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Well if you want to know, i still deny the Holocaust.

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I'm sad and sorry to hear that. That is where you and I part company.

I don't want anything to do with any one who engages in such crass anti-Semitism. I find it deplorable.

Trying to associate such rubbish with the Palestinian cause does a lot of harm to that cause and plays straight into the hands of the Zionists. I hope that you reconsider your position before you do any more damage.

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I only deny it for the fact that its pure racism, i do not deny the fact that millions of Jews where systematicly executed by the Nazi's.

But everyone has a different opinion and the right to tell it;)

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It's not accurate to describe this position as "denying the Holocaust". This will mislead most people. Most people will interpret "denying the Holocaust" as denying the entire event - all the systematic murders of millions of Jews, gypsies, gays, dissenters and others. You will be misunderstood and people will call you a racist and an anti-Semite.

A more accurate rendition of your position is that you deny that any single group was the only or exclusive target of the Nazis. It is important to make this clear - otherwise your message lost in a negative reaction.

In the end it's up to you of course. You need to decide which message you want to convey and then convey it clearly and precisely. The terms you currently use are counter-productive, if you don't mind my saying so.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
Begs a question. If Israel is that Israel of Biblical prophecy, of what need has Israel of earthly big brother security?

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ORIGINAL: ermood

Well my friend, i'm not from Holland... if you look at it that way i'm from Limburg;)

Holland is a province.... and you call me stupid? the countrie is named The Netherlands.

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And i'm just telling the right thing, recognizing the Holocaust is just racism, and tell me.... what is Isreal creating in Palastine? the same thing as what they use as excuse to attack the Palestinians...

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ORIGINAL: ermood

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It's not accurate to describe this position as "denying the Holocaust". This will mislead most people. Most people will interpret "denying the Holocaust" as denying the entire event - all the systematic murders of millions of Jews, gypsies, gays, dissenters and others. You will be misunderstood and people will call you a racist and an anti-Semite.

A more accurate rendition of your position is that you deny that any single group was the only or exclusive target of the Nazis. It is important to make this clear - otherwise your message lost in a negative reaction.

In the end it's up to you of course. You need to decide which message you want to convey and then convey it clearly and precisely. The terms you currently use are counter-productive, if you don't mind my saying so.

I have to say, you've got a point here.... i will think about it;)

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but there is no denying the majority were Jewish

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

KD, is it just me or have others witnessed the comedy of the last few pages, where the in-house demoniser of all things Israeli has been trying to disuade an outright anti-Semite, who more than coincidentally is an Israeli-basher, from expressions of said hatred? What was the reason exactly? Um... because it apparently deflects from the MAJOR issue of the Palestinian cause: "just plays into the hands of the Zionist lobby, who like nothing better than to (falsely) frame the discussion of Occupied Palestine in terms of anti-Semitism." Oh deary, what an inconvenience. Lets all whitewash an underlying cause (albeit indeed not an exclusive one) of the movement because it might be a wee bit embarrassing... [:D] [:D]

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
KD, is it just me or have others witnessed the comedy of the last few pages, where the in-house demoniser of all things Israeli has been trying to disuade an outright anti-Semite, who more than coincidentally is an Israeli-basher, from expressions of said hatred? What was the reason exactly? Um... because it apparently deflects from the MAJOR issue of the Palestinian cause: "just plays into the hands of the Zionist lobby, who like nothing better than to (falsely) frame the discussion of Occupied Palestine in terms of anti-Semitism." Oh deary, what an inconvenience. Lets all whitewash an underlying cause (albeit indeed not an exclusive one) of the movement because it might be a wee bit embarrassing... [:D] [:D]

Yes . . . it is just you[8|]

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Ah Vincenzo, care to educate and entertain us some more with your expert knowledge of the Middle East?

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Ah Vincenzo, care to educate and entertain us some more with your expert knowledge of the Middle East?

Sarcasm is often the sound of a stick beating against an empty steel drum. If I expressed errors in what I have written I would be pleased to have them corrected.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Heaven forbid…not more socks…lol

I do hear ya but maybe too the sting of being called racists has made said poster reevaluate and make attempts to show us we were wrong.

I do hope this is the case and we will see.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

KD, is it just me or have others witnessed the comedy of the last few pages, where the in-house demoniser of all things Israeli has been trying to disuade an outright anti-Semite, who more than coincidentally is an Israeli-basher, from expressions of said hatred? What was the reason exactly? Um... because it apparently deflects from the MAJOR issue of the Palestinian cause: "just plays into the hands of the Zionist lobby, who like nothing better than to (falsely) frame the discussion of Occupied Palestine in terms of anti-Semitism." Oh deary, what an inconvenience. Lets all whitewash an underlying cause (albeit indeed not an exclusive one) of the movement because it might be a wee bit embarrassing... [:D] [:D]

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Ah Vincenzo, care to educate and entertain us some more with your expert knowledge of the Middle East?

Sarcasm is often the sound of a stick beating against an empty steel drum. If I expressed errors in what I have written I would be pleased to have them corrected.

Well Vincenzo you have your deeply held beliefs which I sincerely doubt reason could influence but thats OK, you're entitled to them and to express them. I'm not here to set the world to rights, much as you guys need it! [8D] BTW I have long enjoyed the sound of the steel drum... [:D]

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
No Anax.....It really is just you. Tweaks has made herself clear on the Palestinian issue, as have I, on many occassions.

You choose, in your infinite wisdom, or in this case lack there of, not to see what people are actually saying, since it doesnt fit into your argument.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
I thought you fashioned yourself after a great teacher of inquiry, Anax. Sad that you shun an invitation from this humble student. Must one conclude the hollow drum is content to listen only to the cacaphony of its own internal frequencies? [:D]

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My bad.......It`s all double Dutch to me ;)