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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 7:54:06 PM   
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all women don't hold these beliefs


And I never ever claimed ALL women hold these beliefs. However, nearly all my opponents in this thread hold these beliefs so therefore it's validated to call it out.

You are trying to twist my words around to make it appear that way just to manipulate me.

Until you can come up with a clear irrefutable post of mine that indicates ALL women are evil, I rest my case.

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 7:56:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sadly, you are again mistaken, nick. Intentionally so to make your point seem more plausible. Anyone who has come along to demean your message has been shot down quickly by more than one poster.

What you object too is being called upon your own actions.

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:00:17 PM   
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This post was in response to LadyPact..


So how exactly did I indicate your wild accusation?

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This was your response. You reacted as if she would simply do it to shut you up. Unfortunately for you, we all know Lucy better than that. You said her intentions were not what she stated, instead, just to make you go away. Thats how you called her a liar.


Where did I use the word "liar"? How can I claim someone to be lying when she never made an argument to "why" she offered me?

Jesus, this is like dealing with children. First they tried to use diversion tactics with trying to blame me for why organisations are sexist towards men and now they are making shit up about my posts.

So what exactly is your or anyone's opinion towards the actual article? Christ, wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air?




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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:10:30 PM   
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And the part about LP is bolded.

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:11:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'm not trying to manipulate or twist your words. you wrote them. nowhere did i say that you thought all women were evil. i said that your posts make general statements about the common attitudes and beliefs of women and feminists (who, by the way, aren't all female).

i'm not a feminist. i agree with some of your points. i'm simply pointing out that sweeping generalizations about any gender -- male or female -- isn't helping you make your case. and maybe i'm nuts, but i didn't see a link to an article in the OP.

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:11:55 PM   
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So what exactly is your or anyone's opinion towards the actual article? Christ, wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air?



Jesus, Mary and Joseph... what article???

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:13:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		tazzy, you're either purposely trying to misinterpret my posts or you have serious comprehension problems. Either way, this is getting tedious.


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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:13:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Neither is the case. You are merely frustrated because you arent getting your way here.

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:14:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

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Truth be told, men are probably far less sympathetic towards male victims of domestic violence than women would be


Have you got any proof to back this up?


Just my own experience, general observations of life, that sort of thing.

My mother was a feminist, and if a woman had hit me, she would be angry at the woman who did it and blame her, whereas my father would probably be angry at me for tolerating it. I'm not saying that I agree with feminists on every issue, but at least when it comes to this issue, the feminists I know do not condone or tolerate violent female offenders.

In other words, there might be many valid reasons to criticize feminism, but this just doesn't seem to be one of them. You're as much as saying that reasonable, rational adults in a civilized society condone criminal, violent behavior, and I just don't see that as being the case.

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Here in this case, we have a group of women with a mostly female audience laughing about a real life situation of a man's dick getting chopped off and put in the shredder.

No sympathetic attitudes here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnXCPcq_RTY


I never watch those shows, but keep in mind that this is just stuff on TV. Who cares what they say on TV?

But yeah, I get your point. It was rather tasteless, and apparently, whoever posted that YouTube video thought the same. I don't know about this particular case, so I'd have to check into the circumstances of what happened and why.

I don't think men would make those kinds of jokes, although I know men who would look down on a man whom a woman has gotten the better of. There's a whole lexicon of pejorative terms men might use to call other men who are considered weak or not real men. Of course, they may not be politically correct or make the daytime TV talk shows, but those attitudes are still out there.



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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:16:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now, what are you doing about the violence against men issue?

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:18:15 PM   
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Jesus, Mary and Joseph... what article???



haha yeah now let's play dumb. You didn't know this thread is directly related to the other thread, didn't you? No, of course not. I even mentioned it in the last paragraph of the OP in this thread.

Gotta larf!

Anyway, here it is again just for the slow people who haven't caught on yet.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4310895/tm.htm

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:19:57 PM   
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Why is it that when a male complains about DV in support of men, it all the sudden becomes his responsibility to fix it all but when a woman does in support of women, such a thing is never asked?

