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defiantbadgirl -> best time to get flu shot (9/29/2012 8:53:35 AM)

When is the best time to get a flu shot? Walmart is already offering them and the college I attend is offering walk-ins the first week of October. I don't want to get one too early and have the immunity it provides wear off too soon.




DaddySatyr -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/29/2012 9:01:18 AM)

My experience with flu shots tells me that the best time to get one (unless you're very young or very old) is: NEVER

I have NEVER had a season when I got a flu shot that it prevented me from getting the flu, later on.

Conversely; I've had a few years when I didn't get a flu shot and never got the flu.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




sexyred1 -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/29/2012 9:04:18 AM)

You should already have gotten the flu shot this year. It takes two weeks for it to kick in. It's immunity does not wear off so fast.

I believe that everyone over 40 should get the flu shot; once I started getting them, I never got the flu and prior to that, I always did.

I also got the shingles vaccine this year.





kalikshama -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/29/2012 9:36:25 AM)

The last time I had the flu was right after the last time I had a flu shot, and also the only time I've ever vomited from the flu. That was in 1990 when the military required me to get a flu shot. As a civilian, I have the freedom to chose alternatives like Vitamin D.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D_and_influenza

Numerous studies link vitamin D and influenza, as well as vitamin D and respiratory infections more generally. This vitamin up-regulates genetic expression of various endogenous antimicrobial peptides (AMP), which exhibit broad-spectrum microbicidal activity against bacteria, fungi, and viruses. Reports discussed below indicate that susceptibility to influenza is reduced with higher levels of sun exposure or vitamin D supplementation. Seasonal variation of vitamin D levels in humans can help explain the seasonality of flu epidemics.

Recently (2006 and 2008), John Cannell and colleagues have suggested that vitamin D deficiency is a major risk factor for influenza and that vitamin D may be effective in reducing influenza incidence and severity.[1][2]

In both publications, the authors concluded that physiological doses of vitamin D (5,000 International Units (IU)/day for adults and 1,000 IU/day for every 25 pounds of body weight in children) might reduce the incidence of influenza, and proposed that pharmacological doses (2,000 IU/kg/day for 3–4 days) may have a treatment effect in influenza. The authors present epidemiological evidence suggesting that the seasonality of vitamin D deficiency may explain the seasonality of influenza epidemics and that the epidemiology of vitamin D deficiency may help explain the confusing epidemiology of influenza. However, the seasonality of influenza may also be explicable by other factors. For example, it has been shown that low absolute humidity favours the survival of the influenza virus.[3]

A study published in the February 2009 Archives of Internal Medicine involving 1900 adults and children done by the University of Colorado Denver School of Medicine, Massachusetts General Hospital, and Children's Hospital Boston, found that people with the lowest blood vitamin D levels reported having significantly more recent colds or cases of the flu. The risks were even higher for those with chronic respiratory disorders, such as asthma and emphysema. They reported that asthma patients with the lowest vitamin D levels were five times more likely to have had a recent respiratory infection; while among COPD patients, respiratory infections were twice as common among those with vitamin D deficiency. However, the authors stress that the study's results need to be confirmed in clinical trials before vitamin D can be recommended to prevent colds and flu.[4][5]

A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study published in the March 2010 issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition reported that those in the group of 167 children taking 1,200 international units of vitamin D3 supplements daily in winter were 42% less likely to get infected with seasonal flu than those who were given a placebo.[6][7]

In 2012, a randomized double-blind placebo-controlled study found that 300 IU of vitamin D in fortified milk for three months during winter reduced the incidence of acute respiratory infections in Mongolian school children compared to non-fortified milk[8]. Children that received vitamin D reported having 50% less acute respiratory infections during the winter-time compared to children that did not receive vitamin D. The researchers did not attempt to distinguish between the causes of the acute respiratory infections, whether they were caused by influenza or the common cold.




lizi -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/29/2012 11:04:31 AM)

I'm in school for a medical program where we students intern at many different types of institutions including hospital, out patient, skilled nursing, etc. We have to get a flu shot and proof that we had one for almost all of the various places included as clinical sites. The consensus was this year after our teachers compiled all the data and requirements, that we have to get our shots between Oct 1 and Dec 1 for maximum protection during key transmission times. Hope that helps....

