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Really? - 11/26/2012 2:28:32 PM   
AlittleCrazy098


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One day, I was sitting in a science class and was learning about mother nature and how, to a certain degree, mother nature tends to be some what "balanced" even amongst all the chaos that can occur. From what I understand about this concept; is that most things can be explained mathematically, can be explained by a process to how something is created, works, and even why said thing exist; and that there is a sort of balance of Xs and Os that exists in many systems like the ecosystem making it, well balanced. Which brings me to my main point!

For me, the way the community is laid out is some what puzzling. For instance, there must be a reason as to why there are so many submissive men vs. dominant women. And by the reasoning in the first paragraph, there shouldn't be a presence of so many sub men and so few dom women because that goes against the theory of mother nature having some kind of existing equilibrium. Thus, one should conclude that there should be somewhat of a proportional number of dominate women to men; at least in my mind, if the universe was as balanced as we claim it to be. Yet, the theory seems to not apply to this situation.

So here goes the question:

How is it possible that there are so many submissive men and yet there are so few "dominate" women considering the above theory?
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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 2:37:46 PM   
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What's mother nature got to do with it... Look
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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 2:48:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I say "mother nature" I'm not talking about tornadoes and hurricanes necessarily but..... don't have any enough scientific understanding to articulate this in a manner that would make sense to anyone but myself =\. But, when I refer to mother nature I am referring to it like some refer to god creates everything for a "reason." If that makes any better sense?

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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 3:35:17 PM   
ARIES83


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genetics play a part in making a person who they
are.

But besides that, what information do you have that
there are more male subs>fem doms over
male doms>fem subs?

The only thing I can see is that males tend to
overwhelm females in internet dating communities,
beyond that I'm not sure what answer your after.

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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 4:19:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		OP - you are ignorant the nature vs. nurture thing as well as that statistically men go for kink online more than women. It is because men and women are wired differently.


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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 4:24:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd first like to know where you got your statistics of submissive men vs dominant women.
If it's from sites such as this, it could be that the men you are counting as submissive are
simply men looking to have some kinky fantasy fulfilled, which in truth makes them more
of a bottom than a submissive.

Or perhaps, Mother Nature is a sadist.

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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 4:48:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		imagine a world where half the population were leaders, and half followers. Do you really think that is feasible given human nature? There will always be fewer leaders, no matter which sex they happen to fit. There will always be an imbalance because for our system to survive. following is the norm. Humans being such as they are would constantly trying to force their dominance onto the next "leader"
As far as submissive men vs dominant women go, I don't believe there is as large of a difference as you may think. I know way too many "submissive men" who really only want to get their kink hand delivered

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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 5:20:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dear OP. Actualy, there aren't that many submissive men. There are, though, a HELL of a lot of wanktards who think that if they say they're submissive, they can get laid.

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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 5:27:37 PM   
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You are basing your theory on science. You are forgetting that society also has an effect on your results. We, as human beings, have done our best to set our own standards for society. Women in power (or the lack thereof,) being one of them.

Science is not the answer to your query.


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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 5:45:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Dear OP. Actualy, there aren't that many submissive men. There are, though, a HELL of a lot of wanktards who think that if they say they're submissive, they can get laid.

It really is this simple!!

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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 5:50:34 PM   
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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 6:26:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dear Little,

You've taken the liberty of an assumption in your argument: That nature prefers equilibrium.

While chemistry (inorganic) and physics adore a balancing of forces, nature (biology) is not so hung up on the idea. In fact, all evolutionary arguments stem from the basic belief that organisms are unequal and are in unequal circumstances. And the best suited survive. There's no reason why there should be a dominant woman for every submissive man. In my experience subs outnumber dominants. On the social side of CollarMe, it seems to be 2-3 bottoms for every top. On the forums, 1.75 bottoms:1top. In more active websites (Alt, FL, SecondLife, AFF, etc) I'd wager 5 bottoms:1 top.

These numbers feel conservative when discussing femme-tops and male-bottoms. Maybe its our culture that still suggests women are damsels in distress. Maybe its an engrained biological submission (not persuaded by this argument). Maybe its that dominant women don't feel any need to go online because they have options out the wazoo (industry term) in their offline life.

I prefer female dominants being vastly outnumbered by submissive men. It feels right that submissive men should have to do their best to leave a good impression, and the dominant woman simply chooses who she wants. To set the numbers evenly would require a lot of dominant women to settle with whoever because "well, I need someone and the good ones are taken."

For the record, my numbers are completely anecdotal, but how many times do you have to drop a hammer on your foot before you trust gravity will be there the next time?

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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 6:27:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: theRose4U


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Dear OP. Actualy, there aren't that many submissive men. There are, though, a HELL of a lot of wanktards who think that if they say they're submissive, they can get laid.

It really is this simple!!


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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 6:31:40 PM   
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Really?

Really?

Is this the new catchphrase after "This"?

Really?

This.

("I'm just saying").

No....seriously....Really?

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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 6:55:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is an interesting question, but before I attempt to answer it I need to know one thing. When you say "community", are you talking about the real world or the collar me website?

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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 6:55:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		As Hill stated.....there aren't. Most men are not submissive....or dominant...they're simply horny and will be whatever you want them to be as long as it gets them laid.

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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 7:33:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AlittleCrazy098


How is it possible that there are so many submissive men and yet there are so few "dominate" women considering the above theory?



First off, major pet peeve. Dominate is the act, people are dominant. Second, just because they don't show themselves, doesn't mean there are less kinky women. Hell, if I got deluged with emails from horny men all day, I would hide as well

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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 7:57:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather


quote:

ORIGINAL: AlittleCrazy098


How is it possible that there are so many submissive men and yet there are so few "dominate" women considering the above theory?



First off, major pet peeve. Dominate is the act, people are dominant. Second, just because they don't show themselves, doesn't mean there are less kinky women. Hell, if I got deluged with emails from horny men all day, I would hide as well

DING DING DING we have a winner!!

Whomever came up with the idea men should be in charge then designed them with a trailer hitch to hold their undrvided attention had a VERY twisted sense of humor!!

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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 8:05:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		easy answer: because dominant women are not "normal". in nature, woman are supposed to be submissive, so an aggressive, ambitious woman is like having a deformity

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RE: Really? - 11/26/2012 9:24:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nature doesn't give a shit about specifics (i.e., how many individual men or women are happy and satisfied): nature's equilbrium means that the race propogates and survives.

In that sense, humanity is doing just fine, and we're beyond stasis and into Wonderful. Nature wins.

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