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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 3:46:02 PM

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I don't hate the US;)

Did I say I gave a fuck?
Please tell Quazi Mohammad's mom he won't be home for dinner.... He's busy whooping ass on the Americans

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 3:50:23 PM

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who's poor friend;) go find a job...

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 3:52:07 PM

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The only way China or N Korea has to counter the US technological superiority is the use of chemical and nuclear weapons which they won't use since they cannot strike the mainland US and the US can strike back anywhere. This is why China has never crossed the strait of Taiwan.

I'm not sure what you mean here... are you asserting that China doesn't have missiles with sufficient range to hit mainland USA?

In that case, I (along with the DOD) think you're wrong.

They do not have missiles with sufficient range to hit all of the mainland US except the DF-5A and DF-31A series and they deploy very few of those (perhaps a dozen of each). They can strike the west coast and maybe the midwest with the rest of their arsenal (DF-4 and DF-31 missiles mostly). The DF-5A missiles are brought out into the open air and fueled before launching, a 2 hour operations. It is safe to assume we would see that happening and strike most/all of those launch vehicles long before they could be fully fueled and launched.

Right... so just to be clear... you agree that the statement "Chinna cannot strike mainland US" is... let's just say 'completely wrong' right?

And.... when you say "it is safe to assume we would see that happening"... do you imagine you could get sat-int on the whole of china in two hours? <chortle>

They cannot strike the mainland US because any strike that is not a full on destruction of the country, and China cannot do that, results in their utter annihilation.

The Df-5A's are housed in mountainside caves. We know which ones and where. I'm beyond certain we have eyes on those cave mouths 24/7.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 3:52:19 PM

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Well i was thinking that you could have some braincells left but.... you uneducated americans are really stupid as shit;)

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 3:55:15 PM

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I'm wondering for how long.... when China gets its fleet done it would not be that hard anymore to attack and conquer the US if they would do that....;)

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 4:07:18 PM

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i am from iran

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 4:09:12 PM

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Good for you;)

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 4:10:21 PM

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where are you from?

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 4:14:44 PM

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I'm wondering for how long.... when China gets its fleet done it would not be that hard anymore to attack and conquer the US if they would do that....;)

What?

China has been trying to launch a single carrier they bought from the Russians for better than a decade. The ex Varyag is just now undergoing sea trials. China has talked about building perhaps 2 more even those would have to be based on bought from abroad plans. They are also attempting to develop a naval jet fighter, no easy task with no background in the requirements.

This compares to the US which has 10 active Carriers and one kept in reserve as a training ship and 80 years of experience building and operating carrier aircraft. Any attempt to cross the Pacific to attack the US with such a small force would simply result in lots of sunk Chinese ships and dead Chinese sailors. it will be 30 or 40 years, assuming an aggressive shipbuilding program by the PLAN, before the Chinese can hope to challenge the US on the open ocean.

As to invading and conquering the US, we'd make the nastiest insurgencies of history look like a tea party. There are millions of veterans with combat training and experience living throught out the nation alongside millions of people who just like guns and shooting. The Ozarks and the Appalachians would be essentially impossible to pacify. An invaders only option would be to nuke whole swaths of the country which makes conquest pretty pointless.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 4:20:29 PM

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The Netherlands:)

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 4:29:20 PM

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That aircraft carrier they bought is just for practice, China is developing its own aircraftcarriers together with Russia, and Russia knows how to build such stuff;)

True it would take some years before something like that would be possible, but it will be one day...

People that like shooting will be no match;) i heard lots of americans say this but its all talk... regular people aren't going to do anything against trained soldiers, simple as that... but i can't deny that it would be one hell of an war and if China should succeed to conquer the US it would take a lot of years before they the peace would be restored up there...

I don't believe such thing will happen, but it could be possible...

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 4:56:18 PM

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If any superpower gets in a battle with us, their first move would be to knock out our military sattellites with conventional missles, leaving us deaf, dumb, and blind.

Do you mean dumb or dumber........

