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missnymph -> Microchipping (9/25/2012 8:55:45 AM)

Hi i have been asked the following questions & would appreciate any input as to how i should answer them:

Micro chipping pets is very common place now.

1) Would it be legal to inplant humans with these Microchips?

(Mainly to have the paperwork, stating 'Ownership)

2) Would this method be of interest to anyone on the scene if made available?

Many Thanks
Miss Nymph




Aswad -> RE: Microchipping (9/25/2012 9:23:32 AM)

It's legal where I live, at least. Probably legal elsewhere, as well.

The question being why you would want to use a simple RFID chip that way?

I imagine some of the folks over at the slave registry might consider it cute, at least. But the cops are never going to be bringing the slaves back to you if they run away, so I'm not sure there's much of a point to it. For me, I would prefer to stick with markers that you don't need a chip reader to get anything out of, or active circuits that can be used invisible fences and that sort of thing. Then again, I know how to make those myself.

The upshot, of course, is that they can be removed easily enough.

IWYW,
— Aswad.




missnymph -> RE: Microchipping (9/25/2012 9:31:16 AM)

Thank you for your reply.

It seems the sub concerned wants the D to have her 'Ownership papers'!

They are in a longterm D/s relationship & have suggested getting this done & appearing at events where she can shoe off her Ownership with a scanner.

Im in UK. Thank you for your help & assistance.




OwnHer312 -> RE: Microchipping (9/25/2012 9:35:20 AM)

This was actually discussed recently on "The View" (a popular woman-oriented morning show in the USA) in the context of microchipping children. The ladies on the show seemed to be okay with the idea, although they seemed to believe that the chips worked like GPS tracking devices, when in fact they are essentially just identification tags which can only be read with a reader similar to a retail checkout scanner. (When presented with a stray animal, a veterinarian or animal shelter scans the chip to obtain its number, then uses an on-line database to find the owner. The chip doesn't do any good unless the animal ends up somewhere with a scanner). GPS trackers small enough to fit on an a dog collar are commercially available, and of course most humans already carry a GPS tracking device (a cellular phone). Implantable GPS trackers are still the stuff of science fiction because of the lack of a suitable power source. The pet microchips are passive, being entirely powered by a brief burst of radio energy emitted by the scanner.

I am sure that neither the manufacturers of the chips nor the medical regulatory agencies in many countries certify the devices for human use, but they are certainly sterile and if implanted under sterile conditions should be no more hazardous than a body piercing. The installation would be trivial for a qualified piercer and I expect that there are piercers who would be willing to do it (in a consenting "animal", of course) even if it's a legal gray area.

The real reason for the device, of course, is to identify a creature that lacks the ability to tell a good samaritan its name or where it lives. Non-human pets obviously fall into this category, and it's harder for a thief to tamper with a microchip than it is to remove a collar tag. There is therefore little practical value to microchipping an adult human, although I can see there being a symbolic and kinky appeal to the device as a high-tech tag, especially for more gadget-centric owners and their property. It also has the advantage (or disadvantage, depending on your perspective) of being less obvious than an ownership tattoo or a collar. If the practice were to become widespread, a chip scanner might be a useful and entertaining addition to the local BDSM club, for identifying "pets" which may have found their way to the club without the permission of the owners. :-)




missnymph -> RE: Microchipping (9/25/2012 9:42:07 AM)

The person this D/s couple have approached about this is already a fully qualified animal Microchipper.

They hold the scanner & if this was to go ahead would attend several BDSM events per year, to either insert, scan or alter ownership details onto the systems.

i think its more symbolic than the idea of GPS, Tattoos, & Branding are very visible to others, this would be well hidden BUT the persons concerned would know it was there etc





Aswad -> RE: Microchipping (9/25/2012 10:29:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OwnHer312

Implantable GPS trackers are still the stuff of science fiction because of the lack of a suitable power source.


This is not correct.

And doubly incorrect for locators.

IWYW,
— Aswad.




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Microchipping (9/25/2012 12:06:40 PM)

I don't see why it wouldn't be legal, as long as the person receiving the chip consents. I would think that it would come under the same umbrella as other types of body mod.

I personally wouldn't be having the vet do it at a BDSM event though, I'd want to be sure it was done with the same degree of sanitary practice and training as a reputable piercer would use - I'm not sure animal experience would do.

That aside, I can see it being a fun novelty that lots of people might enjoy.




missnymph -> RE: Microchipping (9/25/2012 12:17:26 PM)

Thank you Athena

You may find that a qualified Microchipper of Animals will have more expertise than a piercer just trying it out!

