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DarkSteven -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/23/2012 4:20:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: emmacarrie86

Rule... I am trying to help him find a job I have had him sign up to many different agencies in glasgow and send his cv out to jobs from job sites but whether he has actually done it or not isnt something i have any control over as he isnt actually with me. I cant physically force him to. Also some times ive said to him he should do these things he has said he will then when i ask if he has he ignores me til the next day then sends a huge long email appologizing about not doing it and listing off excuses about no motivation and that his life is just pointless...i really hpe the psychological department get in touch soon.


emma, you're a sweet girl and you genuinely want to help. But you're not. You're doing what is known as "enabling".

It is HIS responsibility to get a job. Not yours. If he wants to get one, he will. If he doesn't, he won't. You're expending time and energy worrying about his concerns.

If you were his Domme, you'd give him tasks, check whether he''d done them, and reward/punish him for doing them. But you're not a Domme. You specifically state that you cannot make him do things, and you;re accepting passive aggressive behavior and whining.

If you really want to try your hand at Domming, then the next time he pulls any crap on you, tell him that as a consequence of his behavior (specify it), he gets no contact from you for a week. Next time he does it, tell him the same thing but make it two weeks. And STICK TO IT. Eventually he'll be forced to choose between doing what you say and doing without contact for ever increasing amounts of time.

If you can't do that, you cannot control him.




chatterbox24 -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/23/2012 5:26:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven


quote:

ORIGINAL: emmacarrie86

Rule... I am trying to help him find a job I have had him sign up to many different agencies in glasgow and send his cv out to jobs from job sites but whether he has actually done it or not isnt something i have any control over as he isnt actually with me. I cant physically force him to. Also some times ive said to him he should do these things he has said he will then when i ask if he has he ignores me til the next day then sends a huge long email appologizing about not doing it and listing off excuses about no motivation and that his life is just pointless...i really hpe the psychological department get in touch soon.


emma, you're a sweet girl and you genuinely want to help. But you're not. You're doing what is known as "enabling".

It is HIS responsibility to get a job. Not yours. If he wants to get one, he will. If he doesn't, he won't. You're expending time and energy worrying about his concerns.

If you were his Domme, you'd give him tasks, check whether he''d done them, and reward/punish him for doing them. But you're not a Domme. You specifically state that you cannot make him do things, and you;re accepting passive aggressive behavior and whining.

If you really want to try your hand at Domming, then the next time he pulls any crap on you, tell him that as a consequence of his behavior (specify it), he gets no contact from you for a week. Next time he does it, tell him the same thing but make it two weeks. And STICK TO IT. Eventually he'll be forced to choose between doing what you say and doing without contact for ever increasing amounts of time.

If you can't do that, you cannot control him.


OH this this this! As I read through the posts, I thought the same thing. YOu believe you are helping, but you are enabling. He wants you to do all the work to straighten his life. He has no respect for himself, you can do all the work, but gauranteed, even if you got all these things done for him, unless he changes his attitude, your work you did for him, will slide right down the tubes, cause he will have to maintain. Your work is doomed. You want to save him? You can't. He can only save himself. As long as he is getting sympathy, he will play the victim role. Tell your friend the hard truths. You can listen and suggest, but I wouldnt sympathize to much. He will continue with the "woos me" and quite frankly take full advantage of you and it will delay him seeing he has to do it himself.

