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TheHeretic -> Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 9:27:38 AM)
In 1992, I volunteered with Bill Clinton's campaign. I knocked on doors, hauled shit around, and was somebody they could call at the last minute. If I left fingertip bruises on the ankles of a few other volunteers with cute asses, well, I had a feeling then that Bill wouldn't mind, and history has proved me right on that. I even bit my tongue very hard when he put Al Gore, a politician I personally loathe only behind Nixon, on the ticket, and kept working to get him elected. Times and life had changed by '96. I just voted for him. When the Lewinsky thing broke, I had a little fun with it, called a spade a spade, and figured that a little slap on the wrist was the best way to handle the lying under oath thing. I'm sometimes told this makes me a Clinton hater. [8\|] Bill Clinton will be speaking at the DNC this week, and that's the speech I find myself most looking forward to. I've seen a report that Bill will be making the nomination speech, immediately before the President takes the podium, but can't find the final schedule of speakers to confirm that yet. He may just take his moment in the spotlight, feel that old energy briefly, go word for word off the script he's given, and step back meekly for the "real" star of the show. Or he might steal the show. He could even toss a monkeywrench if so inclined. Will Bill behave?

Musicmystery -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 9:40:38 AM)
Bill is popular, well-spoken (after years of infamously going on and on and on and on), and loved the job of President. He will relish every moment of it, and he will whip up enthusiasm. Four years ago, he would have been a liability, stealing the show. Now, he's an asset, when a little enthusiasm would be quite welcome. And he doesn't want to see Mitt win either. This would present a problem now only if the President were not up to following Bill. But Obama is also well-spoken and still popular with his base. I too am looking forward to the speech. It's likely to be an interesting event.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 9:43:22 AM)
Bill always behaves; It's just that sometimes, he behaves badly. Peace and comfort, Michael

subrob1967 -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 10:00:18 AM)
At the end of the day Clinton is a rock solid democrat. He will do what he thinks best for the party, and not necessarily the candidate. Will he behave and toe the party line? I believe so, if only for the sake of Hillary, and his dreams of returning to the White House. Bill will be charming, witty, and blow the roof off the convention... But I also believe he'll do it with a twinkle in his eye, a sly "you know you love me" grin, and in his heart knows he'll be selling the party, and not Obama.

TheHeretic -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 10:11:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Bill always behaves; It's just that sometimes, he behaves badly. QFT [:D]

Restyles -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 10:49:00 AM)
"The Amateur", No 5 on the NYTBSL, tells you what the Clintons wish they could say in public or have already said in public about Obama.

Musicmystery -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 10:53:53 AM)
But they're not going to prefer President Mitt.

Restyles -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 10:57:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery But they're not going to prefer President Mitt. Of course not, a successful GOP presidency is far more damaging to Hillary's 2016 chances than another four years of Democrat disasters, because they can still count on their base of blind idealouges and freeloaders. (Look in the mirror). The truth is what they say behind closed doors.

Musicmystery -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 11:06:37 AM)
What's the point of entering the discussion if you're just going to make up people's positions for them? I've long been clear about my thoughts of Obama as Bush Light -- hardly a blind ideologue, as you're intent on passing out labels. Help yourself to one. But it beats the shit out of Bush on Steroids. MORE military spending and MORE unfunded tax cuts are the only parts of his "plan" Mitt is very clear about (beyond ending ACA on Day One, which isn't really possible). MORE of what got us here. The Romney/Ryan plan.

Restyles -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 12:36:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery What's the point of entering the discussion if you're just going to make up people's positions for them? I've long been clear about my thoughts of Obama as Bush Light -- hardly a blind ideologue, as you're intent on passing out labels. Help yourself to one. But it beats the shit out of Bush on Steroids. MORE military spending and MORE unfunded tax cuts are the only parts of his "plan" Mitt is very clear about (beyond ending ACA on Day One, which isn't really possible). MORE of what got us here. The Romney/Ryan plan. All I know of you is this thread and one other. Im not making anything up that isnt plain to see in them. Including spouting the bullshit lib bumper sticker that Bush's policies are "what got us here".

Hillwilliam -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 12:39:18 PM)
Bill was probably the last politician of either stripe who was willing to work with the other guys and not pull this "My way or the highway" crap.

