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OsideGirl -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/6/2012 12:03:10 PM)

I'm tickled. Master brought this home last night as a gift. I had complained that the composite stock on mt Marlin was so light that it made it difficult to keep it still. It's gorgeous!

[image]http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/rj308/IMG_0839.jpg[/image]




Ninebelowzero -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/6/2012 12:10:29 PM)

Nice furniture.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/6/2012 12:15:22 PM)

Oh that's gorgeous. What kind of wood is that?




OsideGirl -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/6/2012 12:28:15 PM)

I honestly don't know and the description doesn't say. It is thin slices of wood glued together and then shaped. It looks to be Walnut, but I could be wrong.




Aswad -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/6/2012 5:46:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

I've checked out some sites on the Sako and it's all pretty confusing right now.


Here's the manufacturer's site.

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Where is the difference between the 2.8k and the 3.3k other than the finish?


I couldn't tell from a quick glance at the site you linked, but it could be the finish, or it could be a more substantial difference (there are two different barrel versions for each caliber, for instance). Your best bet is to talk to a dealer in person, to make sure that you have a good idea of what you would be getting. Bear in mind that every time you pull the trigger, $7 will fly down the range, which should happen at least a thousand times a year, probably far more. Best not commit to that on advice over the Internet.

For most people starting out, TRG42 is overkill. For a few, it's the slice of engineering perfection they'll value for life.

I'll PM you with some questions about use case and so forth.

IWYW,
— Aswad.





slvemike4u -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/6/2012 7:29:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

So my green card showed up in the mail today. Yeah!

Logical next step: I'm going to get a handgun.

My local gun club has a course starting in a couple of weeks that will take beginners through all the basics, including getting the CCW permit. It's a 30 hour course, with several hours of range practice. Anybody interested in looking into the program further can find it here: http://www.bluemesashooting.com/Blue%20Mesa%20Shooting%20Academy%20Class%20Flyer.pdf

Now the problem is that the class requires me to supply my own firearm, holster, gun belt, additional magazines (or speed loaders), and ammunition and I don't have any idea what to get. I think (the way I read the instruction) they've got loaners available to try with before I'd have to decide to buy something, but I'm not a 100% sure on that, and have to call the class to confirm. If that isn't the case I'll also ask them what they recommend, but I would like to have a variety of advice on this to give me an idea of what my options are.

Any gun-nuts out there who have recommendation on what to get for a beginner?

A water pistol,preferably one of those with an orange tip.




SimplyMichael -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/7/2012 9:38:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

Thanks Aswad, that's awesome info. My rest heart rate is already quite low. Around 60 last I checked. I used to be a competitive long distance swimmer, and I'm working out again, so I should easily be able to get it back under 50 like it used to be.

I've checked out some sites on the Sako and it's all pretty confusing right now. http://www.eurooptic.com/sako-trg-42-rifles.aspx
Where is the difference between the 2.8k and the 3.3k other than the finish? Am I missing something. I can tell why the 6k ones are more expensive, but on the "lower" end ones I can't seem to notice much difference. I'm actually in the luxury position right now that 3K on a riffle is in my "reasonable" price range. Hell, I've dropped about that on kink gear in a single month a couple times in the past year, and I consider guns to be more important that kink stuff. However, am I correctly understanding that the 3k would just be the base rate, and there'd be another 1.5-2k on top of that for scopes? Are the other things that also are a "must have" before you're done spending on using the riffle, or are the scope and the riffle pretty much it? I understand that there are probably other "goodies" to be had, but are those less essential than the scope? Or not? And what kind of goodies are they for a riffle like that? And how much would you end up spending if you completely deck that riffle out to be a wet dream? More than the 6.5K I'm assuming, considering that those don't seem to have scopes either.




Its money wasted.

You can't yet outshoot a decent used hunting rifle with a crappy scope. You are FAR better off, buying a decent Ruger 10/22 and a 10,000 rounds of .22 and spending the next year shooting that than buying that Sako. Besides, if you ever break a part on that rifle, good luck getting spares when they drop/change production. Also, .338 Lapua is overkill for anything you will ever do and is pretty useless for hunting. I was in a shop the other day and saw a beautiful mauser in .270 for $200, rebuilt by BSA in England. Great round and the recoil isn't going to punish you like the .338 will.

Accuracy is SO overrated, most people can't shoot one minute of angle from anything but a bench rest. WHY? Because they don't shoot enough to get that good. You want to hunt? Learn to shoot offhand and you ain't gonna do that with a .338 Lapua, lol! You are getting lost in the "sex appeal" aspect and forgetting the real world realities. Skill and experience trump "accuracy" any day of the week. I can take a beat up used rifle with NO sights and probably outshoot you at 100 yards with that Sako, especially if we add in any real world factors. Trying to hit a deer at 150 yards requires far less accuracy and far more skill than most realize. Leading a target, follow through, a weapon that handles well and is easy to do a follow on shot are far more important. The kill zone on a deer is about a foot in diameter, which doesn't require pinpoint accuracy and pinpoint accuracy won't put that round in that spot if you don't know how to actually SHOOT.

Put another way, a fancy toy bag does not a hot Top make.

