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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

We, the people, will not let these states suceed peaceably unless the following conditions are met:

1.  Any federal monies in excess of those paid in are to be repaid at interest and before sucession. 
2.  All federal roads, bridges and appurtenances,  are to be removed from entry and exit and through out your state, and returned to us in usable condition.
3.  Any airwaves are to be blocked from entering or exiting your state, at your cost and the plan approved by the Federal government.
4.  All federal reservations are to be bought by the state at fair market value, and paid with interest before sucession.

And that is just a small start on what you suceeders have to do.  Or we go right to the nukes.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Great piece from Phoenix New Times



http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/11/attention_arizona_secessionist.php



Peels the onion back a little and explores just exactly what`s involved with Az seceding.

"What the hell do you name it?

Listen, forget the logistics of the whole thing, since it's obvious nobody thought that far ahead. That said, why hasn't anybody picked a name for your new country? Suggestions from our readers thus far include "Dumbastistan," "State of Shitforbrainsylvania," "The Republikkk of Dumbfuckistan." Also, make sure you retain a sculptor throughout the movement, so he can erect that J.T. Ready statue outside the new capitol".

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

We, the people, will not let these states suceed peaceably unless the following conditions are met:

1.  Any federal monies in excess of those paid in are to be repaid at interest and before sucession. 
2.  All federal roads, bridges and appurtenances,  are to be removed from entry and exit and through out your state, and returned to us in usable condition.
3.  Any airwaves are to be blocked from entering or exiting your state, at your cost and the plan approved by the Federal government.
4.  All federal reservations are to be bought by the state at fair market value, and paid with interest before sucession.

And that is just a small start on what you suceeders have to do.  Or we go right to the nukes.

izzat really the law?

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Great piece from Phoenix New Times



http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/11/attention_arizona_secessionist.php



Peels the onion back a little and explores just exactly what`s involved with Az seceding.

"What the hell do you name it?

Listen, forget the logistics of the whole thing, since it's obvious nobody thought that far ahead. That said, why hasn't anybody picked a name for your new country? Suggestions from our readers thus far include "Dumbastistan," "State of Shitforbrainsylvania," "The Republikkk of Dumbfuckistan." Also, make sure you retain a sculptor throughout the movement, so he can erect that J.T. Ready statue outside the new capitol".

If Arizona secedes, though, it would give an opportunity for the movement for "Baja Arizona" to secede from Arizona and stay within the United States.

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ORIGINAL: graceadieu

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
The real danger is in that the left assumes that those who do not want as they do will quietly acquiesce.

....?
We live in a democracy, in case you've forgotten. Majority rule. If your party loses, then you suck it up and try again next time. And if you win then, your opponent needs to step down gracefully and accept that, too.
If the response to losing an election is for the losers to take up arms and forcibly refuse to accept the outcome, that's the end of democracy in this country. Our form of government only works because we've all agreed not to do that kind of thing.

Just a point of order here... we live in a republic, not a democracy. We are not simply a "majority rules," or "winner take all" system. The secession kick isn't about losing an election, it's about the perception that the America of the US Constitution is being lost. The America of the US Constitution is something to take up arms and forcibly protect.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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It's entertaining to see the Leftists say 'go, leave" to the Separatists. The parasites telling their host to go is majorly hysterical. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: graceadieu

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: graceadieu

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
The real danger is in that the left assumes that those who do not want as they do will quietly acquiesce.

....?
We live in a democracy, in case you've forgotten. Majority rule. If your party loses, then you suck it up and try again next time. And if you win then, your opponent needs to step down gracefully and accept that, too.
If the response to losing an election is for the losers to take up arms and forcibly refuse to accept the outcome, that's the end of democracy in this country. Our form of government only works because we've all agreed not to do that kind of thing.

Just a point of order here... we live in a republic, not a democracy. We are not simply a "majority rules," or "winner take all" system. The secession kick isn't about losing an election, it's about the perception that the America of the US Constitution is being lost. The America of the US Constitution is something to take up arms and forcibly protect.

And what, exactly, is "the America of the US Constitution"? The one where blacks are 3/5 of a person and only white male property owners can vote?

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The Constitution and Bill of Rights are living documents, open to interpretation. How they're interpreted by the Supreme Court and followed by Congress and the Executive branch have been changing and evolving for over 200 years, as the world changes and new challenges and questions arise. Getting up in arms now because our government and laws aren't the same as they were in 1789 is absurd.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Government is playing by the rules, cuz they make them.

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perceptions are asswipe.  nobody wants to be nuked for faulty perception, do they?

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Yeah, and fuck that constitution, don't copy it when you write yours, or by god we will def throw down on your ass.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: graceadieu

The Constitution and Bill of Rights are living documents, open to interpretation. How they're interpreted by the Supreme Court and followed by Congress and the Executive branch have been changing and evolving for over 200 years, as the world changes and new challenges and questions arise. Getting up in arms now because our government and laws aren't the same as they were in 1789 is absurd.

"Living" document? Not really. Amendable? Certainly. Was it designed to be changed simply by changing interpretation? I highly doubt it. Basing a system of laws on something that can be changed simply by time's alteration of word usage is probably one of the dumbest ideas ever.

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Regardless of how the times change, the US Constitution can be followed according to the original interpretations of how it was written (including the Amendments since passed).