For us if we want to intern we have to get the shot. It's a requirement for the sites. I'm sure it's so the sites can then cover their backsides as to having documentation that their institutions are doing their utmost to keep transmission down. For example, a single contagious person on a geriatric ward could conceivably cause many deaths.

We do have to intern too if we want to graduate so there isn't any free will about it, unless we choose not to graduate after putting years of our time into things so far. I'll be lining up for a shot somewhere next week!




fluffypet67 -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/29/2012 11:23:48 AM)

i already have my flu shot. i don't care to take chances with my health.

I do not believe that any vitamin fights a virus or prevents it.
i remember a long time ago that vitamin C was supposed to be the cure for everything.
If a body is in good health with proper nutrients and vitamins it may be easier to fight an illness, but won't prevent it..




kalikshama -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/29/2012 12:30:56 PM)

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i don't care to take chances with my health.


When you compare effectiveness, you may find that is exactly what you are doing by relying on the flu vaccine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine#Effectiveness_of_vaccine

Nevertheless, multiple clinical trials of both live and inactivated influenza vaccines against seasonal influenza have been performed and their results pooled and analyzed in several 2012 meta-analyses. Studies on live vaccines have very limited data, but these preparations may be more effective than inactivated vaccines.[43] The meta-analyses examined the efficacy and effectiveness of inactivated vaccines against seasonal influenza in adults,[41] children,[47] and the elderly.[48][49] In adults, vaccines show a one-quarter reduction in risk of contracting influenza but no significant effect on the rate of hospitalization.[41] However, the risk of serious complications from influenza is small in adults, so unless the effect from vaccination is large it might not have been detected. In children, vaccines again showed high efficacy, but low effectiveness in preventing "flu-like illness". In children under two the data are extremely limited, but vaccination appeared to confer no measurable benefit.[47] In the elderly, while many individual studies show effectiveness,[50][51][52] the overall evidence is still insufficient evidence to draw clear conclusions on the effectiveness of vaccination.[48][49][53][54]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D_and_influenza#Evidence

A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study published in the March 2010 issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition reported that those in the group of 167 children taking 1,200 international units of vitamin D3 supplements daily in winter were 42% less likely to get infected with seasonal flu than those who were given a placebo.[6][7]






Tantriqu -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/29/2012 12:58:12 PM)

Lots of misinformation already on the thread!
*The flu shot isn't 'ass-covering'; it's to make sure health care professional Typhoid Marys don't give the flu to vulnerable patients or healthy patients with vulnerable family members, as well as to ensure they'll be at their posts during the annual epidemic.
* Don't confuse the old live swine flu with the regular flu shot. The current shots even reduce the risk of getting colds by 50%
* Only a tiny part of your immune system is required to give you immunity to 'flu so there's no such thing as risking decreasing your immunity by having multiple immunisations.
*Remember you're most contagious before you have symptoms, so there's no other way to prevent flu.
* The vitamin D popaganda isn't useful. North American kids Vit D from vitamins and dairy which the Japanese don't, and the trial didn't test vit D versus the flushot. Reminds me of that craptastic 'experiment' with streetkids in India and zinc for colds; they were so starved any supplement made them get better, which was funded by the people who sold zinc in North America! Talk about corrupting science for profit . . .


I always get the 'flu shot as soon as it's available. I work with a lot of parents of young kids, and everyone has been sick since August.





searching4mysir -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/29/2012 1:26:24 PM)

I never get a flu shot. My mother always gets one. She always gets sick after getting one. I almost never get the flu (haven't had it for 15-20 years).

IF the vaccine works, then even if I get the flu, my mother should be immune and not get sick. My lack of being vaccinated shouldn't impact her immunity.




angelikaJ -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/30/2012 10:53:28 AM)

I got mine about 10 days ago.