You sound like a very nice young lady to me, just wanting to help your friend. I think its very sweet, really. But to me the hard truth is your friend is a leech who will drain your power. Tell him to gain his own power, and quit pulling off of yours!
Will it hurt your friend? Oh most likely, but you will be actually be doing him a favor in the long run.




kiwisub12 -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/23/2012 6:51:14 AM)

Emma , i can see myself as i once was in everything you post. You need to read a bit about co-dependency, absorb it and break away from it.

and from what i could tell, it may be that you have taken up the role of worrying about this man, enabling him to stop worrying about himself. He needs to take ownership of his life, and work on it himself.
The next time you talk to him and he complains about something, you need to look at him and say something along the lines of " that sounds awful, but i know that you can take care of it/find a solution/work it out. And keep repeating it when he comes back with worse scenerios. If you quit being the one who worries about his life, he will eventually have to be the worrier, and do something about it.

ps. i am not co-dependent any more - thank god - but i am as submissive - i just choose who to be submissive with, and have clear boundries in my life. I don't need/want to submit to anyone who walks into my life.


If this doesn't sound like you , please ignore..... [:D] part of my recovery from co-dependence was realising that i can't fix everyone. [:)]




Toysinbabeland -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/23/2012 6:58:12 AM)

Emma, teach him to fish for himself




chatterbox24 -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/23/2012 8:29:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Toysinbabeland

Emma, teach him to fish for himself


What is better? To hand a constantly starving man a fish, or teach him to fish.
one is the solution, one is not.





Rule -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/23/2012 8:54:39 AM)

What is best for this man depends on his psychological profile. If he can fly, but cannot walk on the ground, it would be inadvisable to weigh him down and force him to learn to walk.




chatterbox24 -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/23/2012 9:04:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

What is best for this man depends on his psychological profile. If he can fly, but cannot walk on the ground, it would be inadvisable to weigh him down and force him to learn to walk.


HUh? IM scratching my head, going DUH. lol having a little fun with that quote.
Can confusius plz interprete?[:D]
If someone is flying around and they cant walk, sounds like they are in for a rough landing. or to big for their britches.




littlewonder -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/23/2012 1:28:28 PM)

Tell the kid to put his big boy britches on and get some therapy. You are not his therapist or mommy.




emmacarrie86 -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/24/2012 5:43:21 AM)

Thank you everyone for your help and advice :) I have not had a chance to talk to my Master about it properly yet as he is in the middle of a big move but once i have spoken to him i will let my friend down gently and tell him he has to cope himself before anyone else can be involved. I think it is all getting to me too much because yesterday i was not well at all went out with my friend t see twilight and nearly had to cancel the night then when i got home i fell straight asleep in my clothes curled up on the edge of my bed and im exhausted today so probably isnt best idea for me to take on his troubles as well as mine. I have enough to deal with being a mummy.




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/24/2012 6:34:25 AM)

Good for you.

It's admirable wanting to help someone out but it won't do any good until he's ready to work at it himself.

Also, there's nothing wrong with taking care of yourself and your own first. You know how on an aeroplane they tell you if the oxygen masks come down, fit yours before helping other people? That's because if you pass out, you can't help yourself or anyone else. Same things apply in life. If you burn yourself out with this guy, you won't be able to help him or take care of you, your Master and your child. So feel good about your decision to take a step back.




WomanlyWiles -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/24/2012 7:22:22 AM)

I'm late to this, but this guy isn't exactly a catch, is he? I can't imagine any domme being interested in him.




theRose4U -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/24/2012 10:00:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: emmacarrie86

Why are you wondering if I am not genuine? I am very genuine. I am a 26 year old parent/student from scotland with a genuine need to help other people and I need t know that everyone important in my life is happy. My parents were having a hard time a wee while ago money wise and even though im skint myself i offered them half my money because my dad was stressed to the point of ending up hospitalised. I just want people to be happy. I am constantly walked over by friends. yet i just keep trying to help everyone. Words escape me most of my life so maybe i didnt phrase this post the best way I could but i am 100% genuine, I am me and I have my own mind and my own personality it just happens to be one that likes to help others.

