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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 6:36:58 AM

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 7:41:29 AM

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 8:20:48 AM

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I am glad that it turned out as it did.

As to the question .. what would I do in this situation?

When I lived in CA and owned my store I got licensed to carry a weapon. Then a situation came up and I had to ask myself if I was willing to KILL someone over money, over things. I wasn't. To protect myself and family from harm of course but to keep a deposit bag or stop someone from stealing my ex-husbands show car. Hell no! A life even the life of a criminal is worth more than THAT IMO. I realized I couldn't live with myself if I took a life to keep stuff.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 8:32:35 AM

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Congrats Dusky!!

Your amazement at the clearness of your thinking doesn't surprise me at all. If we all listened to our gut more often, I think we'd all be safer.

Question, You said you thought it might be another animal. Do you normally carry when you investigate for animals thru the pet door? Your intuition flew at warp speed and you KNEW.

ETA: I bet it took a loooooooooong time to come down from that adrenaline rush!!

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 8:36:32 AM

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I am glad that it turned out as it did.

As to the question .. what would I do in this situation?

When I lived in CA and owned my store I got licensed to carry a weapon. Then a situation came up and I had to ask myself if I was willing to KILL someone over money, over things. I wasn't. To protect myself and family from harm of course but to keep a deposit bag or stop someone from stealing my ex-husbands show car. Hell no! A life even the life of a criminal is worth more than THAT IMO. I realized I couldn't live with myself if I took a life to keep stuff.

Master and I were walking out of a club around 1am. Two guys walked up to us and demanded our "stuff". Master stuffed me behind him and that gangbanger, piece of shit put the muzzle of his gun against Master's forehead. We were lucky, they decided that they were just happy with robbing us. They could have just as easily decided to kill him or both of us for fun even though we handed everything over.

The problem with someone that is pointing a gun at you to steal possessions is that they've already decided that they're willing to do you harm to take your possessions. There is no guarantee that they're going to stop with just taking possessions. That's a direct threat to safety and life. I'm not willing to take the gamble of whether they'll pull the trigger or not.

Oh and for the record, for all of you who think I get all gooey over Master too much. He's proven that he'd be willing to take a bullet for me.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 8:41:50 AM

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Wow, thats crazy!
Glad you handled it so well!

*no idea what I would have done, I am the same
as far as, if I hear something I'll grab a torch and
my SRK.
But never been in a face off like that...
If I had to guess, I would probably have shot him
soon as I noticed the gun.
But since I don't have a gun it's moot.
You did good dusky!*

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 9:09:36 AM

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Congrats Dusky!!

Your amazement at the clearness of your thinking doesn't surprise me at all. If we all listened to our gut more often, I think we'd all be safer.

Do you normally carry when you investigate for animals thru the pet door? Your intuition flew at warp speed and you KNEW.

ETA: I bet it took a loooooooooong time to come down from that adrenaline rush!!

That is the point, hlen, from previous experiences, my mind concluded it must be an animal, and no, I have NEVER felt called to take my gun with me when suspecting/knowing it was an animal. It is fascinating to me that in spite of what my mind thought, my intuition protected me by making my body pick up, cock (before leaving my bed), and point the gun into the room before even peeking around the corner. Thank Heaven's for that intuition! I think it deserves a cookie or two.

Oddly enough, it did not take long to come down from the rush at all, and I was pleasantly surprised by that.

Believe me, everyone, I know just how lucky I was. I had no way of knowing he would back down from our Mexican Standoff. Had he come to burgle, rape, torture or kill, he might not have. His goal was to hide from, and evade, police, who were two houses away, tho' I did not know that at the time. At most, the entire incident lasted maybe 10 seconds at most, but talk about the Wild Wild West!

I hope, if I'm ever put into a similar situation, I will shoot first and ask questions later. Why I didn't do it this time, I do not know. Was it inexperience, was it intuition, was it something else? I dunno, I just feel awfully damned lucky, and know I was being looked after and protected. It could have gone really bad. Yep, I'm a lucky Buckarette, alright!

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 9:17:40 AM

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I'm glad you did NOT shoot. You are whole and undamaged, minus some adrenaline. Not only that, you now have confidence you can handle such an event. Maybe that guy's probably worst night ever scared him straight.

You can't un-kill somebody.

For a better clarification of your intuition being perfect, please read the book "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin DeBecker. It's a real education!

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 9:40:46 AM

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I'm glad you did NOT shoot. You are whole and undamaged, minus some adrenaline. Not only that, you now have confidence you can handle such an event. Maybe that guy's probably worst night ever scared him straight.

You can't un-kill somebody.

For a better clarification of your intuition being perfect, please read the book "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin DeBecker. It's a real education!

That's what I'm thinkin'. I'll be honest with you, tho', at the moment it was happening, my body actually anticipated and felt what might happen, and what it would be/feel like if he did start shooting. I don't know how to explain it, but it did. It's amazing what went through my mind and body with such incredible speed! I am in awe of it. I am in awe of the final outcome. As far as I'm concerned, it couldn't have been better. Anyway, who wants to clean up all that blood and guts. It'd have made a mess of all my papers on my desk, and I would have had to deal with the possible mental, emotional, spiritual and physical fallout of that scenario. Thanks, but I'm happy with how it played out.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 9:43:05 AM

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Good!

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 10:23:58 AM

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[...] They could have just as easily decided to kill him or both of us for fun even though we handed everything over. [...]

Hardly. If that were their intention, they would've shot you first and then searched you for the goods, most likely. The average robber is prepared to threaten to shoot, and perhaps prepared to shoot if you become a threat yourself. The average robber is not prepared to commit cold blooded murder, and doesn't need to be, because the average victim will not be prepared to resist a threat in the first place. Body language usually reveals this, but not always.

