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Level -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (11/27/2012 4:55:18 PM)

Ketosis and ketoacidosis are NOT the same thing.

Ketosis is not harmful.




tazzygirl -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (11/27/2012 10:44:00 PM)

What is diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA)?

Diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA) is a life-threatening condition that develops when cells in the body are unable to get the sugar (glucose) they need for energy, such as when you have diabetes and do not take enough insulin. Without insulin, the body cannot use sugar for energy. When the cells do not receive sugar, the body begins to break down fat and muscle for energy. When this happens, ketones, or fatty acids, are produced and enter the bloodstream, causing the chemical imbalance (metabolic acidosis) called diabetic ketoacidosis.

http://diabetes.webmd.com/tc/diabetic-ketoacidosis-dka-topic-overview

How Do Low-Carb Diets Work?
By restricting carbohydrates drastically to a mere fraction of that found in the typical American diet, the body goes into a different metabolic state called ketosis, whereby it burns its own fat for fuel. Normally the body burns carbohydrates for fuel -- this is the main source of fuel for the brain, heart, and many other organs. A person in ketosis is getting energy from ketones, little carbon fragments that are the fuel created by the breakdown of fat stores. When the body is in ketosis, you tend to feel less hungry, and thus you're likely to eat less than you might otherwise. However, ketosis can also cause health problems, such as kidney failure (see below).

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/high-protein-low-carbohydrate-diets

DKA: A Serious Complication of Diabetes

There are many complications that can occur with diabetes. One serious complication is diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA). It most commonly occurs with Type 1 diabetes and is often the first symptom of Type 1, because it can often strike without warning. DKA is caused when the body has little or no insulin to use. The blood glucose level keeps rising to dangerous levels. This is called hyperglycemia.

If the blood glucose continues to increase, the body goes into an "energy crisis" and starts to break down stored fat as an alternate energy source. This produces ketones in the blood as the fat is burned for energy. As the ketone levels rise, the blood becomes more and more acidic.

DKA progresses from hyperglycemia to ketosis, which is a build-up of ketones in the body. Ketosis can lead to acidosis, which is a condition in which the blood has too much acid. When this happens it is known as diabetic ketoacidosis. This is a medical emergency and must be treated immediately by medical professionals.


http://diabetes.about.com/od/preventingcomplications/a/ketoacidosis.htm

Been in DKA myself... its not pleasant.




Level -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (11/28/2012 3:09:25 AM)

Most low carb diets are not "high protein".... and unless you have kidney failure, protein will not harm them, that is a myth.


Unless you are a type 1, you will not go into dka.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2912408/


http://www.examiner.com/article/kidney-function-not-harmed-by-low-carb-high-fat-diets

Of course, we see bodybuilders keeling over with exploding kidneys all the time....




tazzygirl -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (11/28/2012 8:46:43 AM)

Im type 2... and I was in DKA.

Ketoacidosis may happen to anyone with diabetes, though it is rare in people with type 2. Some older people with type 2 diabetes may experience a different serious condition called hyperosmolar nonketotic coma (hi-per-oz-MOE-lar non- key-TOT-ick KO-ma) in which the body tries to get rid of excess sugar by passing it into the urine.

Ketoacidosis usually develops slowly. But when vomiting occurs, this life-threatening condition can develop in a few hours. Early symptoms include the following:

Thirst or a very dry mouth
Frequent urination
High blood glucose (sugar) levels
High levels of ketones in the urine


http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/complications/ketoacidosis-dka.html




Level -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (11/28/2012 10:15:55 AM)

Ok, let me rephrase my statement- you have better odds being born an albino than you do developing dka if youre a type 2 diabetic.

That still is not the same thing as dietary ketosis.




tazzygirl -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (11/28/2012 10:27:34 AM)

No, its not. But your assertion that ketosis is not harmful is not correct. It does depend on the disease processes already in place.




Level -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (11/28/2012 11:25:09 AM)

I stand by what I wrote.




tazzygirl -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (11/28/2012 11:45:57 AM)

quote:

Ketosis is not harmful


Ketosis

High levels of ketosis can be serious

Ketosis is a state the body may find itself in either as a result of raised blood glucose levels or as a part of low carb dieting.

Low levels of ketosis is perfectly normal.

However, high levels of ketosis in the short term can be serious and the long term effects of regular moderate ketosis are only partially known at the moment.


http://www.diabetes.co.uk/blood-glucose/ketosis.html

You will note I never said ketosis is bad. I said it depends on the disease process. Anyone claiming its not harmful is giving bad medical advice without knowing the health or disease processes of the individual they are addressing.




Moonlightmaddnes -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (1/11/2013 7:32:03 PM)

UHG I was just diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Although I am confused as to how I could fail the 3 hour sugar test yet so far even with a high carb meal with rice in it my blood sugar is only 110 when my cut off the high risk OB gave me is 140. I am beginning to wonder if I even have it or if it is just not a good idea for me to consume 100 grams of sugar in less then 5 minutes like they had me drink the morning of my 3 hour glucose test. I kept telling the nurses and the two doctors I now have to see that I don't have that much sugar in a week much less in one sitting.




