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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 6:53:29 PM   
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I did not say she ejected herself from the relationship, but as relationship material. There is a difference. Someone that damaged cannot be fully in the relationship. And as for them being soul mates, I get they are best friends. If they were really soul mates she'd be able to have sex with him and say I love you, since those are things he's expressed he needs, though again that is just my own opinion.

I've suggested the man find his own therapist since I think a counselor is far better suited to advise him about how to proceed so that his interests get looked out for as well. I still stand behind that advice.

I did say this at one point: I wish I had a bright sparkly answer that would help him get what he wants without his wife getting hurt -- I don't.

And I don't think anyone does.



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RE: My Dilemma - 8/23/2012 9:26:33 AM   
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Most of my life, I've chosen to not do things for the sake of other people. I am just not down with the "everyone deserves to be happy no matter what" notion. We don't live in isolation. Everything we do affects the people around us. I can't buy my own happiness if the cost is someone else's misery.






Yes we are sisters.

I would not be happy sacrificing the happiness and well being of the people I love.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/26/2012 2:16:18 PM   
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I can't thank you all enough for your interest and replies. I've talked with my wife quite a bit lately, and here's where we are:

Her thyroid issues are a thing of the past. Evidently, her last checkup with the endocrinologist showed normal function, something she neglected to tell me (she neglects to tell me lots of things). I've told her that I see our daughter's leaving for college and our moving to a new location and smaller house as kind of a nexus between this part of our lives and what is going to happen next. We have been living as best friends and roommates for about fifteen years, and now that the kids are both going to be gone, I'm not sure that that is enough for me. We can still be best friends without living together.

She does not want therapy, and doesn't want to talk about our marriage anymore. She is getting most of what she wants already. I DO tell her I love her, I'm supportive, and I try to keep her needs on MY radar. She said in therapy that she didn't have any complaints, and when pressed, her only big complaint was that when she comes home and vents about work, I try to help her solve problems instead of just listening and validating. So, I think she would be happy to have things just go along as they are.

She is unable to change. I either accept a life with her as she is, with me learning to deal with it using some of the tools and suggestions you've all brought up, or I do something else. But she is clearly not going to be involved in any therapy, and probably isn't going to start talking more, being intimate more, or doing anything else any differently than she is now. Even when I've told her that I find the situation close to intolerable and I KNOW she doesn't want me to go, I just don't think she has it in her to dig deeply into her motivations and issues......it is THAT uncomfortable for her

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/26/2012 3:26:58 PM   
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That's a lot of progress. I'm sorry that your wife is not up to doing more.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/26/2012 4:17:03 PM   
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quote:

her only big complaint was that when she comes home and vents about work, I try to help her solve problems instead of just listening and validating


So stop doing that. That was one of the BIGGEST turn offs to me.


I KNOW how to go about fixing things. I do NOT need my SO to do it for me, but by god, I DO need my SO to just sit back, STFU and listen without trying to jump in and be a white knight.

(my experience/feelings. Might be the same as hers. Since you haven't indicated otherwise, it might behoove you to consider that before you trash the whole marriage to follow your dick)

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/26/2012 4:20:34 PM   
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Men generally communicate differently. Women REPORT. Reporting/venting/describing is just that, and just requires semi active listening, NOT attempts to fix, cure, or problem solve.

There's a reason my friends are women...

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/26/2012 4:27:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: subgtrplayer

I can't thank you all enough for your interest and replies. I've talked with my wife quite a bit lately, and here's where we are:

Her thyroid issues are a thing of the past. Evidently, her last checkup with the endocrinologist showed normal function, something she neglected to tell me (she neglects to tell me lots of things). I've told her that I see our daughter's leaving for college and our moving to a new location and smaller house as kind of a nexus between this part of our lives and what is going to happen next. We have been living as best friends and roommates for about fifteen years, and now that the kids are both going to be gone, I'm not sure that that is enough for me. We can still be best friends without living together.

She does not want therapy, and doesn't want to talk about our marriage anymore. She is getting most of what she wants already. I DO tell her I love her, I'm supportive, and I try to keep her needs on MY radar. She said in therapy that she didn't have any complaints, and when pressed, her only big complaint was that when she comes home and vents about work, I try to help her solve problems instead of just listening and validating. So, I think she would be happy to have things just go along as they are.

