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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 7:08:25 AM   
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I dont care who you think cant read. You cant back your shit up.




I did back it up and if you think I didn't tough, it is you who needs comprehension lessons, not me.


~pats your head~

you keep thinking that

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 7:09:31 AM   
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Here's what backs up the assertion that we live in a culture that promotes further violence as the answer to any violence:

Rambo

Death Wish

Dirty Harry

Chuck Norris movies.

A few hundred others.





You arent going to get an argument from me. However, violence isnt just in the movies.

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 7:14:11 AM   
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Edwynn

Surely your defence of the car, that it's intended function is something other than a tool for murder, should apply to violent video games as well. After all, the vast majority of people who buy Call of Duty don't then go and commit a gun crime.




I don't make such claim.

I am just saying that the whole culture, of which such games would be included, makes it easier for those 'on the margin' to entertain such notions as are otherwise seemingly so readily accepted by society as something actionable in real life for themselves.



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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 7:21:07 AM   
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I don't make such claim.

I am just saying that the whole culture, of which such games would be included, make it easier for those 'on the margin' to entertain such notions as are otherwise seemingly so readily accepted by society as something actionable in real life for themselves.



Modern video games, plain and simple.





I sense a climbdown here. Just because computer games are the easiest target doesn't mean they deserve to be targeted. I do agree that violent culture legitimises violence, but I would query whether modern society is a uniquely violent culture.

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 7:24:18 AM   
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I dont care who you think cant read. You cant back your shit up.




I did back it up and if you think I didn't tough, it is you who needs comprehension lessons, not me.


~pats your head~

you keep thinking that


Your snarky school girl replies devoid of reference just illustrate the lameness of your position.

Now wipe your pussy, pull up your knickers and off you trot.

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 7:30:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's not a 'climb down,' I just pointed out the video games. That was off the top of my head because that is the most recent installment of the violence culture.

If you wish to call it a 'climb down' because I referred to a few other things in later posts, then have it your way.


Violence novels -> violence movies -> violence video games, etc.


There's my complete and totally admited 'climb down.'

There, I hope that makes it better for you.




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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 7:34:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, I dont need to wipe it, hon. You have been licking at it hard enough. You are just pissy because you didnt get the attention you wanted. Dont expect anyone here to kiss your ass. Make an allegation, you will be called on it. You were, you couldnt back your shit up, and you ran.... typical for many here when faced with a woman who isnt afraid to call people on their bullshit.

Welcome to the world of politics.

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 7:43:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, we can agree to disagree on whether or not you were going to solely blame computer games or refer to their significance as part of a wider violent culture, I'm not that interested in point scoring. You say that video games are the most recent installment of the violence culture, what would you say was the earliest installment? When did violence culture begin?

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 8:00:12 AM   
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Make an allegation, you will be called on it. You were, you couldnt back your shit up, and you ran.... typical for many here when faced with a woman who isnt afraid to call people on their bullshit.

Welcome to the world of politics.


There you go again putting words into people's mouth they didn't say. Back your accusation up with quotes or stop your school girl tantrums.(though I am sure it is hard to break such a habit)

If you can't reference your accusation with quotes, I can only assume your school girl imagination is running away with you. Now off you pop.

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 8:01:07 AM   
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I dont care who you think cant read. You cant back your shit up.




No but it won't stop him from trying to sound like he knows what he is talking about.

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 8:02:04 AM   
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I dont care who you think cant read. You cant back your shit up.




No but it won't stop him from trying to sound like he knows what he is talking about.


Oh god, another teenager from St Trinians.

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 8:19:34 AM   
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Are you a spokesman for the gun lobby?


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4324422

Asinine assumption made by you, Dont pull the crap that "its a question" Its played out here.

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You made a false statement which the US gun lobby often make in their defence of free access to guns.


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4324433

Again, another asinine assumption made by you.



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What is the false statement?

Is it only gun lobbyists who use it?

Do you have proof only they use it?


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4324439

Questions you have yet to answer. Instead you ran off and ignored them .... typical.

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Back your accusation up with quotes or stop your school girl tantrums.(though I am sure it is hard to break such a habit)


I ALWAYS back my shit up.

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 8:31:25 AM   
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Allegation....

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Are you a spokesman for the gun lobby?


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4324422

Asinine assumption made by you, Dont pull the crap that "its a question" Its played out here.



You got your facts wrong, which is what I was refering to. You said a knife was efficient enough to kill 22 children in China, when those children weren't killed but injured. In that context it is not unreasonable to assume you thought guns were no more efficient or dangerous than knives in a mass murder situation.


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You made a false statement which the US gun lobby often make in their defence of free access to guns.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4324433

Again, another asinine assumption made by you.



Actually it isn't an assinine assumption, it is a quite correct assumption. The gun lobby's idea of gun restriction is no more than a political figleaf and nothing more than toothlessand useless.

