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Aphrodisiacs! - 11/2/2004 3:57:15 PM   
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There are a number of herbs and such which have been considered aphrodisiacs over the centuries. Most of them turned out to be bunk, but others can be fun and useful. Even if you totally don't need them, no harm in making things that much more intense, eh? So here's my short list of favorites with some comments. Note that various substances considered to be aphrodisiacs work in very different ways, I will try to cover those differences so that you can find something which does just what you need.


Alleged libido boosters

epimedium (yin yang huo, horny goat weed): A few species of this herb genus have been used in China for centuries to boost libido. The mechanism of action appears to be blocking of the hormone cortisol. Dosage is 100-500 milligrams (up to one fairly normal-sized capsule's worth) 1-2 times a day. Since reducing cortisol can also help to curb appetite a bit, this herb has also started appearing as something to help dieters. Cost is around $15-20/lb. if you buy it by the pound and put it in capsules yourself, otherwise expect to pay a lot more. Beware of packets at gas stations and convenience stores which claim to be horny goat weed, in almost all cases you will find a huge list of ingredients, with the actual epimedium content being insignificant. Works for both sexes.

damiana (turnera aphrodisiaca, turnera diffusa): Long used as an aphrodisiac in Mexico. Damiana contains some phytoestrogens, but exact mechanism involved is uncertain. Dosage is 1-2 grams (2-4 capsules) a half hour to an hour before fun time. If you can't get capsules, you can dump a few ounces of it into a bottle of vodka, let soak for a week or two, and strain for use as a beverage. I don't care for the taste of the stuff, but it is traditionally used in a liquer, so apparently some folks don't mind consuming it that way. May interfere with absorbtion of iron, so you probably wouldn't want to use it every day. Uncertain whether it does anything for guys, may only be effective for women. Very inexpensive (I pay $4 for a bottle of 100 capsules, or around $1/oz in bulk).


Substances which encourage erection and engorgement

arginine (l-arginine): The way Viagra and related drugs work is by modifying the body's level of nitric oxide -- increasing the supply by either eliminating things which destroy it, or by increasing things which boost production. The amino acid arginine is the body's primary source of nitric oxide. It's moderate in price, whether you buy it in capsules or bulk. Two to five grams (around 4-10 capsules) will usually produce noticeable effects. Arginine has been through some formal testing, and has done quite well -- a rare thing, most researchers seem more than ready to claim that an aphrodisiac doesn't work, but very few ever claim that any work at all. Ditto for pharmaceutical companies, unless the aphrodisiac is patentable. Some male porn stars use it because ejaculate is very high in arginine, and it allows them to perform more copious "money shots." Although I haven't seen a lot of chemical analysis of women's ejaculate, anecdotal evidence makes me think it does the same for them, too. It should be taken 30-90 minutes in advance of playtime.

ginseng (panax ginseng, panax quinquefolius) An herb which has long been considered a near panacea by the Chinese, as well as having a reputation for being a good aphrodisiac for men. Although Chinese medicine considers specially treated ginseng ("red ginseng") from northern climates to make the best aphrodisiac, western researchers have found comparable levels of most of the active ingredients in both American (panax quinquefolius) and Asian (panax ginseng) varieties. Price ranges from pretty low to extremely high, and while there is a fair amount of variation in quality, I am of the opinion that the premium stuff isn't very cost-effective. I pay $25-$50/lb. for it in bulk, either powdered or whole. Ginseng probably works in various ways, but one thing which is certain is that it encourages the body to convert arginine into nitric oxide. Dosage can be from under a gram to a few grams. Avoid taking if you have consumed vitamin C within the last few hours -- they will cancel each other out. Seems to work for both sexes, although I'd recommend lowish dosages for women. Mildly stimulant in a mental sort of way. Take it 45-90 minutes before you want it to be working. Note that "Siberian ginseng" is not ginseng, it is an unrelated and fairly dissimilar root which is not useful as an aphrodisiac.

ashwagandha (withania somnifera): A sort of Indian equivalent of ginseng, this herb is used for a lot of purposes. Unlike ginseng, it tends to be slightly relaxing, which might be better (than ginseng's stimulation) for some people. Like ginseng, it has components which cause arginine to be converted into nitric oxide. A capsule or two should be helpful, but finding the powdered herb is kind of hard, and the liquid extracts are way overpriced. Works equally well for both sexes.