Ok then let's clarify this way...YOUR "FRIEND" IS USiNG YOU!!! Clear enough?
Recapping:
-hes lazy
-unmotivated
-has no reliable employment
-did I mention lazy?...enough that YOU are seeking his mates
-shows no signs of self preservation
-is 2000 miles from you
-your own master doesn't want the bother of him
-"human toilet is how he sees himself"
-self sabatoging
-whiney about his situation

Is the pattern becoming more clear? NOTHING on that list is appealing or desirable about any trait listed above unless you're a psychiatrist looking for new patients.




theRose4U -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/24/2012 10:06:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: emmacarrie86

frazzle: I dont want to let him down even if he isnt helping himself :(

You aren't letting him down, you are freeing yourself of a dead weight that would drown & distract you from your own evolution & submission TO YOUR MASTER for their own self-distructive end.
Or do you not notice that you've submitted to every whine on his list from dominating him, calling him slave & seeking his partners for him? I'd personally be VERY angry a sub of mine had been turned into a pimp/slave for an emotionally unstable wanker on another continent!!




tazzygirl -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/24/2012 10:17:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: emmacarrie86

frazzle: I dont want to let him down even if he isnt helping himself :(


You cant help someone who wont help themselves. Thats not helping, thats enabling.




Rastimmipitwax -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/29/2012 2:26:39 AM)

ok, this little shit squawks, you jump; yet you are supposed to be "Domming" him, which you patently can't do as you are sub. What he is doing is referred to as "topping from the bottom". Pretty soon you will be more or less the equivalent of his sub. You are basically serving two Masters. Time to make a choice about which of them you wish to serve, and get completely rid of the other.

Edit: just to drive my point home: If I were your Master, I'd be forcing the issue by telling you outright to get this other guy out of your life. I understand your Master is new at this, perhaps not quite 100% confident enough to make this move and possibly afraid of losing you if he were to do so. So make the responsible decision now for the health of your relationship, because this other guy is sabotaging it.




MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: I am submissive but I own a slave... (11/29/2012 6:57:03 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven


quote:

ORIGINAL: emmacarrie86

Rule... I am trying to help him find a job I have had him sign up to many different agencies in glasgow and send his cv out to jobs from job sites but whether he has actually done it or not isnt something i have any control over as he isnt actually with me. I cant physically force him to. Also some times ive said to him he should do these things he has said he will then when i ask if he has he ignores me til the next day then sends a huge long email appologizing about not doing it and listing off excuses about no motivation and that his life is just pointless...i really hpe the psychological department get in touch soon.


emma, you're a sweet girl and you genuinely want to help. But you're not. You're doing what is known as "enabling".

It is HIS responsibility to get a job. Not yours. If he wants to get one, he will. If he doesn't, he won't. You're expending time and energy worrying about his concerns.

If you were his Domme, you'd give him tasks, check whether he''d done them, and reward/punish him for doing them. But you're not a Domme. You specifically state that you cannot make him do things, and you;re accepting passive aggressive behavior and whining.

If you really want to try your hand at Domming, then the next time he pulls any crap on you, tell him that as a consequence of his behavior (specify it), he gets no contact from you for a week. Next time he does it, tell him the same thing but make it two weeks. And STICK TO IT. Eventually he'll be forced to choose between doing what you say and doing without contact for ever increasing amounts of time.

If you can't do that, you cannot control him.


This is DEAD ON. The secret to handling someone like this who "needs help": TASKS (WITH DEADLINES, I usually am VERY specific about time limits), and most importantly each Task has a particular Punishment for failure as well. Denying him contact with you as Steven suggested does work, if he's that needy (firmly, you may even announce you will BLOCK him for a designated amount of time to prevent him from whining at you). It sounds to me like he is just a moocher and may even be an EMO, I've had a few of those and there is almost NO helping that type (their fetish is MISERY and they will drag you down into their darkness like a black hole).

My personal advice, if you care about your relationship with your own Dominant, your FIRST thing should have been to discuss this with HIM. Does he want you this distracted by a third person? He may decide contact with this person is detrimental to you and want you to cease contact. Communicating with your Dom should be the most important thing on your mind right now.

--MM




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