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ashjor911 -> Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/4/2012 10:11:33 AM)
I really dont care about bin laden or his death .. but i wanna know what this man is going to say.. however the book is .. (well it was going to start selling at 04-09-2012 in US) it will take me 2-3 days to find it & download it.. What do you think, he would say in his book?

ashjor911 -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/10/2012 8:33:21 AM)
for those who want to read the book [image]http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4559/87012109.jpg[/image] here its : download from http://www.mediafire.com/?15qxz79p6i2os

OsideGirl -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/10/2012 8:37:30 AM)
We have a friend that is an ex-seal. He feels this book was massively inappropriate.

ashjor911 -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/10/2012 8:53:24 AM)
i have to print it.. & then read it.. & sence my English is not that good in reading that would take me 2 weeks before i respond

Winterapple -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/10/2012 9:01:48 AM)
So do I. The other Seals haven't profited from the experience. It's important to remember it's only his take on things. He say's it isn't poltically motivated but the timing of the release makes that very questionable. But mostly I think the whole thing lacks dignity and he is cheapening himself and his service for monetary gain. My stepdad is retired military and is very critical about the guy choosing to do this.

OsideGirl -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/10/2012 9:55:05 AM)
He doesn't have an issue with the subject or even making money from it. Our friends big contention is that he didn't follow chain of command or procedure, which basically violates their code of ethics. He said it lacks honor.

kdsub -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/10/2012 9:55:26 AM)
Did you watch the 60 minutes story...If you did you would know that most of the profits from this book are going to military support charities. I found the interview and story completely non-political and even though I don’t think he should have published his book without the proper authority I am glad he did it. He says, don’t know if it is true, that the other seals in the operation are not upset with him releasing his story. He further says he is not giving away secret tactics, equipment, and names just his story as he saw it. Although his story differs from the official accounts it is not so different as to imply cover-ups in any way. It is just a point of view by a participant who may not be privy to all the information and strategy available. Personally I am proud of this man and his courage along with his cohorts on this difficult mission. To me the most telling information he released was that this was NOT a kill mission even if it did turn out that way. This revelation is a relief and affirms my belief in that the basic notion of justice, as apposed to retribution, is paramount in our leaders and armed forces. Butch

ashjor911 -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/10/2012 10:24:21 AM)
I dont think that he is cheapening himself .. I mean if you have a story that would make a book & that book would make you a very very rich man... that is cheap?... its an invesment.. in my mind... plus: if the US say that they killed binladen ... why is this guy stiped from his freedom of speach? i think he waited a year. +plus he actually annaouced before the book was for sale.. quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl He said it lacks honor. I dont think that word worth its space in the line anymore.. not here.. not on the moon.. I think if the book... (the story) was ... movie or a documantry from National Geographic on the same matter.. i dont think that it would be an issue. the National Geographic have a very larg number of (classified operations) veiwed on TV ... one of them was about the (Iran hostage`s in the 70) & how the us made that operations in details.... the funny thing was ... the show itself was translated to persian!!

OsideGirl -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/10/2012 12:03:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ashjor911 plus: if the US say that they killed binladen ... why is this guy stiped from his freedom of speach? i think he waited a year. +plus he actually annaouced before the book was for sale.. There are specific protocols for writing this type of book. Period. He did not follow that protocol. Period. Next, I think you're forgetting that when you join the military, you voluntarily give up the right to free speech. You agree to a code of conduct when you sign on the dotted line and that includes what you can say in published form.