Why are ONLY men asked this question? Why not women? Why not feminists? Can you see the sexism here? Can you see the bias?

This is just used in attempt to silence any man speaking the truth that certain people can't handle.

How is the average powerless man supposed to do anything? What power do I have? What money do I have?

It's ridiculous to sit here and tell the average powerless male to do something when he has no power or control whatsoever to make any change to begin with.

What do you expect me to do? Start dancing around Julia Gillard's door step and tell her she better start giving me tax dollars to build a shelter? Seriously, what are you people thinking?

Do I have control over the Australian government? Do you think me waving my hands in the air on the street telling them to give me money for a shelter is going to work?

Are people truly so simplistic that they think I can just so easily get all this funding and the resources to start supporting men?

If you aren't a simplistic minded person, maybe you can see how seriously complex the situation is.

This is the job of the government to do something about it, not the job of the average powerless Tom, Dick or Harry that just simply complains in a discussion.

What is it? You think a male isn't entitled to this speech, therefore you are looking for ways to silence the speech?

Stop trying to censor the freedom of speech that feminists are so freely allowed to have!

It's a pity that the other thread got shut down but I understand it was for a good cause so I respect the mods decision. Some people just can't handle certain opinions therefore their anger drives them to personally attack. Most of the time, it's usually because they are angry at not being able to refute the opinion that's making them pissy so they use personal attacks as a diversion tactic to veer the focus away from the opinion they can't handle.



No article here. Just a mention about a thread being shut down. No clue where to find the article. No idea why that thread was shut down. People arent going to go digging to see what you are on about.

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:26:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Firstly, I think everyone is already aware that violence against men exist.

Then why were you repeatedly whining in the other thread that no one here is willing to acknowledge that? Were you lying then or are you lying now?

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:27:41 PM   
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Why do so many make life so complicated? I mean, really. Life is extremely simple.

I can only assume they like drama in their lives. Soooo glad I don't live that type of life. Sad.


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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:30:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Women had to be taught to fight for themselves. They had to fight a system to take them seriously when faced with a system that considered a woman "man's property" to do with as he wished. That has never been an assumption about men. Men who are victims of domestic violence are victims because they remain silent.

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:31:55 PM   
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Then why were you repeatedly whining in the other thread that no one here is willing to acknowledge that?


Ummm stef, can you please point out posts that indicate this?

What plenty of people seem to refuse to acknowledge is the REAL ISSUE that's said in the article, not them refusing that violence on men doesn't exist.

You need to get your facts straight before shooting yourself in the foot.

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:37:07 PM   
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Women had to be taught to fight for themselves. They had to fight a system to take them seriously when faced with a system that considered a woman "man's property" to do with as he wished.


Women? Isn't that a silly generalisation? I think the reality is that *some* women and *some* men fought for women's rights. This would probably take up about 2 percent of the population. The rest didn't do anything.

Also, drop the sexist hyperbole about how things were in the past. The way you said it in that quote, it seems that you think most or all men were these oppressive brutes that all treated their wives as worthless slaves. That is BS.

I don't define a marriage contract as property claiming someone to be property. Last time I checked, women were free to divorce.

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:38:05 PM   
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Women? Isn't that a silly generalisation? I think the reality is that *some* women and *some* men fought for women's rights. This would probably take up about 2 percent of the population. The rest didn't do anything.


No, women were taught. Isnt a damn thing a man can do for a woman of DV if she wont stand up for herself.

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:43:13 PM   
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Men who are victims of domestic violence are victims because they remain silent.


There is hardly any voice from men BECAUSE THERE ARE HARDLY PLACES FOR MEN TO GET THE HELP THEY NEED.

Have you ever thought about that? How can a man's voice be heard as much as women's when there are hardly as many places where women can? Sure, there are helplines on a phone for men. Yeah, as if that's going to really do help. A person showing sympathy on a phoneline. Wow now all his problems are solved. heh

A logical person would think that if there are more resources available for men, that would then ENCOURAGE men to voice out more. With less resources and support for men, the less encouraged men are to voice out.

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RE: Why the double standard? - 11/28/2012 8:44:17 PM   
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