Other

histidine (l-histidine): This amino acid is involved in the production of histimine, the stuff we all know from hay fever and other allergic reactions. Another process it gets very involved in is orgasm -- many folks find it quite helpful in ensuring that they have more & better orgasms. Males will want to be careful with it, as too much may lead to premature ejaculation (in which case antihistamines or the animo acid methionine may be used to counteract it). With women, you really can't go wrong. It is relatively expensive (about 60 cents a gram in tablet form), and the way it works is pretty dose-dependent, so you might want to start out taking half a gram (500 mg) or so and seeing if that's enough. Up to 2-3 grams can be tried if not. Take it an hour or more before you need it to work, timing isn't critical.

Ginkgo biloba: When taken fairly consistently for at least a couple of months, will improve circulatory function in a number of ways -- including helping erectile disfunction in some preliminary studies. Value for women is uncertain. Dosage is whatever the bottle of capsules says. Has only long-term effects, no point in worrying about timing. Ginkgo will cause some blood thinning, so do not use it if you have anything unusual going on with blood clotting, or if you are considered at risk for stroke.

There are several other herbs & things that might have made it onto this list, but haven't for one reason or another. Most of them didn't make the cut because they muck with hormone levels (e.g. tribulus terrestris, DHEA), have a lot of common and unpleasant side effects (yohimbe), are only effective in vile-tasting liquid extract (muira puama), or something similarly undesirable.

Some aphrodisiacs work in very obvious ways, but the side effects are usually just as obvious, and a lot less pleasant. In the case of yohimbe, a monoamine oxidase inhibitor, the side effects can include sudden and drastic increase in blood pressure, occasionally resulting in debility or death. The aphrodisiacs which I recommended above are more subtle, but shouldn't have any unpleasant side effects or negative impact on health.

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RE: Aphrodisiacs! - 11/2/2004 4:14:50 PM   
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NoCal,
Wonderful post. i must admit i have always been curious about whether any of these work.

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RE: Aphrodisiacs! - 11/2/2004 5:48:28 PM   
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Thank you for posting this. Are these available in normal health food stores? I'm familiar with ginseng and ginkgo biloba, but the others are new to me.

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RE: Aphrodisiacs! - 11/3/2004 12:16:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NoCalOwner

epimedium (yin yang huo, horny goat weed): A few species of this herb genus have been used in China for centuries to boost libido. The mechanism of action appears to be blocking of the hormone cortisol.


So, people with Addison's are perpetually horny? Well that explains things! Now I have a valid medical reason for it. :)

(No, I don't have Addison's Disease, but my cortisol levels are exceedingly low, even though I take predinsone daily which artificially elevates the test results.)

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RE: Aphrodisiacs! - 11/3/2004 7:28:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: proudsub
Are these available in normal health food stores?


The largest of my local health food stores is reasonably big for a town of 10,000, but is otherwise unexceptional, so let's assume that you can find a comparable selection in your area. You'd be able to get:
l-arginine capsules
l-histidine tablets
damiana capsules
horny goat weed capsules (Overpriced, I bought a pound -- 1000 capsules worth -- over the internet for the same price as 100 prepared capsules.)
ginkgo biloba - several forms
ginseng - quite a number of forms
ashwagandha - expensive extracts, no herb capsules or bulk herb

So between your local health food store and perhaps one website, you should be able to get anything discussed, and at a fair price.

For those interested in the amino acids, there is an inexpensive alternative which some might find appealing -- eating seeds. A number of seeds are high in arginine, and some are also high in histidine. Pumpkin seeds are great for arginine (plus lots of vitamin E, and omega 6 fatty acids if they're raw), and have a very good reputation for maintaining male reproductive health in a number of ways. Sunflower seeds also have arginine, and even more vitamin E, but are highest of all foods in histidine, so probably a better choice for females. What I pay for one 500 mg histidine tablet ($0.30) is the same as I pay for 1.5 oz of either kind of seed in bulk. 1.5 oz of pumpkin seeds provides 2 grams of arginine and 250 mg of histidine, 1.5 oz of sunflower seeds gives 1.1 grams of arginine and 300 mg of histidine. So if you enjoy eating seeds more than taking pills, or like the idea of feeding seeds to your partner(s), that route might be worth considering.