I'm in no way diminishing what your Master did, just pointing out that most of the time, it will work fine to just walk away. The response to that will likely to be stunned until you're already too far away to be an easy target, and then go looking for someone else (the next victim will probably be a success, after all). But, yes, as you say, it's a gamble, and one most will not make, which is why armed robbery is low risk and has a high success rate.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 10:28:54 AM

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I'm glad you did NOT shoot. You are whole and undamaged, minus some adrenaline. Not only that, you now have confidence you can handle such an event. Maybe that guy's probably worst night ever scared him straight.

You can't un-kill somebody.

For a better clarification of your intuition being perfect, please read the book "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin DeBecker. It's a real education!

That's what I'm thinkin'. I'll be honest with you, tho', at the moment it was happening, my body actually anticipated and felt what might happen, and what it would be/feel like if he did start shooting. I don't know how to explain it, but it did. It's amazing what went through my mind and body with such incredible speed! I am in awe of it. I am in awe of the final outcome. As far as I'm concerned, it couldn't have been better. Anyway, who wants to clean up all that blood and guts. It'd have made a mess of all my papers on my desk, and I would have had to deal with the possible mental, emotional, spiritual and physical fallout of that scenario. Thanks, but I'm happy with how it played out.

Yes, as I mentioned to you in mail, there is all that fallout from shooting someone in your own home, not to mention the crazy mail you get from the public.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 10:31:10 AM

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Was it inexperience, was it intuition, was it something else?

How are you with body language and sensing emotions when looking at people?

He was almost certainly not ready to kill you, emotionally. He was there to hide. Wrong mindspace. Takes a while to change frame of mind, and you were "already there", so you may simply have intuited that he didn't constitute a major risk at that point. Did you feel him caving or folding before he ran, for instance? A dissipation of the tension before the situation was articulably resolved?

Just such a question is what prompted Paul Ekman to start investigating facial expressions.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 10:32:48 AM

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[...] They could have just as easily decided to kill him or both of us for fun even though we handed everything over. [...]

Hardly. If that were their intention, they would've shot you first and then searched you for the goods, most likely. The average robber is prepared to threaten to shoot, and perhaps prepared to shoot if you become a threat yourself. The average robber is not prepared to commit cold blooded murder, and doesn't need to be, because the average victim will not be prepared to resist a threat in the first place. Body language usually reveals this, but not always.

The average robber isn't usually wearing gang colors either. You're talking about organizations that commit murders as a normal business day. They kill for fun.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 10:42:54 AM

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Was it inexperience, was it intuition, was it something else?

How are you with body language and sensing emotions when looking at people?

He was almost certainly not ready to kill you, emotionally. He was there to hide. Wrong mindspace. Takes a while to change frame of mind, and you were "already there", so you may simply have intuited that he didn't constitute a major risk at that point. Did you feel him caving or folding before he ran, for instance? A dissipation of the tension before the situation was articulably resolved?

Just such a question is what prompted Paul Ekman to start investigating facial expressions.

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Excellent and prescient question, A. I tend to be SO sensitive to the feelings, thoughts, moods and physical maladies of others, it is often to my own detriment, as it can be hard to discern theirs from mine. I am an excellent face and body reader, and ALWAYS know when I am being lied to, no matter how skilled the liar.

Truth be told, my complete and devoted attention was on his gun, and what he was or wasn't going to do with it. I only got a vague, overall impression of what he physically looked like. I never actually looked at his face. I do know he had a light colored, woolish-like, winter hat on his head that only came down as far as about mid-forehead. The police later confirmed that fact when they got reports of a fellow w/that kind of hat running through the neighborhood.

How much my reading skills factored into the outcome, I don't know if I'll ever know. It all happened, and was over, so fast. It could have been just plain ole dumb luck, for all I know.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 12:11:51 PM

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I am so sorry for your experience.

I will never condone gun ownership here is why

USA 300million v Scotland 5 million (Population factorx60)
homicides 13 000 v 9 (540)
suicides 16 000 v 16 (960)
unintentional 717 v 1 (60)

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 12:25:18 PM

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I will never condone gun ownership here is why

USA 300million v Scotland 5 million (Population factorx60)
homicides 13 000 v 9 (540)
suicides 16 000 v 16 (960)
unintentional 717 v 1 (60)

How many of those death are due to guns?

It just goes to show that many people in the USA are no civilized persons, but either animals or very sick people. (Suicides are committed almost exclusively by crazy people; murders are committed by animals.)

If a population is genuinely civilized, everybody could have a gun and no-one would be murdered (nor by a gun nor by any other means).

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 12:53:34 PM

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Where do you all stand on the gun issue? Does my story in any way change or strengthen an opinion you already had? That's what I'm curious about.

While I think this situation turned out perfectly, it does not change my opinion that the US is a nation with too many guns and not enough gun control.

After hearing your story, I am more inclined to get a dog, though.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 1:38:00 PM

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I am so sorry for your experience.

I will never condone gun ownership here is why

USA 300million v Scotland 5 million (Population factorx60)
homicides 13 000 v 9 (540)
suicides 16 000 v 16 (960)
unintentional 717 v 1 (60)

More people die in drunk driving accidents than murder by gun.

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While I think this situation turned out perfectly, it does not change my opinion that the US is a nation with too many guns and not enough gun control.

Which would mean that the intruder would have STILL had a gun and she would have been unarmed. Criminals don't care about laws.....

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/9/2012 2:03:40 PM

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I am glad for Dusky but concerned about the 32,000 deaths and twice that of injuries that happen each year.

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