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Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/3/2004 11:53:26 AM   
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Hello there, Do we live in a More Male Dominate Society?
Or a Female Dominate Society?

Woman really like to Show there
Dominance when it comes to this.

I think Men Just Feel that they are and have always been the Dominate ones.

My whole family was Dominate, but I've always been submissive. It equaled out in my Family 2 Dominate Woman, and 2 Dominate men~

Sincerely, eyesofAsalve





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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/3/2004 11:58:54 AM   
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Why does it have to be dominant or submissive? There are alot of people who, I don't know, treat each other as equals in most of society - you know, those places that aren't in your local Dungeons and stuff.*


*No offense, but not everything can be categorized into dominant/submissive/your mother.

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/3/2004 1:23:11 PM   
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I think the most Dominant person in the room will behave like the most Dominant person whether male or female.
That is the most Dominant sex at the moment.

However, if you look back into history females have always had the submissive role to their husbands. Of course with women's lib out there the tides are slowly changing.
So, if you had to take a poll, I'm sure most would say men are. That is only because they have not evolved to the new world yet.

Yet we all choose, well actually are born into our own destiny as well. I know I was born submissive. Of course I fought that for many years. Until I realized I am who I am and to embrace who I am.

Karma, I have to respectfully disagree but I do believe everything is categorized into Dominance and submission. Whether we realize that or not. Everyone has a role they live their life by. Dominance and submission is not kink. It is who follows the orders of whom. I believe we all posess both traits it just depends on which trait we follow most of the time.

My opinion anyway.

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/3/2004 2:57:58 PM   
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I would argue that society is still largely male-dominated, but that this is, as Gloria said, slowly changing.

HOWEVER I don't think one gender is inherantly more likely to have dominante personalities, nor that a dominant person of one gender is "more dominant" than a person of the other gender.



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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/3/2004 6:07:05 PM   
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Hello there, Do we live in a More Male Dominate Society?
Or a Female Dominate Society?


Neither. Dominate is a verb, not an adjective.

- LA

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/3/2004 7:21:03 PM   
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Men of course.... because they are superior <ducks>

Atleast MOST of them are. <ducks>


Errrr.. and I am superior to ALL women
and men are superior to me

So that just clarifies it up doesnt it?

<ducks and runs>


...... i ment dominant........ didnt i?

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/3/2004 7:29:06 PM   
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we live in a patriarchal society

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/4/2004 11:22:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sub4hire
Karma, I have to respectfully disagree but I do believe everything is categorized into Dominance and submission. Whether we realize that or not. Everyone has a role they live their life by. Dominance and submission is not kink. It is who follows the orders of whom. I believe we all posess both traits it just depends on which trait we follow most of the time.


Just curious: Someone on the side of the interstate has a flat tire and seems to be having problems changing tires. I pull over to the side and help them out; you know, I'm a big burly guy, arrrr. They thank me, I grin and say something cocky (because you always have to end on a funny note), we wave at each other, and then drive off.

Who is the dominant? Who is the submissive?

What if I hold a door open for someone at a resturant? Dominance, submission?

A role or action does not necessitate the underlying current of dominance or submission being present; elsewise, where would all the charity workers in the world fit in?

I think you categorize everything into the absolute of either dominance or submission because that is what you are most comfortable with - but that does not mean it actually applies, only the way you have mentally sorted out things, a penchant for which most humans find themselves indulging in regularily.

Not to say there are *not* people whose actions are motivated by their particular bent - it would be folly to say as much, just as it is folly to say people are driven by dominant or submissive tendencies.

Awr, but I've gone mostly off topic. ;(

Thank you and have a nice day!

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/4/2004 12:42:16 PM   
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Hello there, Do we live in a More Male Dominate Society?
Or a Female Dominate Society

Even though I am a male Dominant, I say this with regrets... our society on a whole is a more male dominate society. Women are making progress every day and hopefully we will reach an equilibrium.