They would be applied via a Chipper Inserter gun.

Miss N





AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Microchipping (9/25/2012 12:28:05 PM)

You might be right. Just going off what my gut feeling would be if I were considering this.

To be honest I'm a bit squeamish about guns being used for inserting things, I always preferred the needle/incision methods for that sort of thing. Are the guns single use?




missnymph -> RE: Microchipping (9/25/2012 12:39:03 PM)

The needle section is yes.

& immediately put into a sharps bin.






WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Microchipping (9/25/2012 12:40:34 PM)

I think we first need to tag and release a controlled group of submissives to study them in their natural habitats, document their migrating and mating patterns. [:D]





missnymph -> RE: Microchipping (9/25/2012 12:44:48 PM)

PMSL!!!!!

Sounds good to me!

But actually these wouldn't be trackers simply, for insertion & scanning at points when required.

Miss N




DesFIP -> RE: Microchipping (9/26/2012 12:52:46 PM)

For what purpose? If they leave you, nobody's going to read the chip and return them to you. You have to be within about 18" of a reader is my understanding.

Moreover, some people scar. Or absentmindedly pick at things. This has been considered for Alzheimer's patients, who do occasionally wander off. Usually it's considered safer to put the chip in their sneakers however.




littlewonder -> RE: Microchipping (9/26/2012 8:09:19 PM)

I wouldn't have a problem with a microchipper or some kind of gps locator implanted. I think it could be kinda fun. I mean it's just an implant and not a big deal.




kitkat105 -> RE: Microchipping (9/26/2012 9:18:23 PM)

I think most human bodies would be quite unhappy at having an implantable device inside them. This isn't superficial like a tattoo or piercing.

Infection anyone?




MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: Microchipping (9/26/2012 9:59:50 PM)

Well, the microchips are supposed to be sterile, and are frequently used in valuable animals, so I wouldn't worry so much about infection as the supposed danger they are suspecting of tumors forming from longterm exposure (this is what I'm hearing but I'm not saying they DO cause them). Painwise they are so tiny it's supposed to be about the same as an injection. But if the chips can't be read except up close, I don't really see the use of them except as identification. Who would you get to INSERT THEM, anyway?

One of My subbies has ROCKS under his skin from a mortar strike, about the size of a pea...I've seen and touched them. Aparently the docs didn't consider them worth removing*sarcasm* so he's just walking around with them. After three years they finally took out the inch-long chunk of metal schrapnel they missed that was causing him so much pain (and Me so much ANGER).

Here's something that might come in handy for a little fun...I saw an ad for a phone app where you can track your kid's phone. I'd consider using that to track wandering subbies. Call your dieting subby up suddenly while they are cheating at McDonald's and yell into the phone, "I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, BRAT! DROP THOSE FRIES!!!!"

Hee hee.





littlewonder -> RE: Microchipping (9/26/2012 10:00:40 PM)

People get stuff implanted all the time. There's a huge group of people who do the horns on the head, beads along the penis and other parts of the body and I've yet to hear of any bad effects. Yeah sure there are those who would get an infection. Some people are just prone to them due to any reason whatsoever. But the majority of folks won't fall under that umbrella.

http://news.bmezine.com/tag/implants/




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Microchipping (9/26/2012 10:56:43 PM)

Ive heard that microchips in dogs can develope tumours n stuff at the site of the chip. So id wonder about that in humans.




littlewonder -> RE: Microchipping (9/26/2012 11:46:31 PM)

The only time I've ever heard of microchips causing cancer are on the conspiracy theory or "new age" websites.

Plus the FDA approved microchips for humans back in 2004. As of right now they are mainly used by hospitals to record a patients meds, illnesses, etc, basically keeping a record of the person.

It would definitely cut down on the amount of paperwork one would have to do, signed, copied into a database and then put in a file, never to be seen again.




littlewonder -> RE: Microchipping (9/26/2012 11:53:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

The only time I've ever heard of microchips causing cancer are on the conspiracy theory or "new age" websites.

Plus the FDA approved microchips for humans back in 2004. As of right now they are mainly used by hospitals to record a patients meds, illnesses, etc, basically keeping a record of the person.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6237364/ns/health-health_care/t/fda-approves-computer-chip-humans/

It would definitely cut down on the amount of paperwork one would have to do, signed, copied into a database and then put in a file, never to be seen again.







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