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Yachtie -> Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 11:55:21 AM)

***UPDATE III: Yahoo just announced they have terminated Chalian effective immediately.

***UPDATE II: Romney camp comments: "It hasn’t even been 24 hours after the primetime speech line up at the Republican National Convention last night, and you can already tell how successful and powerful of a night it really was by the complete and utter meltdown the mainstream media is experiencing today. ... Most shockingly, Yahoo! Washington Bureau Chief David Chalian got caught on an ABC webcast saying that Mitt Romney would be “happy to have a party when black people drown.”

***UPDATE: ABC News reached out to Breitbart News to name the man heard mocking the Romneys during this ABC News livecast: David Chalian (pictured) of Yahoo! News. Chalian is a former political director with ABC News, but according to ABC News has no association with the network now. The headline has been changed to reflect this update, as has the story itself.


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SternSkipper -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 12:08:57 PM)

Where's the update that implies Yahoo is Ummmm ... NEWS?
By the way... does this mean the party up in Wolfeboro is cancelled?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 12:14:28 PM)

," and you can already tell how successful and powerful of a night it really was by the complete and utter meltdown the mainstream media is experiencing today. ."

Sooooooo, one dude acting like an utter fuckwit = a mainstream media meltdown.

Thank you, I never realized that.




SternSkipper -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 12:40:39 PM)

quote:

," and you can already tell how successful and powerful of a night it really was by the complete and utter meltdown the mainstream media is experiencing today. ."

Sooooooo, one dude acting like an utter fuckwit = a mainstream media meltdown.

Thank you, I never realized that.


We should listen to the OP more often ... rumor has it he had a better public school education than we did.




Aylee -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 1:48:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

," and you can already tell how successful and powerful of a night it really was by the complete and utter meltdown the mainstream media is experiencing today. ."

Sooooooo, one dude acting like an utter fuckwit = a mainstream media meltdown.

Thank you, I never realized that.


NBC is airbrushing out the black speakers as well. On their video page you would think that Mia Love and Artur Davis never spoke.

Then there is Juan Williams comment about Ann Romney being a "corporate wife." Racist code for, "rich white woman."

Then their is Harold Meyerson who thinks that "work-to-welfare" automatically means black people. WTF? How racist is it to assume that?


So yeah. . . I think that the liberal media is showing its racist true colors. Not a good thing for them.




tazzygirl -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 2:54:32 PM)

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Then there is Juan Williams comment about Ann Romney being a "corporate wife." Racist code for, "rich white woman."

Then their is Harold Meyerson who thinks that "work-to-welfare" automatically means black people. WTF? How racist is it to assume that?


Whose code for rich white woman?

And a citation for both claims would be appreciated.




Musicmystery -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 2:57:20 PM)

So, synopsis of the latest rash of threads....

We've moved past...
"You're a poopy head!"
"No, YOU're a poopy head!"
"Nuh-uh, YOU're a poopy head!"

to ...
"You're a racist poopy head!"
"No, YOU're a racist poopy head!"
"Nuh-uh, YOU're a racist poopy head!"

Nice. Socially relevant. Contemporary.




tazzygirl -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 2:59:47 PM)

Certainly seems that way.




Lucylastic -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 3:06:20 PM)

fox isnt liberal.....williams isnt liberal
it MUST be racist cos a black guy said Corporate wife???
Fuck me sideways[:'(]
Heres what he said..
“The stories she told about struggles, it’s hard for me to believe,” said Mr. Williams in the midst of a Fox panel discussion. “She’s a very rich woman. I know that and America knows that.”

Asked what he meant by calling the wife of the GOP nominee “corporate,” Williams continued by saying she “looks like a woman whose husband takes care of her, and she’s been very lucky and blessed in this life. She’s not speaking for the tremendous number of single women, or married women, or separated. She did not convince me that, ‘You know what, I understand the struggles of American women in general.’ ”
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/0829/Did-Juan-Williams-go-too-far-by-slamming-Ann-Romney-as-corporate-wife
NOT a liberal media.....




Aylee -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 3:13:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

Then there is Juan Williams comment about Ann Romney being a "corporate wife." Racist code for, "rich white woman."

Then their is Harold Meyerson who thinks that "work-to-welfare" automatically means black people. WTF? How racist is it to assume that?