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/4/2004 12:43:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sub4hire
Karma, I have to respectfully disagree but I do believe everything is categorized into Dominance and submission. Whether we realize that or not. Everyone has a role they live their life by. Dominance and submission is not kink. It is who follows the orders of whom. I believe we all posess both traits it just depends on which trait we follow most of the time.


Acutally i belive what she means here is they way you act in society. Some people let other walk all over them and do not say anything about it making them the "subs" while the ones who do the walking would be the "doms" though some times it is harder to notice but that is where "switch" comes in i belive while they will let certain people walk all over them, they do their fair share of walking themselves. Myself i tend to be very quiet in groups of people making me "sub", but can be talkitive and outgoing in front of on or two people making me more "dom"

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/4/2004 2:17:46 PM   
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Who is the dominant? Who is the submissive?

What if I hold a door open for someone at a resturant? Dominance, submission?

A role or action does not necessitate the underlying current of dominance or submission being present; elsewise, where would all the charity workers in the world fit in?


Actually I didn't clarify myself well enough on my thoughts. Sorry about that. I meant we are Dominant and submissive in our relationships. If you are married to someone you both have your list of chores. In how many relationships have you seen where absolutely everything is divided equally? I haven't seen many.
In ours, I take care of two houses inside. He takes care of the yards. Typical 50's mentality. It works for us though. People do what works for them. There is usually someone who bears the majority of the responsiblity in every relationship though.

Hopefully that clarifies a bit. Yes, it is how I believe so I may actually be a bit polarized.

As to whom is the Dominant in a door opening. It depends. Am I with my partner and did he ask me to open doors for him?


I've actually pulled over to the side of the road and fixed a tire for men before who had no clue. What would that make me? Other than a good samaritan of course?


Shdw,
I really don't believe submissives allow anyone to walk all over them. Doormats do...but not submissives.
That is a whole other topic all together.



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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/14/2004 1:02:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: knees2you

Hello there, Do we live in a More Male Dominate Society? Or a Female Dominate Society?


There's no question that by any measure of influence you care to use we live a male dominant (not dominate) society.

And just as the Greek gods, out of jealousy, punished those who refused to make the requisite offerings at their altars (as in Homer's Iliad), so we are being punished for our suppression of those characteristics associated with archetypal YIN - The Goddess - and focusing almost exclusively on archetypal YANG - the God.

We can only hope that we're gonna smarten up in time to keep the earth from becoming an complete and entire shitpile of mud and chemical waste, really.

In terms of evolutionary psychology, I read a fascinating book recently by a woman who was trained by Monty Roberts, The Horse Whisperer, and then applied his ideas to training dogs. Her name escapes me, but her book is called The Dog Listener.

Her own training method is based on understanding the nature of the wolf pack. The key idea: the pack is actually led by an alpha PAIR - the dominant male and female. The other dogs are beta. Understanding wolf pack behavior allows an owner to take his or her rightful (and necessary) place as the alpha in your particular "pack" - and avoid and/or fix all kinds of neurotic dog behavior that arises when humans don't "know their role".

Having said that - there definitely is a evolutionary/biological vector in play that make it probable and normative for male domination to persist in our world - long after any caveman society imperative for it is long gone. It's kind of like a vestigal organ - or pubic hair.

Who in their right mind would say that Maggie Thatcher, Great Britain's Iron Lady, was any less capable of alpha behavior than any leader of the second half of the 20th century? Yet because of the persistency of both genes and memes, women are going to continue to be more or less second-string players in the business and political worlds for some time to come - whether you or I like it, or not.

That doesn't refer to INDIVIDUALS, but to the mass of people who make up our society.

Best wishes -

Yankeestick

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/14/2004 11:10:17 PM   
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Her own training method is based on understanding the nature of the wolf pack. The key idea: the pack is actually led by an alpha PAIR - the dominant male and female. The other dogs are beta. Understanding wolf pack behavior allows an owner to take his or her rightful (and necessary) place as the alpha in your particular "pack" - and avoid and/or fix all kinds of neurotic dog behavior that arises when humans don't "know their role".