She is unable to change. I either accept a life with her as she is, with me learning to deal with it using some of the tools and suggestions you've all brought up, or I do something else. But she is clearly not going to be involved in any therapy, and probably isn't going to start talking more, being intimate more, or doing anything else any differently than she is now. Even when I've told her that I find the situation close to intolerable and I KNOW she doesn't want me to go, I just don't think she has it in her to dig deeply into her motivations and issues......it is THAT uncomfortable for her


Sounds like you have a decision to make then.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/26/2012 5:10:04 PM   
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My question in return.....
quote:

We have been living as best friends and roommates for about fifteen years, and now that the kids are both going to be gone, I'm not sure that that is enough for me. We can still be best friends without living together.
What makes you think she is going to want to remain "best friends" with you if you decide to go your own way? I'll give credit where it's due. She must be a better woman than Me because I wouldn't want anything to do with you if you divorced Me after damn near thirty years unless it was related to one of the (adult) children.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/26/2012 5:10:59 PM   
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We are fierce creatures, LP.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/26/2012 5:13:48 PM   
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My sympathies. It looks like there will be no easy path forward.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/26/2012 9:29:42 PM   
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This is rough. It sounds like you have some hard decisions ahead of you. It's sad that she doesn't want to work on things. Do you think she realises how close she is to losing you?

You didn't mention whether you'd discussed getting your intimacy needs met elsewhere. If I were you I'd be insisting on having that conversation, even if it makes her incredibly uncomfortable. From what I understand, divorce hearings are pretty damn uncomfortable too.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/26/2012 11:15:03 PM   
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Best wishes.

And of course, no envy.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/27/2012 12:43:10 AM   
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what a fool!!!! If you are so submissive, why are you so worried about yourself!!!!!

Stop talking! Put up or Shut up! Go get nude, kneel at her feet and give her a great foot massage.

What women could resist! Pamper her! Treat her like a Domme!! For her sake buy a gag

She would die if she knew you spread her business!

What an ass!

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/27/2012 12:56:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MzBree

what a fool!!!! If you are so submissive, why are you so worried about yourself!!!!!



Because subs and slaves have needs and feelings too. A relationship will only work if BOTH participants are getting their needs met.

quote:


Stop talking! Put up or Shut up!



Right, so just because he's a sub he's not allowed to ask for advice when things go a bit south? Riiiigggghhhtttt...

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Go get nude, kneel at her feet and give her a great foot massage.

What women could resist!



Me! Go near my feet and risk a kick in the nuts. I HATE my feet being interefered with *shudders*

quote:


Pamper her! Treat her like a Domme!!



I'm sure he'd love to do that, if she was acting like a domme. But she's not, which is the problem (if you'd actually read the OP)

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For her sake buy a gag


You're not big on the whole 'communication' thing, are you?

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She would die if she knew you spread her business!



Oh, you know her? No? Okaaaaaaay...

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What an ass!


pot...kettle...

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/27/2012 2:04:39 AM   
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What an ass!


You inconsiderate lazy ignorant self-absorbed cow!

That little rant of yours was by far THE most idiotic and offensive thing I have EVER read on CollarChat... and considering some of the stupidity we get around these parts, that says a lot.

Congratulations, you've just won the dubious honor of being the first person I've ever hidden in my life... and that on the first post I've ever read of yours.

< Message edited by UllrsIshtar -- 8/27/2012 2:06:35 AM >


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RE: My Dilemma - 8/27/2012 2:19:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MzBree

what a fool!!!! If you are so submissive, why are you so worried about yourself!!!!!

Stop talking! Put up or Shut up! Go get nude, kneel at her feet and give her a great foot massage.

What women could resist! Pamper her! Treat her like a Domme!! For her sake buy a gag

She would die if she knew you spread her business!

What an ass!


Wow.

This post is clueless and offensive on so many levels.

If this woman doesn't want to dominate him, and is uncomfortable with intimacy, him turning up naked and gagged to give her a footrub is a horrendous idea. What woman could resist? Well me, for one, it would be a turn off for me, and his wife, for two, who has made it clear this isn't her.

What an ass for having feelings and needs. How dare he seek fulfillment in a relationship when he could just be kneeling naked.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/27/2012 4:36:39 AM   
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quote:

So stop doing that. That was one of the BIGGEST turn offs to me.


I KNOW how to go about fixing things. I do NOT need my SO to do it for me, but by god, I DO need my SO to just sit back, STFU and listen without trying to jump in and be a white knight.


Perhaps the OP attempts to fix her too much?

I know that would turn me off.

You know OP, I have been pretty much on your side in this whole thing, b/c I think everyone deserves someone who can hug them and tell them I love you.

On the other hand, we all deserve someone who can accept us and love us for who we are.

Let me tell you a little (true) story. When himself and I met, he moved over 3000 miles to be close enough to me to date me. Circumstance beyond his control and involving my own screwed up life caused us to throw in our lot together far too early. He never flinched and he never looked back, though he was getting someone who was going through a very messy divorce, and was hugely stressed and drank too much b/c of it. I also smoked cigarettes. He complained about none if it. He accepted me and loved me for who I am. It took years and even a break up, but now things are very different with us. I hardly drink these days, haven't smoked for years, and the ex just isn't in the picture.

