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DarkSteven -> Why conventions? (9/7/2012 5:58:50 AM)

Romney had 80% of the delegate count entering the convention, and he'd already picked his VP choice. He got no bounce from the convention.

Obama had 100% of the delegate count, and we knew his VP pick four years ago. He won't get any bounce either.

What's the point?




tazzygirl -> RE: Why conventions? (9/7/2012 6:35:50 AM)

A national pep rally.




Marc2b -> RE: Why conventions? (9/7/2012 6:43:19 AM)

There pep rallies now... there's nothing wrong with a pep rally.

Well, if it was the klan or some group like that but, a few exceptions aside... generally speaking... there's nothings wrong with pep rallies.




kalikshama -> RE: Why conventions? (9/7/2012 9:13:23 AM)

Will Obama get a real bounce?

If the show Democrats put on in Charlotte doesn't break through to voters, no convention can anymore

With apologies to Joe Biden, the next few days could literally determine whether political conventions as we’ve come to know them will endure through the next presidential election cycle.

The old purpose of conventions – to choose a candidate by bringing together delegates loyal to local, state and regional power brokers in a days-long process that often required multiple ballots to settle – gave way to modern, tightly scripted infomercial model a generation or two ago. The lack of suspense led broadcast networks to scale back their coverage, but the conventions continued to serve a valuable purpose for the parties, often producing significant polling bumps.

But in this same time, the parties have also sorted themselves out ideologically, creating more partisan polarization and fewer voters who might actually be swayed by what they see and hear during a convention. Mitt Romney’s failure to generate anything more than a very modest – at best – polling bounce from the GOP’s Tampa festivities last week spoke to the possibility that the electorate is now so thoroughly polarized that there’s nothing left for either party to gain from these quadrennial gatherings. It also fed talk that the conventions might be severely trimmed or otherwise overhauled starting in 2016.

In the very near future, we should find out whether the lack of a Romney bounce was, in fact, a function of polarization, or if it was really the result of a lousy convention. Because if what played out over the last three days in Charlotte doesn’t provide a meaningful polling bump for President Obama, it’s hard to imagine any convention in the future providing one for any candidate.

The Democrats put on an awfully good show, one that used genuine star power – Michelle Obama, Bill Clinton, the president and vice president – to articulate and reinforce a story about the last four years. Viewers were reminded about the precise nature of the economic catastrophe that Obama inherited, the steps he took to address it, the Republican intransigence he’s faced, and the basic philosophical differences between the two parties. Osama bin Laden’s name came up once or twice too. Every prime-time speaker was received like a rock star by the delegates, and the energy came through the television screen. Ratings were very strong too, at least for the first two nights, and presumably for last night as well.




MrRodgers -> RE: Why conventions? (9/7/2012 9:14:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

A national pep rally.

You've got it girl. Back in the day, they were much better as the were much more exciting.

A platform to create and vote on and a real undecided party, voted state by state to nominate a candidate. They were there to make a choice not rubber-stamp the most successfully viscous over the summer campaign.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Why conventions? (9/7/2012 9:18:39 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Romney had 80% of the delegate count entering the convention, and he'd already picked his VP choice. He got no bounce from the convention.

Obama had 100% of the delegate count, and we knew his VP pick four years ago. He won't get any bounce either.

What's the point?

Maybe the hookers in Charlotte and Tampa were hurting for money.




Winterapple -> RE: Why conventions? (9/7/2012 9:54:16 AM)

Formalities have to still be observed.
It's a pep rally and a infomercial.
And it's a perk for the host cities
and patriotic and nonpartisan
working girls(and guys).




subrob1967 -> RE: Why conventions? (9/7/2012 11:06:23 AM)

Back before 24 hour cable news and the internet the conventions were a showcase of the the party's rising stars, and a way for them to introduce them to Jane Sixpack in Podunk Oklahoma.

Now the public is flooded with news coverage of what Representative John Doe of Rhode Island did last night, and an internet full of opinions, blogs, and constant coverage, so the conventions have become a mere formality, and pep rally for the core.





FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: Why conventions? (9/7/2012 11:43:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Romney had 80% of the delegate count entering the convention, and he'd already picked his VP choice. He got no bounce from the convention.

Obama had 100% of the delegate count, and we knew his VP pick four years ago. He won't get any bounce either.

What's the point?


Ummm more goes on there? It's not just the speeches you see on TV. There are tons of workshops for strategic campaign functions, tghere is coordination of strategy between states. There is consolidation of fundraising efforts. These are just a few reasons why.




thishereboi -> RE: Why conventions? (9/7/2012 12:33:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Romney had 80% of the delegate count entering the convention, and he'd already picked his VP choice. He got no bounce from the convention.

Obama had 100% of the delegate count, and we knew his VP pick four years ago. He won't get any bounce either.

What's the point?


I could never understand it which is why I don't waste my time watching them.




vincentML -> RE: Why conventions? (9/7/2012 5:51:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Romney had 80% of the delegate count entering the convention, and he'd already picked his VP choice. He got no bounce from the convention.

Obama had 100% of the delegate count, and we knew his VP pick four years ago. He won't get any bounce either.

What's the point?


The 2012 R Primary was corrupted by BIG MONEY. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to return to the old style Conventions which were often hotly contested? The 1924 Democratic Convention lasted 16 days and required 103 ballots to nominate a candidate. Isn't that better than six months of silly debates?

They fought over civil rights and the Ku Klux Klan. They fought over religion. They fought over legalizing liquor. And they did it for more than two whole weeks while botching everything from the music to the celebratory fire sirens.

The Democratic National Convention of 1924 remains the most destructive of all time. "During its 16 days and 103 ballots, the party virtually committed suicide," writes historian Robert K. Murray.


WHAT FUN ....LOL!!!




Fellow -> RE: Why conventions? (9/7/2012 8:17:08 PM)

Advertising counts. Obama is a brand, it needs a constant shine fake (mostly) or real. Lot of hope was put on excellent liar Bill Clinton appearance. 




Fellow -> RE: Why conventions? (9/7/2012 8:30:21 PM)

I would also say conventions are important for general public to see what the to political parties are about. The parties in the US are strange if compared to parties in other countries. In countries with parliamentary systems parties actually matter and they are structured differently. In the US parties are heavily used as a tool to elect certain members of the elite into public office. When in office, the elected members are not responsible to carry out clearly defined program. 
I enjoyed looking at the delegates. Some interviews were nicely telling how people think. Like this for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=07fTsF5BiSM




vincentML -> RE: Why conventions? (9/8/2012 7:34:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Fellow

I would also say conventions are important for general public to see what the to political parties are about. The parties in the US are strange if compared to parties in other countries. In countries with parliamentary systems parties actually matter and they are structured differently. In the US parties are heavily used as a tool to elect certain members of the elite into public office. When in office, the elected members are not responsible to carry out clearly defined program. 
I enjoyed looking at the delegates. Some interviews were nicely telling how people think. Like this for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=07fTsF5BiSM


You have said this before (I think). . . Parties elect the elite. You have a poor grasp of American political history. It is true that some Presidents have come from the ranks of the so-called "elite" but some have not. Furthermore, while our Parties are assembled, informal coalitions there is usually a thematic, philosphical difference between them of the right-center-left spectrum, and on issues. This difference has been salient in the past two years. In a Parliamentry system coalitions are formed between parties whereas in ours coalitions are formed within parties. So, the President must first work with the various caucuses in his own party to get agreement on an agenda. Are you in the UK? How is that "clearly defined program" working out in the UK?




Musicmystery -> RE: Why conventions? (9/8/2012 1:57:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Romney had 80% of the delegate count entering the convention, and he'd already picked his VP choice. He got no bounce from the convention.

Obama had 100% of the delegate count, and we knew his VP pick four years ago. He won't get any bounce either.

What's the point?

It is the age of television, Steven.

Free three day infomercial. Can't beat that.




Yachtie -> RE: Why conventions? (9/8/2012 2:10:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
What's the point?


Ever see the end of Caddyshack?

"Hey, we're all going to get laid!"

[:D]




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