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slvemike4u -> Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 7:32:51 AM)
I have,and always will be very vocal about how I feel about guns,and the pervasive "gun culture" in this country. Well now we have little children to bury in Newton Conn. and I have had it. In my opinion anyone who has ever argued a pro gun position,anyone who has ever taken a stance against reasonable gun control legislation,anyone who has ever used the bullshit "slippery slope" argument has blood on their hands. The blood of children. Now many of you are going to blast me for this ,I just might lose some "friends" here for posting this. I don't fucking care,we in this country have for far too long embraced the mayhem,we have suffered the tragedy's and we have buried the dead All at the alter of a few words written 200 years ago. It's time for the madness to stop,actually way past time. These were legally held guns in Newton. A teacher,an elderly woman thought she needed to own three weapons one of them a semi-automatic assault rifle? Is she who the NRA is referring to when they talk about "responsible gun owners"? Is she the poster child for the right to bear arms ? Well she is dead today and we can't ask her why she needed such weapons.....she is dead as a result of owning such weapons...and 20 little children are dead because she owned,legally,such weapons. Now all of you pro gun folks can come here and blast the shit out of me...I don't fucking care ! I'm going out today for a long walk,Monday I will be on the net seeking out whatever groups here in my area who are trying to do something about guns,I will find them and I will ask how I can help...because bitching about it on a lap top just doesn't cut it anymore,I figure there is blood on my hands too,cause I never did nothing more than bitch. 20 children are dead today.....how long before the next tragedy ?

LaTigresse -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 7:47:11 AM)
A change is a coming. It may not be quick enough to save more innocent lives but IT WILL HAPPEN. And it will happen in my lifetime.

Kirata -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 7:47:54 AM)
I find your argument irrational, and your judge-and-jury apportionment of blood-guilt despicable. I warrant there isn't a CCW holder here who, if present at the scene of that carnage, wouldn't have acted in behalf of the children even at the risk of their own life. And I do not appreciate you using the deaths of those children as an excuse to unload your phobic rage on people who are just as shocked and hurt as you right now. K.

Powergamz1 -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 7:52:09 AM)
The fact that we live in a society where so many people are gleefully tap dancing on the graves of those children in a fingerpointing frenzy, is a telling symptom of the underlying problem.

LaTigresse -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 7:55:08 AM)
I don't know about anyone else that shares my opinion......but I know that the two people that live in this house are by far 'tap dancing'. WE are looking at, our grand children, nieces, nephews, friend's children, etc etc etc......and knowing that it could have easily been them. Fuck the rights of those that need semi automatic or automatic weapons as mental barriers for their own crazy fears and/or extensions of their dicks. What about the rights of the rest of us???

Powergamz1 -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:00:38 AM)
Thanks for proving my point, including the Freudian slip in the first sentence. You are using these deaths (and the thousands of others that occur every year) as an excuse for 'othering' quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I don't know about anyone else that shares my opinion......but I know that the two people that live in this house are by far 'tap dancing'. WE are looking at, our grand children, nieces, nephews, friend's children, etc etc etc......and knowing that it could have easily been them. Fuck the rights of those that need semi automatic or automatic weapons as mental barriers for their own crazy fears and/or extensions of their dicks. What about the rights of the rest of us???

thezeppo -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:08:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Thanks for proving my point, including the Freudian slip in the first sentence. You are using these deaths (and the thousands of others that occur every year) as an excuse for 'othering' quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I don't know about anyone else that shares my opinion......but I know that the two people that live in this house are by far 'tap dancing'. WE are looking at, our grand children, nieces, nephews, friend's children, etc etc etc......and knowing that it could have easily been them. Fuck the rights of those that need semi automatic or automatic weapons as mental barriers for their own crazy fears and/or extensions of their dicks. What about the rights of the rest of us??? What is the correct reaction to these deaths then, if not advocating for greater gun control?

meatcleaver -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:10:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 The fact that we live in a society where so many people are gleefully tap dancing on the graves of those children in a fingerpointing frenzy, is a telling symptom of the underlying problem. Actually I suspect the glamourizing of guns and violence by a whole industry, the mythologizing of violence, the promoting of the best way to tackle violence is with violence, the romanticizing of the macho hero, an endless stream of subliminal images of violence and guns, has a lot more to do with dancing on the graves of those children than anyone advocating gun control.