Whose code for rich white woman?

And a citation for both claims would be appreciated.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/harold-meyerson-in-modern-gop-the-old-south-returns/2012/08/28/4d673034-f144-11e1-892d-bc92fee603a7_story.html
quote:

Consider the Romney campaign’s ads falsely attacking President Obama for gutting welfare reform. “Under Obama’s plan, you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job,” proclaims one such commercial. “They just send you a welfare check.” Obama’s plan, as several media fact-checking monitors have noted, does nothing of the sort. The spot clearly seeks to resurrect the kind of resentment of African Americans that the GOP exploited back in the days when welfare was a major program. The Romney campaign has evidently concluded, since virtually its entire pool of potential voters is white, that it must rouse the sometime voters among them with such expedients — which explains why it is running more of these ads than any others.


As for Juan Willams: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs0xrIbrvjM





DomKen -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 3:17:41 PM)

Juan Williams is FNC's token minority. Every legit news service has already fired him. Trying to blame him on the left is stupid.




tazzygirl -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 3:35:25 PM)

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As for Juan Willams: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs0xrIbrvjM


The word "white" was never spoken.

Care to try again, expecially in light of Lucy's post, which is word for word what your clip says?

quote:

Consider the Romney campaign’s ads falsely attacking President Obama for gutting welfare reform. “Under Obama’s plan, you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job,” proclaims one such commercial. “They just send you a welfare check.” Obama’s plan, as several media fact-checking monitors have noted, does nothing of the sort. The spot clearly seeks to resurrect the kind of resentment of African Americans that the GOP exploited back in the days when welfare was a major program. The Romney campaign has evidently concluded, since virtually its entire pool of potential voters is white, that it must rouse the sometime voters among them with such expedients — which explains why it is running more of these ads than any others.


Do you deny that many see welfare as having a black face? Wasnt that what the bolded part refers too? You do recall those days, yes?

quote:

"Welfare queen"
This stereotype has longevity. Studies show that the welfare queen idea has roots in both race and gender. Franklin Gilliam, the author of a public perception experiment on welfare, concludes that:
While poor women of all races get blamed for their impoverished condition, African-American women are seen to commit the most egregious violations of American values. This story line taps into stereotypes about both women (uncontrolled sexuality) and African-Americans (laziness).

Studies show that the public dramatically overestimates the number of African-Americans in poverty, with the cause of this attributed to media trends and its portrayal of poverty.[15]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_African_Americans_in_the_United_States#.22Welfare_queen.22

From the 2000 book, which is the source for above...

quote:

Tackling one of the most volatile issues in contemporary politics, Martin Gilens's work punctures myths and misconceptions about welfare policy, public opinion, and the role of the media in both. Why Americans Hate Welfare shows that the public's views on welfare are a complex mixture of cynicism and compassion; misinformed and racially charged, they nevertheless reflect both a distrust of welfare recipients and a desire to do more to help the "deserving" poor.


http://www.amazon.com/Why-Americans-Hate-Welfare-Communication/dp/0226293653

A review of that book...

quote:

Based on his empirical analysis, Gilens concludes, as the title suggests, that negative feelings about welfare are related to the perception of welfare as a program for African Americans and the misrepresentation in
the media of most welfare recipients as black and the undeserving poor. This book informs researchers in a variety of fields including public policy, political science, mass communications, social welfare and race relations.


http://www.asu.edu/mpa/Bartels.pdf

quote:

There is a photograph that has become inextricably linked to the narrative concerning the Great Depression; a woman (white woman) sits staring into the distance with two (of her seven) children huddled around her; her face looks weathered, yet proud. This became the face of poverty during the Depression and it persists to this day.

It created a narrative regarding the (white) poor that gave them a sense of dignity and nobility in the midst of their economic deprivation; overwhelmed by circumstances beyond their control. Contrast that image with that of the poor of color.

Reagan used the stereotype of the black “welfare queen” to great advantage. Over a period of about five years, Reagan told the story of the “Chicago welfare queen” who had 80 names, 30 addresses, 12 Social Security cards and collected benefits from “four nonexistent husbands,” bilking the government out of “over $150,000.”