This would be fine if we were wolves. We are not.

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/14/2004 11:15:10 PM   
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Who in their right mind would say that Maggie Thatcher, Great Britain's Iron Lady, was any less capable of alpha behavior than any leader of the second half of the 20th century? Yet because of the persistency of both genes and memes, women are going to continue to be more or less second-string players in the business and political worlds for some time to come - whether you or I like it, or not.


The reason that women play second string positions is because most women couldn't care less about business or politics. The ones that do get involved in either one do quite well. But for most women, that is not where their interests lie.

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/14/2004 11:15:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Estring

This would be fine if we were wolves. We are not.


Good point. I didn't think of that.

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 11/14/2004 11:17:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Estring

But for most women, that is not where their interests lie.


Why do you think that might be so?

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 12/12/2004 11:40:02 AM   
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Both are equal in the playing field, but women have the edge in S/M due to PMS ~smiles~

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 12/12/2004 11:41:48 AM   
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I think it equals out

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 12/13/2004 3:47:10 PM   
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The people in the most powerfull positions are mostly us men.But power is the drive overall within somone.I have a friend that has a list of chores to complete every week for his wife.Or else.He makes big $ And Is built like hulk hogan with a brown belt in karate.This subject is worthy of a pol.

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RE: Which is more Dominate, the Male gender or the Female - 12/13/2004 6:55:16 PM   
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The reason that women play second string positions is because most women couldn't care less about business or politics.


I disagree totally with this statement and shall give My proof as such:

First off woman do not play second string positions but simply play differing roles in how business and politics are applyed. The saying behind every good man is a even better woman would explain My approach.

""Brothers! Our ancestors considered it great offense to reject the counsels of their women,
particularly of the Female Governesses. They were esteemed the mistresses of the soil."
""

An international feast of creative and indominable women, famous and anonymous, ancient and modern. Leaders, founders, clan mothers, culture-makers, healers, holy women; builders, farmers, market women, musicians, doctors, witches, mystics, writers, educators, athletes, pirates, warriors, mavericks, rebels, activists, and liberators. female spheres of power as well as women who defied the strictures of patriarchy or matriarchy, class, and racial caste the woman has ruled on many levals without having the need to be physically in the position as ruler.

""I count the grains of sand on the beach and measure the sea.
I understand the speech of the mute and hear the voiceless. I
am woman.
""
Positions of power need not be measured simply by the young american standard. Dominant roles neither be measured by simply gender but many other attributes which distinguish woman into places of power but that particular position might not be clearly seen because it does not come with a financial or political tag attached to it.

Power and Gender many times is in direct context in western society with blood and bloodlines.
Blood is often seen as a source of power for men (war and sancification) and as a source of weakness (or danger to men) in women (menstruation). On the other hand, women can also gain power through blood (for example, saints and martyrs).
Blood, as a natural human component, is often exploited to define and separate certain "types" of humans from others. Throughout history, blood has been used as a boundary marker to include or exclude persons. Based on the differences in their blood, or the assumed differences in their blood, humans have been categorized into specific groupings; ones that are sometimes beneficial, and usually not. With genealogy and inheritance, blood is what matters. It can link people to positions of power and authority. It can also, however, damn a human being to poverty, sickness, and mediocrity however Dominance can still be equally shown across the blood lines in both genders.
Women of noble birth, whether they ruled or not, were always an essential factor in creating the royal atmosphere. Power flowed through them because of their royal blood and because of their influence over the heirs they produced, but they themselves seldom possessed power. Today, at least in the United States, inheritance is given to whomever the holder wishes , if established in a written will before the holder dies. Property can be bought and sold by anyone. It was not always like this, however. Throughout Western History, inheritance and property laws, whether they were written or implied, existed to ensure that certain classes of people would inherit.
The doctrine of marital unity not only mandated the wife's subservience to her husband. but it is also held the distinction of obliterating her legal identity.Therefore, when a woman married, her legal personality was merged into that of her husband, but this did not mean that the woman was any less Dominant. JMO




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