Kirata -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:11:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Fuck the rights of those that need semi automatic or automatic weapons as mental barriers for their own crazy fears and/or extensions of their dicks. What about the rights of the rest of us??? You don't see kids who want to kill their classmates as the problem? Really? Guns are the problem? Do you seriously believe that a society that produces kids like this would be safe if it took all the guns away? They'd just blow up the classroom instead, or find some other clever way wreak havoc. Kids are good at that, yanno. K.

Kirata -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:12:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thezeppo What is the correct reaction to these deaths then, if not advocating for greater gun control? Grief, I would think, and level heads. K.

DarkSteven -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:14:10 AM)
I agree that this madness is out of control. However, I don;t know what the answer is. A gun ban might have been effective 50-60 years ago. Not so much now. Perhaps a ban on automatic and semiautomatic weaponry. The original intent of the right to bear arms was that it is necessary for a citizenry to protect itself from a tyrannical government. I find it very sad that it appears there's more need to be protected from an armed and insane citizenry than from the government. The entire BASIS of this country was to have an intelligent, informed, responsible citizenry. Now we have insane shooters, conspiracy theorists and birthers, and people who care only about their own agendas and nothing for others. We have failed our founders.

LaTigresse -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:27:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Fuck the rights of those that need semi automatic or automatic weapons as mental barriers for their own crazy fears and/or extensions of their dicks. What about the rights of the rest of us??? You don't see kids who want to kill their classmates as the problem? Really? Guns are the problem? Do you seriously believe that a society that produces kids like this would be safe if it took all the guns away? They'd just blow up the classroom instead, or find some other clever way wreak havoc. Kids are good at that, yanno. K. I don't believe I ever said anything about mental health issues being unimportant. There are many facets to the problems. To say that limiting access to tools with no other purpose than to kill, is undeniably a solid beginning. Unless you are also advocating making it legal to purchase dynamite at the school snack counter.

Powergamz1 -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:31:31 AM)
Instead of mindlessly blaming rap music and other artifacts, (as has already been done here) or ideologies (as has already been done here) and all the other 'usual suspects', how about just this once stick to rational analysis, science, medicine? Not cherry picked articles to tear down strawmen, but an objective look at the problem? If people are so tired of these outcomes, then why do they run in the same predictable circles every time, and expect different results? quote: ORIGINAL: thezeppo quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Thanks for proving my point, including the Freudian slip in the first sentence. You are using these deaths (and the thousands of others that occur every year) as an excuse for 'othering' quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I don't know about anyone else that shares my opinion......but I know that the two people that live in this house are by far 'tap dancing'. WE are looking at, our grand children, nieces, nephews, friend's children, etc etc etc......and knowing that it could have easily been them. Fuck the rights of those that need semi automatic or automatic weapons as mental barriers for their own crazy fears and/or extensions of their dicks. What about the rights of the rest of us??? What is the correct reaction to these deaths then, if not advocating for greater gun control?

Kirata -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:36:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Unless you are also advocating making it legal to purchase dynamite at the school snack counter. I was not aware that guns could be purchased at school snack counters, but I absolutely support stopping the practice. K.

LizDeluxe -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:38:35 AM)
Steven, I do agree that in the day that the Constitution was written the 2nd Amendment was proposed for the reason you cited - to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government. Those times have changed. Some would disagree and say today's US government is even more powerful and dangerous than the British were. Be that as it may... Do you think it's possible that the founding fathers (if they were here today) might recognize that while there is much less chance of tyranny in today's time but that given the level of violent crime in our country the 2nd Amendment should still stand to provide the public with a means to defend themselves against one another? People get pissy really fast when you start to quote statistics but look at the numbers for a minute. Think of all of the firearms in private ownership in the US. Think of how many private gun owners there are. Reasonable estimates are 50 million households with guns and maybe 250 million actual firearms. That's a lot of guns - and most of them (we're talking an incredible majority) will never be pointed at another person except in self defense and will never be used in the fashion that we saw yesterday. People keep saying we need to have an open discussion about gun control in the US. We do, but the fact is that their 'open discussion' often means little once they lay their agenda out. I would just like people to look at the facts - all of the facts.

Powergamz1 -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:38:37 AM)
I simply asked for a rational discourse on the scientific and medical reasons behind the actual number of deaths each year, worldwide. You have refused to engage in that discourse. Your 'gotcha' responses have made it clear that you are only here to play an online game that you have called 'debate'. This is real life, and these are real deaths, not pawns for you to gloat over scoring points with. quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 Thanks for proving my point, including the Freudian slip in the first sentence. You are using these deaths (and the thousands of others that occur every year) as an excuse for 'othering' quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I don't know about anyone else that shares my opinion......but I know that the two people that live in this house are by far 'tap dancing'. WE are looking at, our grand children, nieces, nephews, friend's children, etc etc etc......and knowing that it could have easily been them. Fuck the rights of those that need semi automatic or automatic weapons as mental barriers for their own crazy fears and/or extensions of their dicks. What about the rights of the rest of us??? When you come up with a logical debate, rather than blase' personal attacks, let me know.