Restyles -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 1:05:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Bill was probably the last politician of either stripe who was willing to work with the other guys and not pull this "My way or the highway" crap. I dont think he compromised any more than Bush 2, and of course, he had no choice unless he wanted to wind up an empty chair.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 1:48:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Restyles quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Bill was probably the last politician of either stripe who was willing to work with the other guys and not pull this "My way or the highway" crap. I dont think he compromised any more than Bush 2, and of course, he had no choice unless he wanted to wind up an empty chair. What did Dubya compromise on?

DaddySatyr -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 1:54:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Bill was probably the last politician of either stripe who was willing to work with the other guys and not pull this "My way or the highway" crap. Actually, I believe that he had a very special gift for persuading people. I don't think he compromised, very much. I think he was a master at getting people to do things his way (even if they really didn't believe it to be the right way). In the old neighborhood, we used to call people like him a "schmoozer". My view is that he was expert at it. Peace and comfort, Michael

Winterapple -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 1:57:03 PM)
The commercial he's done for Obama shows fully he's going to be a team player. He bit the bullet with his 2008 speech and this one will be even better. Whatever people want to think about the Clintons when push comes to shove they do the right thing. The right thing for the country. You may not agree with their ideas of what is best for the country but they are very capable and consistently choose service to the country over their personal ambitions. The Clintons know they aren't going back to the White House. She isn't going to run in 2016. So there should be no expectations that Bill will pull a Rubio and use his speech as an opening pitch for 2016. I've seen Clinton (in person) give speeches before, during and after his presidency. They were all good speeches and as good as he is on tv he's even better in person. He has gifts that no other president since FDR and to a certain extent Reagan has had. It's hard to qualify it. But he comes across as genuinely interested in other people, warm and empathetic. He's a people person. Comfortable in his own skin and most importantly comfortable with all sorts of people. Small town crowd friendly small town Bill, intellectual crowd Rhode scholar brainy Bill, celebrity crowd star Bill. He is a rascal in many ways but people for the most part forgive him. In many ways he's strengthened by his flaws because they add to his humaness. He's a very intelligent man but not lofty like Obama or Carter can be. He casts a big shadow and so does she. Their places in history are set. They can afford to do the right thing and they have and will continue to do so.

Restyles -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 2:51:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Restyles quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Bill was probably the last politician of either stripe who was willing to work with the other guys and not pull this "My way or the highway" crap. I dont think he compromised any more than Bush 2, and of course, he had no choice unless he wanted to wind up an empty chair. What did Dubya compromise on? Immigration, MMA, FISA, FNMA, HUD regulation,

Yachtie -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 3:04:27 PM)
fr What's Bill going to talk about at the DNC. I'm hoping Hope and Change. Bill: I'm here to talk about Hope and Change. I know about hope and change. President Obama knows about hope and change too. My hope was Monica would have changed and washed that dress. I'm still trying to figure out what his is. Is. What's that mean, is? But here we are at the Democratic National Convention. The DnC. I always thought that was some medical procedure. No matter. Here we are. Almost four years after Bush. Can I say Bush on national television?

Winterapple -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 3:26:16 PM)
Amongst Bill's many talents is knowing what to say and how to say it. There's nothing one note about him. I don't even think his detractors accuse him of that. Unless it's a condition they suffer from.

Musicmystery -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 3:28:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Restyles quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery What's the point of entering the discussion if you're just going to make up people's positions for them? I've long been clear about my thoughts of Obama as Bush Light -- hardly a blind ideologue, as you're intent on passing out labels. Help yourself to one. But it beats the shit out of Bush on Steroids. MORE military spending and MORE unfunded tax cuts are the only parts of his "plan" Mitt is very clear about (beyond ending ACA on Day One, which isn't really possible). MORE of what got us here. The Romney/Ryan plan. All I know of you is this thread and one other. Im not making anything up that isnt plain to see in them. Including spouting the bullshit lib bumper sticker that Bush's policies are "what got us here". Then we've established that you have no idea what you're talking about---and you don't really want any idea either.

Musicmystery -> RE: Wild Bill at the DNC (9/2/2012 3:30:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Bill was probably the last politician of either stripe who was willing to work with the other guys and not pull this "My way or the highway" crap. Agreed.

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