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 5:17:10 PM

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Errm... Gross External Debt per capita is a ridiculous measure of national debt, on account of it being grossly distorted by the presence of a banking sector.

I agree the "banking sector" is responsible for much of the external debt, but not that the external debt to gdp is a ridiculous measure.

This is not a measure of "national debt" for "national debt" is merely what the government of a country owes. Some countries have their national debt owed in large part to the people in their own countries. This external debt describes how much money is owed by a country to other countries. the comparison scales it to the amount a country's GDP produces in a year.

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Note that while a country may have a relatively large external debt (either in absolute or per capita terms), it could be a "net international creditor" if its external debt is less than the total of the external debt of other countries held by it. For example, Luxembourg, Switzerland, and China are net international creditors.

But since many others including the EU, the UN, the OCED, the ECB and the economic press also consider this computation a valid comparison, just where do you see the flaw besides how various banking organizations being largely responsible for the offshore loans?

search for "external debt to ppp" (PPP is GDP per capita in essence) or "external debt to gdp" and you will see millions of results.

Even Wiki is obliged to produce a table and add the information as to how this external debt compares to a nations gdp and ppp - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

But what do you think is a better measure of how broke a country is then how much it owes outside its borders compared to its yearly production?

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 5:24:08 PM

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North Korea has more than 9 million soldiers, they have the capability to ship half a million soldiers.... so yes i'm sure they'll help Iran directly.
Russia is going to interfere for sure, it would be the same as for example China invading Mexico... its not even questionable if the US would interfere there.... and so it will be with Russia and Iran.
China will take its chance to become the next superpower, the US already is losing lots of its power, and with Russia involved China won't leave this open chance.

If the United States ever (at least for the next 15 - 20 years) got into a war with Iran, regardless of whether Israel was involved or not.....every other country on the planet (that wasn't our "Pal") would make a gigantor stink in the press, raise their sabres and threaten all kinds of shit storm and then they'd go back to doing whatever they were doing the morning before and quietly go about their business.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 5:25:21 PM

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That aircraft carrier they bought is just for practice, China is developing its own aircraftcarriers together with Russia, and Russia knows how to build such stuff;)

The Russians have built one operational carrier. The Kuznetsov. The Varyag was the uncompleted sister of that ship. the Russians built 4 carrier/cruser hybrids (the Kiev class) which were little more than novelties. They flew the equivalent of the Harriers (Yak-38's).

The Russians will be of little help building a blue water carrier.

Maybe you should know a little about the matters you post about?

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 5:31:37 PM

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Go follow some news please;) those times are over friend....

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 5:33:14 PM

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If any superpower gets in a battle with us, their first move would be to knock out our military sattellites with conventional missles, leaving us deaf, dumb, and blind.

Do you mean dumb or dumber........

Don't worry, when the Russian's get involved due to the mutual defense treaty they have with China, they will use two of their MIRVed rockets to deploy the requisite 18 warheads needed to reduce the UK to the stone age as well as savaging the US. (it takes about 200 warheads to sufficiently trash the United States and three deployed correctly to wreck Israel.)

Notice the advocates of this proposed Isrealite madness are already discussing WW3 as the normal expected outcome. I am certain Chicago would be heavily targeted, but Domken is quite willing to die in furtherance of greater Israel.

Of course this madness is condemned much as some drunk would be restrained by his friends if he had a bag of grenades and planned to hold court with the National Police.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 5:33:42 PM

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I know enough of the matters what i post;)

You may and can say wathever you want but besides aircrafts Russia is still no.1 in building military stuff;)

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 5:46:26 PM

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I know enough of the matters what i post;)

You may and can say wathever you want but besides aircrafts Russia is still no.1 in building military stuff;)

The Russians will probably delegate a MIRVed rocket on your dikes as punishment for being Dutch warmongers.

That is what I would do if I were them anyway to in efforts hurt the EU in this Armageddon that will occur.

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RE: Iran VS Israel - 10/17/2012 5:49:56 PM

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I really wouldn't care if they did;)

The Netherlands is a crap counry... and i wouldn't care if i would die.... times come and times go;)

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