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y687master -> RE: Elementary school shooting. (12/15/2012 11:10:48 AM)
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
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ORIGINAL: y687master
First off, my heart goes to you for your loss. I agree with all the points you have made. The tragedy in CT is bad enough, any tragedy is just that tragedy. I find it simply appalling that anyone would seek to further an agenda and am very cautious when they seek to do so, especially right in the midst or on the heels of such tragedies.
There are those out there that seek to justify turning "rights" into "privileges", or just taking the "rights" away all together. Ask anyone in the 18-20 yr old age group. When the drinking age was raised, there was a lot of talk about how that would resolve the issue. Yet, still today we face it. The root cause was never dealt with, actually teaching your young how to do so responsibly. There are many other countries that work (if I might say, better) with everyone understanding there are "dire" consequences and sticking to those "dire" consequences. But those countries do not also have to deal with the legal system and lawyer issues that we do.
The answer lies in simply and honestly dealing with the real issues, instead of a knee jerk band aid political snowball fix.
Your words are true and I proud that you have used them wisely,
Master Devan [sm=crop.gif]
By the way, I love your signature quote. :P
What the fuck do you think you are involved in doing right now ?
You are ,as you put it,right now "furthering an agenda"
Your agenda just happens to be different than mine.
Your agenda is to keep the status quo in place.
Your agenda is to disregard the bodies and ignore the wailing of the parents.
Let me ask you something....how many dead are you willing to suffer ?
How many dead before we are allowed to have a conversation about the Second ?
Don't come here and tell me how distasteful my stance is,my stance seeks to do something about it.....yours would be to do nothing but deflect and allow the manufacturers to continue to peddle their tools of mayhem.
One last thing....your opinion ,the fact that you are "appalled",means nothing to me at all,20 dead children in Newton Conn.,that means everything...and it has to stop.
edited to add: Did you really think it was appropriate to add your little funny emoticon thing there ?
Talk about appalled.....I think I'm going to be sick !
I can see from your comments, that you are quite simply happy to be part of the cattle led to slaughter group. You are completely, blind and oblivious; you allow yourself to be spoonfed your thoughts and enjoy like a babe on any shoulder you can find to catch your regeritated words. Take some time, inform yourself. Look up the 2nd Amendment. Read about the supreme court rulings and attempt to understand them.
You like most, propagated by the media are confused about the differences between the 2nd Amendment and gun control. The only thing similar that they speak of is weapons. The media and the politians prey on your ignorance, you lack of taking the time to inform yourself. The 2nd Amendment speaks of the individual right of defense of oneself, family and loved ones, protection of a free and democratic republic, defence against hostile forces that threaten our free and democratic republic. ---- That is all, end of story... If you would take the time to inform yourself, you would realize how blind you really are to what the 2nd Amendment is. Read the summaries of the supreme court decisions, read the and see for yourself.
Gun Control is a completely separate issue from the 2nd Amendment. I had another post that I worked on for the better part of an hour last night to immediately follow this one, one click deleted the entire body of it while I was trying to quote, out of frustration and simply being tired I chose not to try to recreate it then. But in post you quoted: I did mention that little is and has been done to deal with the root cause; the actual issues I referenced one of them, which is teaching our young how to responsibly deal with things. Another is dealing with gun control and developing true protections for our society, in the issues of this the CT tragedy, the Virgina Tech, Columbine, the Aurora theater shooting and the list goes on and on; all the shooters involved had well documented psychiatric issues. Those issues need to be reported to some agency that is used as part of the licensing or a location that must give approval before any handgun, rifle, shotgun or such should be sold.
This will not be perfect but will work as another red flag for an intervention of some type. We must accept it not be perfect because we must accept this one saying "Where there is a will, there is a way". Those who seek to attack the innocent, to break the law, to do violence to create civil unrest; do not hold themselves to the laws and seek to find ways around them or flat out break them.
Your little rant refused to acknowlege is represents the major flaw of your very arguement. In every case, there is ONE PERSON with major psychological and sociological issues going on. That individual, THE ONE PULLING THE TRIGGER - IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAMAGE, CIVIL, UNREST AND TRAGEDY THAT IS CREATED!!!! How can you justify laying blame on the rest of the law abiding citizens for those individual actions. Responsibility is something our society enjoys sweeping under the carpet, tries to cover with knee jerk reactions and half thought responses.
I am not disregarding nor do I seek to solely use the previously mention tragedies to stir up emotion to justify my firmly held beliefs. For your information, I personally do not own a gun or firearm. I have in the past and I did so responsibly because I was taught well. I am a veteran of the US Army. You talk about things you do not seem to truly understand. Educate yourself!
Oh yeah, and if you don't like the emoticon in my signature, GTFOI (get the fuck over it)
Master Ron [sm=crop.gif]
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