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Switches - Contribute Thoughts, Please? - 11/15/2012 3:45:04 PM   
theSwan


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Thanks in advance for checking in with this.

Switches hold this interesting and special kind of place in my passion for human dynamics.
And I want to ask some opinions for those who are passionate and/or find real satisfaction in switching.

The way I've come to understand domination, submission, and all of these places in-between..
No one person is entirely dominant or entirely submissive.

Many dominants I've known have made excellent followers during times in which it was required of them or they were inspired to follow.
Many submissives can make excellent leaders.

Everyone has something in life that they obey.
Laws, being a frequent example.

And everyone has something in life that they serve.
For many dominants, they serve their ideals or dreams.
Some serve God, some serve progress and growth.

It's all about what they live for.
Some are slave to their addictions.

I don't know any submissives who are submissive to everything and anyone.
So, under those understandings, I've recognized that dominants submit to something and submissives assert against things as well.

What generally seems to label someone as a dominant or submissive is what role they ultimately desire to spend more time in.
Dominants want to lead a relationship, submissives want to be led.

Many people I know, while fully capable of living both roles, have one role which they know will ultimately satisfy them.

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With switches--

Actually no, please read that as..
For you, as I know it is going to be different for many different people.

Is it that your desire is so flexible and sensitive that it can be inspired in radically different directions depending on the person?

Is it that you are passionate about being whatever fits the situation best - Passionate and driven about being the puzzle piece that completes the image?

Is it that you crave the diversity of being sought after for leadership, paired with the contrast of being driven towards service?

Do you have a standing preference as to whether you lead or follow and, if so, what makes holding onto the other 'side' worth it to you?
To be more clear, if you strongly prefer to follow/submit but continue to identify as a switch.
Why? Because you are a gifted leader? Or because the desire to lead, though not as strong, is still a real enough part of your person to require sating?

I would love and be grateful for any insight that you could share with me.
I'm always working to understand people better and I believe that opinions on this subject matter could broaden my understanding.

I do realize that similar questions have been asked and I would like to apologize now if this is a worn out question.

Once again, thank you.
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RE: Switches - Contribute Thoughts, Please? - 11/15/2012 4:03:23 PM   
absolutchocolat


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i picked the label "switch" because i am kinky in general and this site has rather limited options as far as self-labeling goes. there are things i love about being a domme and things i love about being a submissive, and i enjoy the flexibility of being able to float in between the two.

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RE: Switches - Contribute Thoughts, Please? - 11/16/2012 7:48:44 AM   
theSwan


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Thanks for your reply! It makes sense that there would be a distinction for people who just enjoy the act of creative sex in its many variations. In that way, I could imagine how your preferences would be more about activities than about 'sides'.

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RE: Switches - Contribute Thoughts, Please? - 11/16/2012 9:22:38 AM   
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Is it that your desire is so flexible and sensitive that it can be inspired in radically different directions depending on the person?

The first part of your question fits me perfectly. It doesn't depend on the person though. I simply like and enjoy a lot of things. I can also find enjoyment in things I may not like the first time around by looking at it differently. Because of my ability to be flexible in that way, I find many aspects of both sides appealing. I love feeling powerless when someone is beating on me, and I love that sense of power that comes when someone is at my feet.

Is it that you are passionate about being whatever fits the situation best - Passionate and driven about being the puzzle piece that completes the image?

This is actually why I became a switch. I started as a sub, and especially as a bottom. My boy is submissive, generally, so I stepped in to fill the role that he desired. It's very helpful for us that he switches too, so all of our desires can be met with each other, as neither of us are big on the public scene or playing with others. That's all general though, I can and have played with others, it just feel different sometimes, if that makes sense.

Is it that you crave the diversity of being sought after for leadership, paired with the contrast of being driven towards service?

Not really in those terms, no. I am leader in that I know exactly how I want things to be done, and can lead others into doing them. On the other hand, I also see places where something is lacking and have a need to fill the lack, or to point it out, and find solutions for it. When something isn't working 100%, I want to do something about it, whether in a leadership role or a service role, it depends on what it is.

Do you have a standing preference as to whether you lead or follow and, if so, what makes holding onto the other 'side' worth it to you?
To be more clear, if you strongly prefer to follow/submit but continue to identify as a switch.
Why? Because you are a gifted leader? Or because the desire to lead, though not as strong, is still a real enough part of your person to require sating?

My very base love of BDSM is because I'm a masochist/bottom, so when you strip it down, I don't need to lead or follow, as long as I'm getting the beatings I desire. The enjoyment of both sides doesn't derive solely (or even mostly) from leading or following, but the energy that occurs when the dynamic is in place. That energy exists when I'm leading or following, so both work for me.