The only time I have ever gotten the flu after receiving the vaccine was when they missed with the particular strain predictions for that year.




littlewonder -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/30/2012 11:51:43 AM)

I got the flu shot around July. Before then I never had one since I was extremely young. The only reason I got it was because Master and my doctor kept yelling to get it and I was tired of hearing it lol. My doctor was adamant about it since my immunity is not like it used to be with the meds I take now and now that I'm 40.




littlewonder -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/30/2012 11:55:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

I never get a flu shot. My mother always gets one. She always gets sick after getting one. I almost never get the flu (haven't had it for 15-20 years).

IF the vaccine works, then even if I get the flu, my mother should be immune and not get sick. My lack of being vaccinated shouldn't impact her immunity.


What about others other than your mother? You know, at work, the grocery store, any area where immune-deficient people may be?




graceadieu -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/30/2012 3:09:24 PM)

I haven't had the flu once since I started getting flu shots like 5 or 6 years ago. I still get sick, but it's always either something less serious like a head cold or something more serious like bronchitis or inner ear infection.

Which reminds me, does anyone know where you can get the spray version of the vaccine (e.g. Walmart, Walgreens)? My D has a phobia of needles.




lizi -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/30/2012 3:46:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: graceadieu

I haven't had the flu once since I started getting flu shots like 5 or 6 years ago. I still get sick, but it's always either something less serious like a head cold or something more serious like bronchitis or inner ear infection.

Which reminds me, does anyone know where you can get the spray version of the vaccine (e.g. Walmart, Walgreens)? My D has a phobia of needles.


I'll be heading out to get my shot this week sometime and it will be at a major chain. I will ask, and post here, if I find anything out about where to find the spray.




searching4mysir -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/30/2012 3:59:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder


quote:

ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

I never get a flu shot. My mother always gets one. She always gets sick after getting one. I almost never get the flu (haven't had it for 15-20 years).

IF the vaccine works, then even if I get the flu, my mother should be immune and not get sick. My lack of being vaccinated shouldn't impact her immunity.


What about others other than your mother? You know, at work, the grocery store, any area where immune-deficient people may be?



I stay home when I am sick so I don't infect others.


I work for myself at the moment and am pretty much a homebody so I'm rarely out and about. I'm a solitary exerciser, so I don't go to gyms (I'll either use my iPod and go running or I'll do an exercise DVD). I don't play publicly and don't go to munches or events. We have PeaPod in our area, so I can do my grocery shopping at 1 am online if I want to and have it delivered 2 days later (they even accept coupons). I only go to grocery stores when I need something quickly. I even do most of my holiday shopping online. I wash my hands frequently, particularly if outside my own home, so as to be sure that I don't pass something on inadvertently.







hausboy -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/30/2012 5:50:51 PM)

Now is the ideal time to get your flu shot. It takes anywhere from 10-14 days to build up the necessary antibodies after receiving the vaccine, so remember that if you're exposed to anyone sick or infected before your shot (you can catch flu from someone even if they don't exhibit symptoms) or if you are around sick folks for the 2 weeks after, you can still catch flu. So be sure to practice good infection control practices--hand washing, avoid touching your nose/face and keep a distance from those sick.

You can get your flu shot thru March. Generally, we see people with flu thru March, and it then tapers off. The CDC used to tell us not to administer flu vaccine before October, but this year our guidance was to begin as soon as we received our shipment, which was September.

As for the mist: the mist is equally as effective as injection, however if you or your child have any respiratory conditions like asthma, it's contraindicated. Not all physician offices carry mist, so you may have to call around to find it. (you can also check with your local health dept--some do, some don't.) There is a smaller needle available--again, you'll have to call ahead to see if your physician carries it.





hausboy -> RE: best time to get flu shot (9/30/2012 5:58:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

I never get a flu shot. My mother always gets one. She always gets sick after getting one. I almost never get the flu (haven't had it for 15-20 years).

IF the vaccine works, then even if I get the flu, my mother should be immune and not get sick. My lack of being vaccinated shouldn't impact her immunity.