As far as HITTING things, I practice hitting a target at 100 yards with a handgun and gongs at 1,200 yards with iron sights...

That aside, Sako makes wonderful weapons. I have a Russian Negant built by Westinghouse that was sold to the Czar in WWI and then used by the Russians when they invaded Finland. The Finns handed the Russians their ass and captured my rilfe and thousands of others. It was then rebuild by Sako to defend their homeland. When the guns came in surplus they were $39...now you can't find them for ten times that amount because most will shoot under 1 MOA.




GreedyTop -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/7/2012 9:45:08 AM)

Oside.. that is PRETTY!!! Does it feel comfy to hold?




BamaD -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/7/2012 11:55:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Just0Plain0Mike


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Your use of the term gun nuts makes me dubiuos of the sencerity of the thread.


What's wrong with gun nut? I'm a gun nut and proud of it. I like guns of all types. I've used lots, and own a few. I have my CCW. Just because it's used as a derogative term by some, I don't see it that way. Or perhaps more to the point, I prefer to own the term. I'm here, I'm a gun nut, get used to it. ;)

Personally I don't find anything dubious in the post, but that's just me.

We already cleared that up and I nolonger have a problem with the ops use of the term.




OsideGirl -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/7/2012 11:57:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

Oside.. that is PRETTY!!! Does it feel comfy to hold?


Yup, it fit's my little hands just fine and feels substantial, which is what I was looking for. The composite stock was just too light and made it hard to keep the rifle still.




Aswad -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/7/2012 2:51:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Also, .338 Lapua is overkill for anything you will ever do and is pretty useless for hunting.


I'm curious where you heard "pretty useless for hunting"?

Not getting into the rest here, beyond commenting that the T3 is a practical choice.

IWYW,
— Aswad.





SimplyMichael -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/7/2012 4:11:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Also, .338 Lapua is overkill for anything you will ever do and is pretty useless for hunting.


I'm curious where you heard "pretty useless for hunting"?

Not getting into the rest here, beyond commenting that the T3 is a practical choice.

IWYW,
— Aswad.





Some men use guns like penis extenders, for 99% of uses, that is all the .338 lapua is. It has twice (or more) of the recoil of a decent deer rifle and last time I checked, you can only kill a deer so dead. In addition, the heavy recoil greatly reduces the speed and ability to fire a follow on shot in case of a miss or a non lethal hit. Its also highly expensive to shoot which reduces peoples incentive to practice extensively to gain real skill with the weapon. The one real advantage, its high level of potential accuracy at long ranges, isn't useful to most people as few people ever get a chance to shoot at 1,000 plus yards. Few animals are hunted at that range and there are a limited numbers of shooting ranges that allow more than 300 yard shooting. Most people can't shoot well enough for the potential increase in accuracy to matter at 1,000 yards anyway. Again, skill and experience are far more important than gear, ESPECIALLY for long range shooting where heat, wind, bullet drift, and a host of other factors become hugely important.

So, for practical hunting, it requires a heavier rifle to tame the recoil which is too heavy to field well all day or a light rifle that kicks like a mule. Since it is overkill to drop most North American game, its a waste. Add in the fact that it is also too small a caliber to actually hunt bigger dangerious game so it isn't good as an Big Game rifle either. Its a typical engineers solution to a mostly non existent problem.





Hillwilliam -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/7/2012 5:20:38 PM)

As for rifles, I have a Sako Forester in .243 Winchester that I got for my 13th birthday (It's 39 years old if you want to do the math).
It will shoot minute of arc out past 300 meters which is all I need. In East TN, 99% of all shots on deer are under 100 meters
Even in Wyoming, I don't think Ive ever attempted a shot over 250.
It's inexpensive to shoot and will drop anything under Elk size like a sack of grain.




MasterJohnSteed -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/7/2012 6:41:36 PM)

I'd say a shot gun, Point and click!




Aswad -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (9/7/2012 6:53:28 PM)

I'll cede that it's a poor choice at this point and bow out of it, Michael.

IWYW,
— Aswad.





Duskypearls -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (10/2/2012 6:13:46 PM)

I bought one of these Ruger 10/22 Takedown rifles just 2 wks ago. Won't that fit nicely into my BOB!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktn4gDpwkU4




OsideGirl -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (10/2/2012 6:38:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

I bought one of these Ruger 10/22 Takedown rifles just 2 wks ago. Won't that fit nicely into my BOB!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktn4gDpwkU4


Ohhh, Master wants one of those. Nice buy!




Duskypearls -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (10/2/2012 6:44:15 PM)

Not bad for $300. If ya start saving now, Oside, Master will LOVE you come Xmas day. Screw diamonds...nothing says love like a nice weapon!




PeonForHer -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (10/2/2012 7:01:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls
nothing says love like a nice weapon!


You should adopt that as your byline, DP. It's so *you*! [:)]




Duskypearls -> RE: What gun to get? -first firearm (10/2/2012 7:03:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls
nothing says love like a nice weapon!


You should adopt that as your byline, DP. It's so *you*! [:)]



Oh Peon, how funny are you?!! I'd give it some thought, but worry it might scare potential good ones away.




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