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RE: Aphrodisiacs! - 11/3/2004 8:16:52 AM   
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For those interested in the amino acids, there is an inexpensive alternative which some might find appealing -- eating seeds.


Well that explains a lot, we both eat a lot of seeds. Hubby eats sunflower seed and i eat pumpkin seeds. I also eat a lot of sesame seeds, do they do anything? We get our seeds at Trader Joes at very good prices.

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RE: Aphrodisiacs! - 11/8/2004 12:15:39 PM   
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Sesame seeds do have a lot of arginine relative to the other amino acids in them, but because sesame seeds are just about exactly 50% fat, I didn't put them on the list. The fats are healthy ones, particularly if the seeds are raw, and sesame has lots of vitamin E. Just the same, at 2.6% arginine, one would have to eat a cup full (144 grams) to get 3.8 grams of arginine, and that'd be around 825 calories. Pumpkin seeds are 4% arginine, and a bit lower in fat content, so you could get the same 3.8 grams of arginine by eating 95 grams of pumpkin seeds, which would be 500 or so calories.

Pumpkin seeds are used in Germany to ward off prostate problems in men, at a dose of 1-2 tablespoons a day, hopefully your hubby eats some too. Saw palmetto works by reducing production of a form of testosterone which is responsible for hair loss and prostate growth (DHT), but it can drop libido in doing so. Pumpkin seeds are a good thing for guys who like keeping their libido big but their prostate small.

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RE: Aphrodisiacs! - 11/8/2004 12:55:57 PM   
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Very interesting post from a pro-aphrodisiac perspective. Thanks for the info. Whenever I want to examine an issue that is relatively unknown to me, I try to get both sides of the story. I have casually heard of occassional health risks with certain types of aphrodisiacs. Does anyone know a good web site that provides a "rebuttal" preferably from a scientific source versus a rumor mill? (or a validation from a reputable source?)

P.S. I didn't mean to imply the author wasn't reputable but hopefully you understand what I mean and don't take it the wrong way.

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RE: Aphrodisiacs! - 11/8/2004 1:51:13 PM   
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Aside from things like "Spanish Fly," which doesn't really qualify as an aphrodisiac and is extremely unsafe, the only aphrodisiac that I know of with a bad rep is yohimbine, or it's OTC equivalent, yohimbe extract. It *is* effective -- before Viagra appeared on the market, it was the only thing approved by the FDA for dealing with male sexual dysfunction. The problem is the side effects. Yohimbine is a short-term monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI), and MAOIs are about the worst thing in the world in terms of their interaction with other substances -- like OTC cold/sinus medicines, virtually all antidepressants, and even a number of foods. The classical bad reaction is for blood pressure to temporarily skyrocket. Other side effects (which may or may not be related to the MAOI side of yohimbine) include headaches, muscle cramps, fast heartbeat, dizziness, and restlessness. So even if you can avoid having it react with anything else you consume, it may not be to your liking. I tried the stuff out, and found that at doses of 5-8 mg. it would give me a woody at the drop of a hat, and also help to keep me from tiring, so that I could spend an hour or more doing something about it. But then I'd be lying awake in bed, restless with just enough muscle cramps that I'd never quite find a position that I could fall asleep in. You can drop the dosage down to 2-3 mg. and have no side effects, but the positive effects will also be diminished.

Other than that, I can't really think of much to discuss. You can do things to pump up your hormones, but that's not necessarily a lot safer than using steroids, may do unwanted things like rendering birth control ineffective, and the artificial boost is always followed by a natural letdown.

What aphrodisiacs have you heard badmouthed? I'd be happy to provide documentation for anything discussed here, once the question's narrowed down a bit.

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