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RE: Switches - Contribute Thoughts, Please? - 11/16/2012 4:40:18 PM   
theSwan


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quote:


The first part of your question fits me perfectly. It doesn't depend on the person though. I simply like and enjoy a lot of things. I can also find enjoyment in things I may not like the first time around by looking at it differently. Because of my ability to be flexible in that way, I find many aspects of both sides appealing. I love feeling powerless when someone is beating on me, and I love that sense of power that comes when someone is at my feet.


This makes sense to me.
When I think about the idea of an activity, like going to see a movie.
I can desire to be humored and then I can want to be frightened.
That is independent of who I'm with.

It's more like being able to enjoy a variety of music or enjoy a variety of food, if I understand properly.

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This is actually why I became a switch. I started as a sub, and especially as a bottom. My boy is submissive, generally, so I stepped in to fill the role that he desired. It's very helpful for us that he switches too, so all of our desires can be met with each other, as neither of us are big on the public scene or playing with others. That's all general though, I can and have played with others, it just feel different sometimes, if that makes sense.


If you would indulge more questions, please.
In this case.
Do you feel that, in an alternate reality, if you were purely a bottom and he were purely a top.
That you would be a better bottom and he would be a better top?
Or do you feel that you both gain something from the experience of understanding and working with the other side?

I can kind of see the argument both ways.
You get better at what you practice.
But the understanding of what it is like to be the other person may just be an insight that can't be replaced with practice?

quote:


My very base love of BDSM is because I'm a masochist/bottom, so when you strip it down, I don't need to lead or follow, as long as I'm getting the beatings I desire. The enjoyment of both sides doesn't derive solely (or even mostly) from leading or following, but the energy that occurs when the dynamic is in place. That energy exists when I'm leading or following, so both work for me.


Starting as a submissive/bottom, what was it like to make the transition to topping initially?
Had you already engaged in that kind of experimentation before?
The first time you took a more dominant role with your boy, what did that feel like?

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RE: Switches - Contribute Thoughts, Please? - 11/19/2012 10:09:21 PM   
Reform


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quote:

This makes sense to me.
When I think about the idea of an activity, like going to see a movie.
I can desire to be humored and then I can want to be frightened.
That is independent of who I'm with.
It's more like being able to enjoy a variety of music or enjoy a variety of food, if I understand properly.


Yes, exactly.

quote:

If you would indulge more questions, please.
In this case.
Do you feel that, in an alternate reality, if you were purely a bottom and he were purely a top.
That you would be a better bottom and he would be a better top?
Or do you feel that you both gain something from the experience of understanding and working with the other side?


I'll counter your question with another: What makes a top/bottom better than another? Would I have a deeper understanding of certain activities? Would I already have learned how to wield/take a bull whip? Who knows? I'd like to think that playing both sides has helped me to better understand myself, the roles I take up when I play, and why. I don't know what that means on a scale of who's "better" at BDSM.

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I can kind of see the argument both ways.
You get better at what you practice.
But the understanding of what it is like to be the other person may just be an insight that can't be replaced with practice?


I can see it both ways too, but it comes down to not caring to measure it that way. I practice both, sometimes in the same scene, so I wouldn't really agree that being a switch means you practice less than someone else. I'd say hardly playing means you have less practice. Being on the other side hasn't really improved my understanding of each side, because what I like is different on both sides (hopefully that made sense). Because I prefer different things, I've actually learned more; if I hadn't tried the other side, I'd never have learned to do or appreciate a number of things.

quote:

Starting as a submissive/bottom, what was it like to make the transition to topping initially?
Had you already engaged in that kind of experimentation before?
The first time you took a more dominant role with your boy, what did that feel like?


I was very nervous and hesitant. Kind of at a loss of what to do. I began to look at it differently; a lot of BDSM is mental in nature, so all I had to do was change my way of thinking at (interpreting) a certain way of acting (the role). I hadn't experimented with being dominant before, but I was a very domineering and rough-playing child. It helped that I could reflect on why I enjoyed that, why I didn't anymore, and how I could again. And it really helped once I started figuring out things I enjoyed while topping.

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RE: Switches - Contribute Thoughts, Please? - 11/21/2012 1:52:24 PM   
theSwan


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quote:

I'll counter your question with another: What makes a top/bottom better than another? Would I have a deeper understanding of certain activities? Would I already have learned how to wield/take a bull whip? Who knows? I'd like to think that playing both sides has helped me to better understand myself, the roles I take up when I play, and why. I don't know what that means on a scale of who's "better" at BDSM.


Ultimately, I do follow the belief that having experienced both sides of anything makes you better in a way that practice at performing a task never does.
A chef who also eats out frequently in their field of expertise will receive new ideas and inspiration.
Managers who spend time as subordinates learn what does and does not motivate them.
Those experiences can yield results that living a life without them may never yield.