The rest you take all out of context too or is just plain wrong like the original point.

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 8:39:22 AM   
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You got your facts wrong, which is what I was refering to. You said a knife was efficient enough to kill 22 children in China, when those children weren't killed but injured. In that context it is not unreasonable to assume you thought guns were no more efficient or dangerous than knives in a mass murder situation.


Oh, so only those who are into gun lobbying get numbers mixed up. Btw, take a look at your number key pad. See where the 0 is? Look above that.. see where the 2 is? Now you are going to try and convince me this was all over a typo that I admitted to already? Laughable.

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Actually it isn't an assinine assumption, it is a quite correct assumption. The gun lobby's idea of gun restriction is no more than a political figleaf and nothing more than toothlessand useless.

The rest you take all out of context too or is just plain wrong like the original point.


Wont know till we try, huh. As I said... gun ownership is a right granted by our Constitution. Having that changed through any other means except by an amendment will be ruled unconstitutional and tossed out on its ear.

Dont know about where you live, but here, we do tend to hold to that doctrine that out country was founded on.

Now, again, where is the proof that only gun lobbyists are for gun control?

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 9:31:13 AM   
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You got your facts wrong, which is what I was refering to. You said a knife was efficient enough to kill 22 children in China, when those children weren't killed but injured. In that context it is not unreasonable to assume you thought guns were no more efficient or dangerous than knives in a mass murder situation.




You got your facts wrong. period.

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 9:35:10 AM   
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Dont know about where you live, but here, we do tend to hold to that doctrine that out country was founded on.

Now, again, where is the proof that only gun lobbyists are for gun control?


It has often been debated in legal circles as to whether 'the right of the people to bears arms' was meant to mean all individuals or as the term 'the people' meant, as it often meant in 18th century English, the people as collective or in this case militia.

I said nothung about only gun lobbyists are for gun control. Do you take time out to read posts before you reply?

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 9:35:52 AM   
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You say that video games are the most recent installment of the violence culture, what would you say was the earliest installment? When did violence culture begin?


Ha ha, you got me on that one.

This is like asking when irresponsible borrowing or irresponsible lending began.

We haven't sufficiently determined when actual humans began, as to specific date, but I'm sure we'll get back to each other when that magic moment arrives.



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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 9:51:39 AM   
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You got your facts wrong. period.


Did you stomp your foot when you typed that too? Typos and being "wrong" in your asinine opinion and not the same thing. Just because you claim something doesnt make it fact.

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It has often been debated in legal circles as to whether 'the right of the people to bears arms' was meant to mean all individuals or as the term 'the people' meant, as it often meant in 18th century English, the people as collective or in this case militia.

I said nothung about only gun lobbyists are for gun control. Do you take time out to read posts before you reply?


I read everything I post too. I also addressed the origins of the militia and the reasons why gun ownership was required back then. Take a moment, avail yourself of the search feature.

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 9:56:03 AM   
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Like this observed result, you mean?


Most kids in Norway spend tons of time playing violent computer games, and there's no correlation between the increase in game sales and violence. Indeed, there's so little violence here that any effect would be subject to significant quantization noise in the statistics. As well, there has been a slight improvement in violence since before the video game era, except for two groups. One group is the young women, who are now catching up to their male peers in violence, but not catching up in video game use, and certainly not in the violent video game genres. Another group is immigrants from non-Western countries, where violence is much higher and video game use much lower.

Essentially, I submit there's no correlation, but I can entertain a negative correlation, the opposite of what you suggest.

In the ABB case, of course, I've also specifically verified the absence of a causative influence.

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By your estimation, the poor lad did not play enough violence-based video games to prevent such a tragedy.


No, what I was suggesting was, that the video game industry creates jobs and wealth.

We know that low unemployment and high wealth is correlated with low violence.

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RE: From the other side of the world - 12/15/2012 10:02:42 AM   
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Just the violence-based video games, sorry if I left out that detail.


It didn't make any difference to me.

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I am just commenting on the observed result.


The observed result is a reduction in deaths.

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Like this observed result, you mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks


By your estimation, the poor lad did not play enough violence-based video games to prevent such a tragedy.


Thanks for that info.





Edwynn

Surely your defence of the car, that it's intended function is something other than a tool for murder, should apply to violent video games as well. After all, the vast majority of people who buy Call of Duty don't then go and commit a gun crime.


I didn't 'defend' cars, I merely stated that the intended purpose is for something other than intentional violence or murder. We do not go on the car lot asking the salesman "how many people can this car kill?," we rather ask about things such as gas mileage, etc.

People who buy violence video games are more interested in how much damage can be obtained in in a short amount of time, if the player is really good.

Is it just me, or is anyone else seeing a conspicuous loss of comprehension skills here, not to mention what that might be related to?


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