None of that would have happened if he had nagged me in any way. He enable me. He empowered me. Not easy to do with the person who does not like to acknowledge I need empowering.



Yes, I think you deserve certain things in your relationship, but so does your wife. At this point, I so wonder what her side sounds like.




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RE: My Dilemma - 8/27/2012 7:29:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MzBree

what a fool!!!! If you are so submissive, why are you so worried about yourself!!!!!

Stop talking! Put up or Shut up! Go get nude, kneel at her feet and give her a great foot massage.

What women could resist! Pamper her! Treat her like a Domme!! For her sake buy a gag

She would die if she knew you spread her business!

What an ass!


Oh bless your poor overworked clueless heart.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/28/2012 6:21:23 PM   
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I read every word. My heart goes out to both halves of the couple. I had a lot of questions about loose ends. At least there was an update, so readers could know what happened. get some resolution on a few things (ie the thryroid). SS post about what the OP would lose--all those detials of everyday life--truly a masterpiece of a post as others noted.

One statement that MzBree dropped into her offensive comments is likely true: if the wife knew--she would likely feel betrayed, horribly humiliated to have her business out on the street with strangers.

It is at least encouraging that the OP recognizes he has a window of opportunity--to consider changes. However, I suspect, there won't be many changes. Why? Because he says, "we will be downsizing and moving to a smaller home and location". He has real estate issues mixed into life choices.

This might be a bit hard to explain with clarity--but if you've owned a home for most of your adult life--your way of thinking--it's not the same
as someone who has rented, or bought a condo. That house, the investment, the identity of "homeowner", it inflences your thinking, your decisions in ways you don't recognize.
You don't realize how much power this Homeownership identity has on you.

Strange as this is going to sound, I think some good advice to the OP would be to offer this idea: What if you sell the house and do NOT move, do NOT buy another smaller home. What is this new location?
Why do you automatically believe that you have to live in a smaller house? You see yourself and your wife in that smaller house, too.

What would your life be like if you moved into a very different atmostphere, different kind of life than you have lived before?
Would that maybe open you up dramatically to beginning a truly new life? You are clinging, unconciously to the safety, security of what you built. You are mixing up "possessions", "home" with desires, emotions, memories.

The comment made repeatedly by Chatte was therapy--NOT for the couple, but for the OP. If he's going to really chose to live a life of his own--on his own, without his wife in the same dwelling, lovingly doing his laundry--then he needs help in figuring out now, how should he structure this life. What are a few reasonable expectations for it? How will the holidays be spent? How will new traditions be forged with the adult children? Will he make a space for his college aged daughter, to spend time with him on her vacations or maybe while she does an internship?

Kink and submission are so low on the list of things the OP needs to consider in making this big life decision. I honestly think that they are the easiest to satisfy...if he does decide to get out. It's the process of getting out, of salvaging as much as possible, of finding the way to feel that he's done his best for his wife, making her a partner in their furure--albeit one that might not include living together. She's so incommunicative, he needs help (such as a therapist, lawyer, accountants might offer) to figure out how to make her comfortable without being tied too tightly to her.

A friend of mine for 40 yrs, had a wife he loved dearly, the soulmate whose problems because so overwhelming that years of couples therapy, medication, coping--nothing could help her be in a place of partnership in their relationship. He finally got a therapist for himself, the lawyer, the accountant. At retirement age--over 60, he did make a new life, with similiar serious health scares (cancer etc) and what looked like a very impossible past track record--he believed he could do it. He went on 60 coffee dates. and finally on number 60, he met a widow who really was his match.. and they
made an life together for their "amazing ten years". It can be done. I saw it happen.

OP: You just probably shouldn't try to get your advice on "how-to" thru Collarme. This is a case for the life choice professionals to advise on -- with the belief that you can have what you want without destroying someone else. You have the skills, money, brains to do it, if you goes about it in the right way with a confident, loving attitude.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/28/2012 9:18:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MzBree

what a fool!!!! If you are so submissive, why are you so worried about yourself!!!!!

Stop talking! Put up or Shut up! Go get nude, kneel at her feet and give her a great foot massage.

What women could resist! Pamper her! Treat her like a Domme!! For her sake buy a gag

She would die if she knew you spread her business!

What an ass!



Cupcake, the ass is you. Shut your trap before you choke on a fly.

Some women HATE having their feet touched. Some women don't WANT to be a domme. I've left relationships over that shit.

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