Sorry....but this is a common misconception. The flu vaccine is not a live vaccine--you cannot get sick from the flu shot. It's often the case that people tend to get their shot during flu season, and are exposed to sick folks during the period before and after, while their body is building antibodies.

In addition, you also have to consider that the vaccine has 3 strains of flu--the strains are selected before any epidemiological data is available--based on preliminary data from the Southern Hemisphere, who sees flu long before we do in the states. So there is a bit of guesswork. Some years, they get it right--some years, they miss....and we see a LOT more flu.

Flu viruses are also highly tricky--they mutate significantly. You cannot build immunity to the influenza virus currently--which is why we have to get a flu shot each year. Researchers are working on a vaccine that will protect us just once--like chickenpox--but it's quite a few years away at this point.

I highly encourage everyone to get a flu shot---esp. those over 65, for whom getting influenza can be fatal. Flu can kill those with weakened immune systems, elderly and those with existing medical conditions.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: best time to get flu shot (10/1/2012 2:41:37 AM)

My doctor says to get it around Halloween. I will get it at CVS the next time I get an RX filled.

I had the flu when my son was a baby. It laid me down for a week, and took weeks for me to get back to normal. Running a 103 fever and feeling like I have been beat with a ball bat is not something I ever want to experience again, so I get the shot.

Folks who are sick for a day or two, and say they had the flu, are wrong.




searching4mysir -> RE: best time to get flu shot (10/1/2012 4:53:50 AM)

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The flu vaccine is not a live vaccine--you cannot get sick from the flu shot.


I didn't say she got the flu, I said she got sick. She always does, every year. Maybe her immune system is weakened just before she got the shot and picked up something else at the flu clinic she helps out at before getting her shot, but she gets a mild fever and cold symptoms starting that day (and lasting for several days) EVERY YEAR.

I just can't be bothered with something that is hit-or-miss on whether or not they got the right strains. I'm needle phobic to begin with and I'm not going to put myself through the anxiety attack for something that I consider unnecessary FOR ME. Is it unnecessary for everyone? Nope. It does have value for the elderly and those with chronic conditions. I'm not one of them.

I'm not a big pro-vaccination person to begin with. IF I have children, they will be on a delayed schedule, getting only one at a time, and not all of them (for ethical reasons due to how they were created).




angelikaJ -> RE: best time to get flu shot (10/1/2012 6:18:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

quote:

The flu vaccine is not a live vaccine--you cannot get sick from the flu shot.


I didn't say she got the flu, I said she got sick. She always does, every year. Maybe her immune system is weakened just before she got the shot and picked up something else at the flu clinic she helps out at before getting her shot, but she gets a mild fever and cold symptoms starting that day (and lasting for several days) EVERY YEAR.

I just can't be bothered with something that is hit-or-miss on whether or not they got the right strains. I'm needle phobic to begin with and I'm not going to put myself through the anxiety attack for something that I consider unnecessary FOR ME. Is it unnecessary for everyone? Nope. It does have value for the elderly and those with chronic conditions. I'm not one of them.

I'm not a big pro-vaccination person to begin with. IF I have children, they will be on a delayed schedule, getting only one at a time, and not all of them (for ethical reasons due to how they were created).



Vaccine Side Effects (What to Expect)
Different side effects can be associated with the flu shot and LAIV.
The flu shot: The viruses in the flu shot are killed (inactivated), so you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. Some minor side effects that could occur are:

Soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given
Fever (low grade)
Aches
If these problems occur, they begin soon after the shot and usually last 1 to 2 days.

Basically, it is not an "illness" but the vaccine starting to stimulate an immune response.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm

As for it not matching:
In 18 of the last 22 U.S. influenza seasons the viruses in the influenza vaccine have been well matched to the predominant circulating viruses. Since 1990, there has only been one season (1997-98) when there was very low cross-reaction between the viruses in the seasonal vaccine and the predominant circulating virus, and three seasons (1992-93, 2003-04, and 2007-08) when there was low cross-reaction.
(from the same article)

The goal with vaccinating as many as possible is community immunity.




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