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Wind - 9/20/2012 12:17:44 PM

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FAIRLESS HILLS, Pa. — Last month, Gamesa, a major maker of components for wind turbines, completed the first significant order of its latest invention: a camper-size box that can capture the energy of slow winds, potentially opening up new parts of the country to wind power.
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But by the time the last of the devices, worth more than $1.25 million, was hitched to a rail car, Gamesa had all but shut down its factory here and furloughed 92 of the workers who made them.

“Big Wind has had extension after extension after extension,” said Benjamin Cole, a spokesman for the American Energy Alliance, a group partly financed by oil interests that has been lobbying against the credit in Washington. “The government shouldn’t be continuing to prop up industries that never seem to be able to get off their training wheels.”

But without the tax credit in place, the wind business “falls off a cliff,” said Ryan Wiser, a staff scientist at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory who studies the market potential of renewable electricity sources.

Wind industry jobs range in pay from about $30,000 a year for assemblers to almost $100,000 a year for engineers, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Aside from Clipper Windpower and General Electric, most of the turbine manufacturers operating in the United States are headquartered overseas, especially in Europe, where wind power took off first, spurred by clean energy policies and generous subsidies.

As the United States put in place mandates and subsidies of its own, several large outfits, including the Spanish company Gamesa, set up shop stateside. Because the turbines, made of roughly 8,000 parts, are so large and heavy — blades half the length of a football field, towers rising hundreds of feet in the air, motors weighing in the tons — they are difficult and expensive to transport.

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 12:24:48 PM

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Do you have a point ?

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 12:29:46 PM

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that is what I was thinking

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 12:39:45 PM

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It appears that Yachtie is in favor of wind energy and the accompanying energy independence with high paying jobs but disapproves of the fact that congress cant get off their ass and help em out.

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 12:41:29 PM

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Do you have a point ?

Not really, no. Just seemed appropriate with all the hot air swirling about these parts these days.

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 12:43:23 PM

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The point is the fucking SBA should be making loans to help finance this industry in the US. To help create and innovate the technology rather than having a Spanish firm come in......

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 1:02:46 PM

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Well, in that case seems we are the only country that thinks wind is going to fail, in Rockford, IL a very large wind mill factory opened up, owned by the Chinese, because of the cost to transporting everything across the oceans

So while the House does nothing except try to kill wind to the benefit of the OIL Barons who pay for their re-elections, foreign countries are taking the lead..

as is the case with high speed rail..

Ryan never discusses the two high speed rail companies that moved out of Wisconsin when that state said NO to accepting money from Obama to help get them started, one was going to open up at the closed GM plant in Janesville, the other was opened near Milw and when Wisconsin turned down the money they moved, to Illinois

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 1:23:05 PM

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Hunstman makes a lot of the PolyU for the blades. you think they'd throw him a bone

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 4:41:44 PM

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Do you have a point ?

Not really, no. Just seemed appropriate with all the hot air swirling about these parts these days.

I am guessing you are energy self sufficient then.

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 4:43:39 PM

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I think that while wind energy is a noble cause......cost wise it is too expensive to contemplate for current (pun intended) use.

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 5:01:34 PM

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Do you have a point ?

Not really, no. Just seemed appropriate with all the hot air swirling about these parts these days.

Hahahahahahahaha

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 5:24:02 PM

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I think that while wind energy is a noble cause......cost wise it is too expensive to contemplate for current (pun intended) use.

The price per watt has come down significantly the last few years. The more we make the more the price will come down (economies of scale).

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 5:43:40 PM

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If conservatives really cared about reducing our dependency on foreign oil they wouldn't constantly try to attack efforts towards developing alternative forms of energy. When government money does get spent on alternative forms of energy (much of which is still developmental - and therefore not yet profitable), the conservatives complain that the government is wasting taxpayer money.

But waging entire wars in various parts of the Middle East is, of course, a perfectly good way to spend our money in order to protect our oil interests.

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 6:31:53 PM

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Yes...seeing how oil still gets hundreds on millions of dollars in taxpayer corp welfare....they got it when they started and now they want to make sure no one else gets it to compete with them

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 6:54:33 PM

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I took my son's scout troop to a Tufts school of.engineering reception hosted by the dean of the school of.civil engineering Tuesday night at the USS Constitioseum. And .after several presentations we boarded buses we visited a facility that stress tests turbine blades. It has the largest blade testing capacities in the world right now. We three blade models being tested the smallest being 50 meters long. The largest was 70 meters long. JUST the blade length mind you. And we were also shown models.of the generator pakages. The outputs.of the three.once completed will range from 6 megawatts to 10. The dean stated that because.of the superconductor technologies they leverage, they can produce those wattages for 60 cents.on the dollar vs the cheapest fossil fuel (coal). These aren't theoretic.the generators are under.construction right.now. And.they reported.that they are already holding demos for two major power providers that are ready to place orders when the outputs are certified.
There were engineers present were citing statistical data.considerably more up to date than has been.cited here.
So maybe its time to get new benchmark sources.
Your info is dated.

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 8:04:26 PM

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I took my son's scout troop to a Tufts school of.engineering reception hosted by the dean of the school of.civil engineering Tuesday night at the USS Constitioseum. And .after several presentations we boarded buses we visited a facility that stress tests turbine blades. It has the largest blade testing capacities in the world right now. We three blade models being tested the smallest being 50 meters long. The largest was 70 meters long. JUST the blade length mind you. And we were also shown models.of the generator pakages. The outputs.of the three.once completed will range from 6 megawatts to 10. The dean stated that because.of the superconductor technologies they leverage, they can produce those wattages for 60 cents.on the dollar vs the cheapest fossil fuel (coal). These aren't theoretic.the generators are under.construction right.now. And.they reported.that they are already holding demos for two major power providers that are ready to place orders when the outputs are certified.
There were engineers present were citing statistical data.considerably more up to date than has been.cited here.
So maybe its time to get new benchmark sources.
Your info is dated.

Man, that would have been an awesome trip to be on. <grumbles> lucky scouts </grumbles>

I've tried to get my boys into some of the renewable energy things. I've gotten them "Einstein Boxes" having to do with wind and solar power, but they rip the kits open, build the first thing and then it collects dust. It's a damn shame, too.

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RE: Wind - 9/20/2012 9:11:26 PM

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Desi... Pm me... Can't see your profile... Got something to show you

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