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MariaB -> RE: School history lessons and propaganda (8/19/2012 10:59:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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We were taught at school that the Italians were the cowards of the war. Unfortunately the word 'coward' is still very much attached to the Italians amongst the older generation in the UK.
Mussolini dragged his country into a disastrous war, which the Italians were unwilling and unready to fight. When Mussolini was sacked imprisoned by the Italian king, Churchill insisted that Italy couldn't become neutral. Italian troops hence became cannon fodder for the Germans.


I think you pretty much nailed it spot on. the Italian army of that era is regarded here in the States as well as a unit from a Benny Hill video. Ironically, Hitler greatly admired Benito early on but later became disillusioned with him. Benito, I read, was extremely jealous of Hitler's early successes and afraid Italy would not get its shares of the spoils, so he ventured an attack into Greece which was a terrible blunder. I understand Italian troops fought bravely against the British and Americans in North Africa, however. But yes, you are right about the lingering impression of their desire and ability to fight. There is a wonderful film about the occupation of Sicily by the Germans. Don't know if it is available in UK but don't see why not. The title is Malena, if you are interested. [:)]


Thanks vincent, I will look out for it.
I was in Kefalonia in Greece when they were filming Captain Corelli's Mandolin. We ventured up into the hills where we found abandoned Greek villages that had bullet holes in many of the walls and still the remains of German graffiti. I don't know if you have read the book? Apart from being a love story it also gives you the feel of what it must of been like for the Italian soldiers trapped there.




PeonForHer -> RE: School history lessons and propaganda (8/19/2012 11:12:36 AM)

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For a gentle introduction with an interesting attempt at retracing their steps to get an impression of the difficulties, you could check out this video (link to first part).


I've just watched that. Thanks for the link. I had no idea our own chubby survival food expert, Ray Mears, was involved!




Aswad -> RE: School history lessons and propaganda (8/19/2012 11:24:54 AM)

The left probably played a part in all the various resistance movements around Europe.

Certainly did up here, although a significant number were average joes that just wanted the bastards out.




vincentML -> RE: School history lessons and propaganda (8/19/2012 11:41:46 AM)

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I was in Kefalonia in Greece when they were filming Captain Corelli's Mandolin. We ventured up into the hills where we found abandoned Greek villages that had bullet holes in many of the walls and still the remains of German graffiti. I don't know if you have read the book? Apart from being a love story it also gives you the feel of what it must of been like for the Italian soldiers trapped there.


Thank you, Maria. I believe that was a film as well. I will look for it in my Netflix [:)]




vincentML -> RE: School history lessons and propaganda (8/19/2012 11:58:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aswad

The left probably played a part in all the various resistance movements around Europe.

Certainly did up here, although a significant number were average joes that just wanted the bastards out.



An interesting new movie which bears upon the issue of authority and resistance was recently released here. Well, the name of the movie is Compliance. It is about "following orders." I haven't seen it yet but it is based on real life incidents and reading the review has set me to wondering what courage it must take to rise up against a monster like armed Nazism and why some just follow orders. Echoes of Hanna Arendt's "banality of evil."




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