FindommeJinx -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (1/15/2013 2:00:09 AM)

Hello My angel...
I am diabetic. I control my sugar with the atkins diet. I try to eat more protein than veg at meals as some veg have loads of sugar. Also watch what veg you eat... many contain high carbs and sugars like carrots, peas and beets etc... Are you on metformin yet? Keep a diary of your sugar levels and record what you eat- you will soon pick up a pattern. My biggest problem was lemon juice! I thought I could eat fruit- but I can't it spikes me sugar levels and Is full of carbs. be sure to take multivitamin as deficiencies and stress can also spike sugar levels.




FindommeJinx -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (1/15/2013 2:02:10 AM)

Sorry but I mess say that YOU NEED TO CUT OUT STRESS IN YOUR LIFE. As a diabetic you can't have any stress in your life... IT WILL KILL YOU...




Moonlightmaddnes -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (1/23/2013 8:00:03 PM)

I wish I could do atkins but being pregnant I cant. From what I hear it is more of a no one will tell a pregnant woman it is ok then end up with a baby that was damaged from the diet. Either way I am not taking any chances and I add in bread now and then to eating high protien.

My fasting numbers are creeping up though. URG. I went to my weekly non stress test and told the nurse and she said it was normal at this stage and it will level out in a few weeks.




LeatherBentOne51 -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (1/26/2013 12:00:12 PM)

Im diabetic and I found that eating something with vinegar stops sugar cravings. Dill pickles
are best




LafayetteLady -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (1/26/2013 1:17:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonlightmaddnes

UHG I was just diagnosed with gestational diabetes. Although I am confused as to how I could fail the 3 hour sugar test yet so far even with a high carb meal with rice in it my blood sugar is only 110 when my cut off the high risk OB gave me is 140. I am beginning to wonder if I even have it or if it is just not a good idea for me to consume 100 grams of sugar in less then 5 minutes like they had me drink the morning of my 3 hour glucose test. I kept telling the nurses and the two doctors I now have to see that I don't have that much sugar in a week much less in one sitting.


Diabetes is more than just high blood sugar (although that is the main component). I know I didn't say that right, but let me explain.

You are saying you think they are wrong because of the test they gave you requiring you to consume so much sugar. The results of the test indicate that your body isn't processing it properly and after three hours, your sugar levels were not what they thought they should be.

Follow whatever they tell you to do and keep in mind that women with gestational diabetes are at a higher risk to develop type II later in life.




Moonlightmaddnes -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (1/26/2013 6:36:01 PM)

Thanks. So far I have just kept off the sugar and done fine. The one time I thought I wasn't and was worried but the Dr was not concerned and said it was still within normal blood sugar ranges. So far the most annoying part is going in every week for monitoring. She was non reactive with the last non stress test, so I had to have a long ultra sound. Seeing her on the ultrasound is fun but driving an hour to get there once a week is already getting old. But I only have about 7 weeks left so I will make the best of it knowing it will be over soon.




ScaryKids -> RE: Diabetes - sugar is EVERYWHERE! ARGGH (2/6/2013 6:28:19 PM)

Last year I was told that I was borderline diabetic. I know its not the same as I don't have to be as strict, but my sister recently found out she's type 1 and was grateful for the tips.

My doctor is also a woman, and has been diabetic for 10 years. Here's the shortform of the advice she gave me:
1) Start with fresh foods and work from there. You can look up nutritional info on fresh foods online. Once you learn what's in certain foods, you can learn to put them together in ways you like, as well as getting a good idea of the sorts of things to avoid in general. Also a few weeks away from refined sugars and fruit will start to taste like candy and refined sugars or substitutes will taste like cheap crap.
2) Check for salt. Not just for salt's sake, but because alternative flavorings for things like cheeses, sugar or chocolate often contain salt, especially in processed foods or low-carb foods and really build up after a while. Sodium can also lead to water retention and swelling, which is uncomfortable and that doesn't help when you're trying to be active.
3) Don't use refined sugars as a reward or a goal, but find other complex flavor combinations that you enjoy (see number 1).
4) Splenda is tolerable, but it tastes better if you use it as needed instead of in a whole batch to eat later. For example, I use Splenda to sweeten my iced tea, but just make a pitcher of unsweet and then add the sweetener to the cup I pour to drink. That's really the only time I use it, since as I said, I like fresh best.
5) Drinks are a pointless way to waste what allotments you get during the day. Stick with water, with maybe some lemon for flavoring. It's also cheaper, especially when eating out. We keep a pitcher tap water in the fridge so it's as easy to access and refill as anything else (after it sits in the fridge overnight, it's as good as store bought drinking water and usually loses it's local taste, even if you have a well.)

I know all this seems like generic advice, but it really helped me to break things down and make a list of simple rules to follow.

When I decided to lose 20% of my total weight to help keep my sugar under control, every day I would either choose either cheese or mayonnaise during that day, which cut down amount of opportunities I had to add calories to food I was already eating. Maybe while she works on changing the way she eats, she can make similar choices?

Hope she gets everything under control. I know it's a battle trying to change old habits, but its worth it.

Suzy




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