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Politesub53 -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/11/2012 6:11:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow quote: How about 21 reasons, all nineteen Al Qaida operatives who took part, or OBL, or KSM, who materminded the attack 6 years previously. BS. I asked for the concrete evidence. Give me just one then to chew if you can not come out with more. For example: the passports of two terrorists ejected from their pockets, flew through the fire and concrete walls of WTC, and they were immediately found by the FBI. BTW, OBL was never officially charged for participation in 9/11 attacks. Tony Blair even publicly said there was nothing that would count for a court. The problem with your request is you have already rejected the evidence out of hand, and will continue to do so as it doesnt fit with your deluded theories.

mnottertail -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/11/2012 6:15:15 PM)
And Tony Blair's opinion of American rules of evidence is not to be confused with our system of Jurisprudence, they wouldn't have had old Sam splayed out in the Old Bailey now would they? He would have went to DC or Manhatten, innit? One is opinion, you have been given facts by Polite. You can bet that Blair doesn't hold a card with our bar.

Fellow -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/11/2012 8:42:39 PM)
quote: The problem with your request is you have already rejected the evidence out of hand, and will continue to do so as it doesnt fit with your deluded theories. Why do you give me BS. What you say is not evidence at all but just a speculation. I asked for serious evidence. How did they wire building 7 with explosives for example? What happened to the real evidence (surveillance videos, flight recorders etc...). Why was it hidden or destroyed? Any reasonable explanations you can offer?

cloudboy -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/11/2012 9:07:58 PM)
Bush was ill-equipped to be president. He was a drunk, a failed businessman, and AWOL from his military duties. He was also fact-averse and incurious. Overall he was a kind of male Sarah Palin, but b/c he came from a better family and better schools he seemed more Presidential.

BamaD -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/11/2012 10:18:29 PM)
The only minor disagreement I have with your points is that Al Qaeda didn't just admit to it they bragged about it and even posted an editorial in Al Akram explaining why it was justified.

BamaD -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/11/2012 10:21:06 PM)
They didn't. And the metal girders did not vaporize they buckeled, not the same thing at all.

FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/11/2012 10:44:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The only minor disagreement I have with your points is that Al Qaeda didn't just admit to it they bragged about it and even posted an editorial in Al Akram explaining why it was justified. I guess it all comes down to how you view Bin Laden's discussing it in terms of it's success while being video taped as a dinner guest. I guess some would dismiss that as 'bragging' or rather qualify it as such. I see it as admission myself. I'm just pissed I built a perfectly good running joke in and no foil-hatters bit.

Politesub53 -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/12/2012 3:36:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow quote: The problem with your request is you have already rejected the evidence out of hand, and will continue to do so as it doesnt fit with your deluded theories. Why do you give me BS. What you say is not evidence at all but just a speculation. I asked for serious evidence. How did they wire building 7 with explosives for example? What happened to the real evidence (surveillance videos, flight recorders etc...). Why was it hidden or destroyed? Any reasonable explanations you can offer? [sm=lalala.gif] << Youre not listening.

farglebargle -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/12/2012 3:58:00 AM)
Given the way NYC Construction worked in the 70's ( e.g.: "The Towering Inferno was a documentary" ), many are surprised that the WTC towers didn't fall down sooner on their own ( see also: Citibank building/ post construction installation of tuned mass dampers and needed structural reinforcement )....

Politesub53 -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/12/2012 4:03:41 AM)
Ive been through all that on here years ago Fargle... As you say, untried designs and poor quality construction with little oversight all helped to cause complete failure. The dopes who insist GWB had a grand plan to pull the towers wont ever believe anything else, even when in black and white.

tj444 -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/12/2012 9:07:24 AM)
Hindsight is 20/20.. I have read that Clinton had the opportunity to take out OBL well before 9/11 but he hesitated & the opportunity was lost.. OBL went on to recruit & train many followers & perfect "terrorism" as a result.. so why not blame Clinton too, or even more than puppet Bush? Not everything in the world is 100% preventable.. not unless you made the world stop entirely.. and have absolutely no individual freedom left.. I want more freedom, not less..

DomYngBlk -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/12/2012 10:35:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow quote: Hopefully. Its rather insane. No, it is not. It is a matter of evidence-based (mine) world and propaganda-based world view. I recommend people a little exercise. Think what kind of solid evidence we have against small group of Arabs pulling it off. Weight this against the evidence suggesting forces inside US power structure staged the whole event. If you take time to do this honestly you will understand my and (hundreds of millions others) position regarding this matter, the crime of the century. One problem with the conspiracy part of it is the Flight downed in Pa. If you'd gone to all that trouble to make this happen wouldn't you have made sure the full plan worked? Had a backup for your backup? Sort of making sure there were gunmen on the grassy knoll just in case Oswald missed?

FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/12/2012 11:48:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow quote: I want to go on record as saying I wouldn't dream of attributing 9/11 to Bush2 in regard to it being a conspiracy. Based on the way he executed virtually everything else, that would be an impossibility for the reasons you cited alone. There is some evidence G. W.B was not directly involved. He was sent out of town to teach kids. At some point he panicked and demanded to talk to Cheney. You're saying there is evidence? You understand what would qualify as evidence, right? Sure you don't wish to modify that statement?

GotSteel -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/12/2012 6:01:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow quote: Hopefully. Its rather insane. No, it is not. Yes, yes it is. quote: ORIGINAL: It is a matter of evidence-based (mine) world and propaganda-based world view. Nope. quote: ORIGINAL: I recommend people a little exercise. Think what kind of solid evidence we have against small group of Arabs pulling it off. Weight this against the evidence suggesting forces inside US power structure staged the whole event. If you take time to do this honestly you will understand my and (hundreds of millions others) position regarding this matter, the crime of the century. We've done that, you've already heard the result. The position you are advocating is insane.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/12/2012 7:48:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow Just for curiosity: am I the only one here who is firmly convinced 9/11 was inside job? Are you kidding me? As an American and as someone who was in Manhattan that day, and as someone who still resides in Manhattan, I cannot tell you how offended I am by this comment. How ridiculous. Do you not follow the geo-political landscape at all? quote: Ask yourselves, what is the temperature of exploding jet fuel? Then ask yourselves, how hot does steel have to get in order to evaporate? Ask yourselves, in regards to the Pennsylvania crash, how many plane crashes have happened in history where no engines or tail sections were ever recovered? Ask yourselves, how many of the 'alleged 19 hijackers' are still alive somewhere in the Arabic-speaking world? Ask yourselves, how was there a spike in Put Options against American Airlines and United Airlines in the 2 months before Sept. 11th? Why has nobody investigated those individuals who profited by those Put Options? What about Building 7? What about the NORAD standdown? What about Larry Silverstein's $2 billion insurance policy that he took out in the summer of 2001 that specifically covered against 'terrorism'? What about Marvin Bush taking over as head of security for the Twin Towers in 2001? What about Bush ordering a 2 day lockout of all employees for a 'security update'? RahvinDom, you can ignore all the evidence you want, but it doesn't change the facts. I am not going to address everything here, but I will point out a few things. Al Qaeda was funded in part by Bin Laden who is part of a wealthy Saudi family, and has connections to many people in the Islamic world who have money. Anyone can buy Put Options. Has it ever occurred to you that the people who were trading these put options were doing it on behalf of the terrorists themselves?? Larry Silverstein signed a lease on WTC in July 0f 2001. It is common practice to take out insurance when you have a lease on a complex that size. WTC had already been attacked in 1993 by a bomb - an attack masterminded by someone who was trained at an Al Qaeda training camp. Yes, the insurance policy included terrorism, as most insurance policies on WTC have since 1993. Securacom went belly up after 9/11 - so what point are you trying to make about Marvin Bush? Why don't you read some global politics and some information about various religions in the world, and come back when you've done your homework. If you do not think Islamic terrorists were behind both the 93 WTC bombing and 9/11 then you are truly living in a world of your own creation.....

fucktoyprincess -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/12/2012 7:52:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Bush was ill-equipped to be president. He was a drunk, a failed businessman, and AWOL from his military duties. He was also fact-averse and incurious. Overall he was a kind of male Sarah Palin, but b/c he came from a better family and better schools he seemed more Presidential. [sm=applause.gif]

Aylee -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/12/2012 8:18:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Cheney couldn't even keep Libby out of prison, but he was smart enough to perpetrate a vast right wing conspiracy? Really? Just one question... How come no one has come forward and blew the whistle? I'm quite sure Assange would have printer their story. Or Bradley Manning.

Rule -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/13/2012 5:33:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk One problem with the conspiracy part of it is the Flight downed in Pa. What plane was downed in Pennsylvania? No planes crashed that day. Insurance was collected for four planes that allegedly crashed. Only two of those planes actually existed - and they were stolen. 1. The alleged plane of the North Tower (first strike) : Boeing 767-223ER Civilian Passenger Aircraft. Value of a B767-200: 160 million dollars 2. The alleged plane of the South Tower (second strike) : Boeing 767-300ER Civilian Passenger Aircraft. Value of a B767-300: 180 million dollars 3. The alleged plane of the Pentagon strike: Boeing 757-223. Value of this type plane: 65 million dollars 4. The alleged plane of the Shanksville strike: Boeing 757–222. Value of this type plane: 65 million dollars So insurance profits would have been at most 470 million dollars. The two planes stolen would add another say at most 235 million dollars to the profits. Total profits therefore at most: 700 million dollars. Even if they got only half that amount of money from insurance and sale/addition, there would still be a profit of 350 million dollars. It pays to be a con man at this level.

Rule -> RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. (9/13/2012 5:36:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow There is some evidence G. W.B was not directly involved. He was sent out of town to teach kids. Don't you recognize a cover story when you see it? "But Mum! I was not involved in that bank robbery. I have got an aliby: I was reading from a book to a couple of children in a classroom when that happened".

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