Yachtie -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:40:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse A change is a coming. It may not be quick enough to save more innocent lives but IT WILL HAPPEN. And it will happen in my lifetime. You're right. It will. But not the change you anticipate.

LaTigresse -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:46:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse A change is a coming. It may not be quick enough to save more innocent lives but IT WILL HAPPEN. And it will happen in my lifetime. You're right. It will. But not the change you anticipate. We shall see. Kinda like how I predicted the last two elections would go.......and did.

Yachtie -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:46:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe quote: ORIGINAL: thezeppo What is the correct reaction to these deaths then, if not advocating for greater gun control? someone frothing at the mouth like the OP? That's the foundation of gun control. Similar to what gave us prohibition.

igor2003 -> RE: Simply an opinion. (12/15/2012 8:57:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u I have,and always will be very vocal about how I feel about guns,and the pervasive "gun culture" in this country. Well now we have little children to bury in Newton Conn. and I have had it. In my opinion anyone who has ever argued a pro gun position,anyone who has ever taken a stance against reasonable gun control legislation,anyone who has ever used the bullshit "slippery slope" argument has blood on their hands. The blood of children. Now many of you are going to blast me for this ,I just might lose some "friends" here for posting this. I don't fucking care,we in this country have for far too long embraced the mayhem,we have suffered the tragedy's and we have buried the dead All at the alter of a few words written 200 years ago. It's time for the madness to stop,actually way past time. These were legally held guns in Newton. Yes, they were legally purchased and owned, but NOT by the shooter. A teacher,an elderly woman thought she needed to own three weapons one of them a semi-automatic assault rifle? What does her age, sex, or occupation have to do with anything. Also..."elderly"? Her oldest son was 24, I believe, and that would likely put her age at 45-50...possibly even younger. But no matter her age, it is irrelivent. Her reasons for owning the weapons were her own. You could also ask why someone needs a car that will go 200 mph. There may not be any "common sense" reason for it. But in spite of the fact that a car like that guzzles gas and creates a public risk when mis-used, they are legal. But wait a minute! When one of these tempting public nuisances is stolen and taken for a high speed joy ride and someone dies because of it, do we blame the car owner for owning the car in the first place? Of course not. If this kid in Connecticut had taken his mother's car and crashed it through the wall of the school, killing and maiming kids, would you then be finding fault with the mother for owning the car? Of course not. Would you then be calling her irresponsible? Of course not. But, oh my God...SHE LEGALLY OWNED GUNS! Now I guess she is the devil's spawn! Is she who the NRA is referring to when they talk about "responsible gun owners"? Is she the poster child for the right to bear arms ? This is nothing but "knee jerk" rhetoric. Well she is dead today and we can't ask her why she needed such weapons.....she is dead as a result of owning such weapons Wrong...she is dead because her son decided to kill her. A few weeks ago a man in Wyoming killed his father, his father's girlfriend, and himself, using a bow and arrows and a knife. A few years ago a man in north Idaho killed a family by bludgeoning them to death with a hammer. Not long ago a woman in, I believe it was Las Vegas, had caught her husband cheating and ran over him with her car...twice. This kid in Connecticut didn't kill his mother BECAUSE she had guns. Had the guns not been there he could have easily found other means to use....and 20 little children are dead because she owned,legally,such weapons. Again, the guns were NOT legally owned by the killer, and the fact that the mother owned guns is NOT the reason the kids are dead. They are dead because this kid decided to go on a rampage. Now all of you pro gun folks can come here and blast the shit out of me...I don't fucking care ! I'm going out today for a long walk,Monday I will be on the net seeking out whatever groups here in my area who are trying to do something about guns,I will find them and I will ask how I can help...because bitching about it on a lap top just doesn't cut it anymore,I figure there is blood on my hands too,cause I never did nothing more than bitch. 20 children are dead today.....how long before the next tragedy ? Yes, I am pro-gun when it comes to legal and responsible ownership. I agree that this was a tragedy, and that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. But knee jerk reactions like yours are not going to "solve" anything. All that your vitriol is going to accomplish is to get the hackles up of people that are pro-gun and make them just that much more likely to fight against anything you might suggest or try to accomplish regardless of whether what you have to say has any merit or not.

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