Practice is more the required, basic, (and even obvious) act of doing.

You mention that it gives you a better understanding of yourself.
I would consider that an experience that would be hard to gain without having experienced the things that you have.
Developing yourself makes you more powerful at doing anything.

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If I would take a shot at what makes a better sexual partner in any circumstance.
It would be a reservoir of skills or talents.
Which gives them a variety of options and tools to reach for.

Because, even if you know what someone is craving.
Without the ability to perform that, reaching for substitutes is never the best option.

It would be the ability to understand or 'read' their partner, so they can create the magic of giving what is desired without words.
It would be attractiveness, in all varieties.
Body.
Mind. (An attractive mind can both yield in beautiful ways, as well as create beautiful experiences.)

I do believe in things being better or worse than each other.
Even though better and worse is very specific to each instance and each person.
I believe also, however, that I don't have the expertise to define what a better (on average across the scope of this lifestyle) sexual partner might have over a worse one.

Thank you for your responses!

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RE: Switches - Contribute Thoughts, Please? - 12/18/2012 12:32:09 PM   
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as a sub it is always good to feel the things you inflict as a dom. If you hate it as a sub you seem to like it more when you dom, It always seems as a switch you are always thinking of the opposing side of a good session


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RE: Switches - Contribute Thoughts, Please? - 12/18/2012 1:41:50 PM   
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Same with me it helped me to get to know more about myself and learning new things. I also started out as a total submissive but did not understand when at times I initially got into trouble from from my first Dominate. It was latter I learned that I was a switch and had the need to experience the other side. When I learned this and then embraced it I began to grow. Since then I felt much better about myself. Now Like the other person also mentioned I remember being nervous about the first time I was top. I enjoy learning about other things, and exploring new ideas.

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RE: Switches - Contribute Thoughts, Please? - 12/18/2012 2:34:42 PM   
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I am a dual natured person, always have been, always will be. That I have both a dominant and submissive side is not a surprise at all to anyone who knows me.

It's not a choice I made, BTW, it's who I am.

I relate to the term switch precisely b/c it is so misunderstood.

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RE: Switches - Contribute Thoughts, Please? - 12/18/2012 3:19:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: theSwan



. . .

With switches--

Actually no, please read that as..
For you, as I know it is going to be different for many different people.

Is it that your desire is so flexible and sensitive that it can be inspired in radically different directions depending on the person?

Is it that you are passionate about being whatever fits the situation best - Passionate and driven about being the puzzle piece that completes the image?

Is it that you crave the diversity of being sought after for leadership, paired with the contrast of being driven towards service?

Do you have a standing preference as to whether you lead or follow and, if so, what makes holding onto the other 'side' worth it to you?
To be more clear, if you strongly prefer to follow/submit but continue to identify as a switch.
Why? Because you are a gifted leader? Or because the desire to lead, though not as strong, is still a real enough part of your person to require sating?

I would love and be grateful for any insight that you could share with me.
I'm always working to understand people better and I believe that opinions on this subject matter could broaden my understanding.

I do realize that similar questions have been asked and I would like to apologize now if this is a worn out question.

Once again, thank you.



What a beautiful question. And in my opinion, what a healthy understanding of D/s dynamics. It closes so many doors that need not be closed to artificially demand "I could never dominate" or "I could never submit." It is submission to go along with a mentor's experience for the journey and see the wisdom in their ways. It is dominance to for a bottom to bend the moment in a way that will maximize enjoyment for someone else.

Why do I switch? What drives me? From my profile: "Think of Bambi like the fun sticky glue that helps hold you two together tighter." Admittedly, I like being a third. I enjoy the stability of a tripod relationship.

Some have said they switch depending on the person. I identify as a switch, but not based on my partner. I can, and like to, switch instantaneously. Part of me is giddy because most people can't/don't enjoy that. Part of me feels like I can fulfill a unique need. I like that. The person, however, does not matter very much. I've never felt compelled to submit or dominate. It's as if both share the same attraction, so long as the total happiness factor goes up.

Maybe it makes me a fetishist. But when the room goes from a 6 to an 8 because I submit, then I want to submit. If it goes from a 6 to a 9 if I dominate, then "on your knees, girl."

That's all a little stream-of-consciousness, but I hope it helps.

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RE: Switches - Contribute Thoughts, Please? - 6/8/2013 4:47:41 AM   
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Why do I identify as a switch?

Because it best summarises what I am. I am a very dominant personality and I naturally move into that role, however, I find great fulfilment in submitting to the right person. I'm both sides of the coin.

Both sides are worth it to me because they fill vastly different roles, needs and desires. The dominance is a natural drive to lead, take control and refuse to respect those I feel are weak. Where as the submissive side fulfils that very strong maternal drive, the need to care for and with the right person, be protected.

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