Winterapple -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/10/2012 12:44:15 PM)
This is my stepdad's primary issue with it as well. And he would have preferred it to be a group effort with other points of view. I'm glad money is going to mitary charities but not all of it is and I still find it basically a distasteful thing to do. Any of the other Seals could have done what he's chosen to do but refrained.

ashjor911 -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/10/2012 12:55:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl There are specific protocols for writing this type of book. Period. He did not follow that protocol. Period. Next, I think you're forgetting that when you join the military, you voluntarily give up the right to free speech. You agree to a code of conduct when you sign on the dotted line and that includes what you can say in published form. since he left navy = (military) now he is an x-navy.. which that code of conduct or even that protocol. Period would not apply to his case. quote: Mark Owen recently left the Navy's elite counterterrorism unit, SEAL Team 6. http://nation.foxnews.com/usama-bin-laden/2012/09/10/navy-seal-who-smoked-bin-laden-recounts-raid-gripping-detail

OsideGirl -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/10/2012 1:46:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ashjor911 quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl There are specific protocols for writing this type of book. Period. He did not follow that protocol. Period. Next, I think you're forgetting that when you join the military, you voluntarily give up the right to free speech. You agree to a code of conduct when you sign on the dotted line and that includes what you can say in published form. since he left navy = (military) now he is an x-navy.. which that code of conduct or even that protocol. Period would not apply to his case. Yeah, actually it does, because that agreement covers his time in the SEALS, which is what he wrote about. High level military/FBI/CIA have to sign a disclosure that says "If you write a book, you have to let us see it first". Just because he's out of the Navy does mean that that agreement goes away.

Winterapple -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/11/2012 5:12:53 AM)
Just saw an interview with Panetta who condemned the book. He thinks a book like this that reveals sensitive information puts future operations and mitary at risk. He thinks the guy has put himself and other members of the team in jeopardy for writing the book. There's some speculation the guy could be prosecuted for writing the book.

Winterapple -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/11/2012 5:20:51 AM)
Panetta also made the case for not ignoring protocol. Namely, it has the potential to put lives at risk and can be a security threat. When you're asking men and women to risk their lives in operations such as this the promise of the cloak of privacy is important.

TNDommeK -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/11/2012 12:22:32 PM)
I would think something this big would have already been under heavy observation already, before published. I could be wrong. Also I thought the same thing that OSide said, as far as the writing about or speaking about things that go down over seas pertaining to gov. issues.

Winterapple -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/11/2012 12:45:57 PM)
I don't know at what point his superiors, the Pentagon, etc got wind of the book. But they're condemning it now and the talk about prosecuting is to set an example for others who are tempted to ignore protocol. The security of future missions and putting other service peoples lives at risk are the biggest concerns surrounding the book and any future books a service member might write about another mission.

OsideGirl -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/11/2012 1:18:05 PM)
My understanding is that it was already being printed when the authorities found out. The manuscript was never submitted for vetting prior to publishing, which is what part of the big stink is about.

hlen5 -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/11/2012 1:37:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl We have a friend that is an ex-seal. He feels this book was massively inappropriate. Are they ever EX- Seals?

OsideGirl -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/11/2012 2:10:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl We have a friend that is an ex-seal. He feels this book was massively inappropriate. Are they ever EX- Seals? That's very true. They catch me on that all the time. Even our retired Marines say that.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Mark Owen (no easy day) (9/11/2012 6:17:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Did you watch the 60 minutes story...If you did you would know that most of the profits from this book are going to military support charities. I found the interview and story completely non-political and even though I don’t think he should have published his book without the proper authority I am glad he did it. He says, don’t know if it is true, that the other seals in the operation are not upset with him releasing his story. He further says he is not giving away secret tactics, equipment, and names just his story as he saw it. Although his story differs from the official accounts it is not so different as to imply cover-ups in any way. It is just a point of view by a participant who may not be privy to all the information and strategy available. Personally I am proud of this man and his courage along with his cohorts on this difficult mission. To me the most telling information he released was that this was NOT a kill mission even if it did turn out that way. This revelation is a relief and affirms my belief in that the basic notion of justice, as apposed to retribution, is paramount in our leaders and armed forces. Butch Don't know if this guy's story is true or not, but the thing I found hilarious was....60 minutes statement "we have kept this mans name secret to protect his anonymity"....and then proceeded to show his face, full body, everything, in full Technicolor

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