Even after certain members of the press pointed out that no such individual existed, he persisted in telling the story. Ronald Reagan, considered the “great communicator,” was able to make the racist stereotype stick and thereby cementing the already-hardcore prejudices regarding the urban poor.

Let’s face it, when one is asked to picture a welfare recipient they usually see a black woman with too many children using her EBT card in the grocery store line (even though statistically there is no difference between the birth rates of families who need welfare and those who do not). Maybe they envision a black person lacking the desire to work hard enough to get out of poverty.


Now, can you really say his assumption isnt based on reality?




Aylee -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 3:46:15 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

As for Juan Willams: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs0xrIbrvjM


The word "white" was never spoken.

Care to try again, expecially in light of Lucy's post, which is word for word what your clip says?

No. I said that it was his Racist code for, "rich white woman."

Are you suggesting that Mrs Romney is not white?

quote:

Now, can you really say his assumption isnt based on reality?


For him to make the assumption that welfare = black defiantly shows HIS racial prejudice. I know that I do not automatically associate the two. Do you?




tazzygirl -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 3:48:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

As for Juan Willams: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs0xrIbrvjM


The word "white" was never spoken.

Care to try again, expecially in light of Lucy's post, which is word for word what your clip says?

No. I said that it was his Racist code for, "rich white woman."

Are you suggesting that Mrs Romney is not white?

quote:

Now, can you really say his assumption isnt based on reality?


For him to make the assumption that welfare = black defiantly shows HIS racial prejudice. I know that I do not automatically associate the two. Do you?

quote:

No. I said that it was his Racist code for, "rich white woman."

Are you suggesting that Mrs Romney is not white?


Are you suggesting all rich women are white?

quote:

For him to make the assumption that welfare = black defiantly shows HIS racial prejudice. I know that I do not automatically associate the two. Do you?


I do not. I do know many who do.




tazzygirl -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 3:51:18 PM)

You are reading this through your own stereotypes.

A black man comments on a white woman, and you jumped to the conclusion that he is making a racist comment.

His words do not prove your point.




TheHeretic -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 6:40:43 PM)

Wow.  I hadn't heard about the Chalian thing at all.  I sorta doubt we'll hear much more about it later, either, judging from this report in the Los Angeles Times .

Just an innocent joke, when he thought the mike was off, because, 'hey, after all, it's completely ok for lifelong professional journalists to be completely open among colleagues about such a vile viewpoint.

"(Republicans are, or Romney is - depending on the transciption)

happy to have a party with black people drowning "

Well, yeah.  Everybody knows that, right?  Ha-ha-ha. 

Yobama News.  And those on the left want to get pissy about Fox?

Mused had a hilarious question to pose about editors in modern media, the other day.  Yeah, Muse, they have editors.  This guy.





subrob1967 -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 6:51:42 PM)

I guess drowning in unemployment and debt don't count to this jackass... We'll see him anchoring a show on MSPMS soon.




Musicmystery -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 6:53:07 PM)

quote:

This guy.


Not any more.




Lucylastic -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 7:02:17 PM)

If it had been an innocent "joke" they wouldnt have fired him, as YACHTIE stated in the OP.





tazzygirl -> RE: Of Racism and the Media (8/29/2012 7:17:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Wow.  I hadn't heard about the Chalian thing at all.  I sorta doubt we'll hear much more about it later, either, judging from this report in the Los Angeles Times .

Just an innocent joke, when he thought the mike was off, because, 'hey, after all, it's completely ok for lifelong professional journalists to be completely open among colleagues about such a vile viewpoint.

"(Republicans are, or Romney is - depending on the transciption)

happy to have a party with black people drowning "

Well, yeah.  Everybody knows that, right?  Ha-ha-ha. 

Yobama News.  And those on the left want to get pissy about Fox?

Mused had a hilarious question to pose about editors in modern media, the other day.  Yeah, Muse, they have editors.  This guy.




hmmmm.. Having trouble finding sources?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/08/yahoo-news-fires-david-chalian-source-133662.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/yahoos-chalian-fired-for-inexcusable-remark/2012/08/29/06780364-f221-11e1-adc6-87dfa8eff430_blog.html

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/08/29/Yahoo-newsman-fired-for-Romney-remark/UPI-38131346292431/

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/29/us-usa-campaign-yahoo-idINBRE87S1F320120829





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