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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Where's the outrage?

Like George Bush's government in Iraq, Obama's administration neither documents nor acknowledges the civilian casualties of the CIA's drone strikes in north-west Pakistan. But a report by the law schools at Stanford and New York universities suggests that during the first three years of his time in office, the 259 strikes for which he is ultimately responsible killed between 297 and 569 civilians, of whom at least 64 were children. These are figures extracted from credible reports: there may be more which have not been fully documented.

From another article 178 Muslim children have been killed by US drone attacks:

But there are nonetheless two key issues highlighted by the intense grief for the Newtown victims compared to the utter indifference to the victims of Obama's militarism. The first is that it underscores how potent and effective the last decade's anti-Muslim dehumanization campaign has been.

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There's one other issue highlighted by this disparate reaction: the question of agency and culpability. It's easy to express rage over the Newtown shooting because so few of us bear any responsibility for it and - although we can take steps to minimize the impact and make similar attacks less likely - there is ultimately little we can do to stop psychotic individuals from snapping. Fury is easy because it's easy to tell ourselves that the perpetrator - the shooter - has so little to do with us and our actions.

Exactly the opposite is true for the violence that continuously kills children and other innocent people in the Muslim world. Many of us empowered and cheer for the person responsible for that. US citizens pay for it, enable it, and now under Obama, most at the very least acquiesce to it if not support it. It's always much more difficult to acknowledge the deaths that we play a role in causing than it is to protest those to which we believe we have no connection. That, too, is a vital factor explaining these differing reactions.

The question was asked in one of these articles: Does Obama shed tears for the Muslim children as well?
Why don't we express outrage at the killing of children in foreign lands by our agency?
Are we not all "terrorists" in a way different than Adam Lanza?

Please read the linked articles.

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Good post. We in the west don't like looking in the mirror because we don't like our own participation in terrorism we claim to abhor.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Where's the outrage?

Like George Bush's government in Iraq, Obama's administration neither documents nor acknowledges the civilian casualties of the CIA's drone strikes in north-west Pakistan. But a report by the law schools at Stanford and New York universities suggests that during the first three years of his time in office, the 259 strikes for which he is ultimately responsible killed between 297 and 569 civilians, of whom at least 64 were children. These are figures extracted from credible reports: there may be more which have not been fully documented.

From another article 178 Muslim children have been killed by US drone attacks:

But there are nonetheless two key issues highlighted by the intense grief for the Newtown victims compared to the utter indifference to the victims of Obama's militarism. The first is that it underscores how potent and effective the last decade's anti-Muslim dehumanization campaign has been.

[SNIP]

There's one other issue highlighted by this disparate reaction: the question of agency and culpability. It's easy to express rage over the Newtown shooting because so few of us bear any responsibility for it and - although we can take steps to minimize the impact and make similar attacks less likely - there is ultimately little we can do to stop psychotic individuals from snapping. Fury is easy because it's easy to tell ourselves that the perpetrator - the shooter - has so little to do with us and our actions.

Exactly the opposite is true for the violence that continuously kills children and other innocent people in the Muslim world. Many of us empowered and cheer for the person responsible for that. US citizens pay for it, enable it, and now under Obama, most at the very least acquiesce to it if not support it. It's always much more difficult to acknowledge the deaths that we play a role in causing than it is to protest those to which we believe we have no connection. That, too, is a vital factor explaining these differing reactions.

The question was asked in one of these articles: Does Obama shed tears for the Muslim children as well?
Why don't we express outrage at the killing of children in foreign lands by our agency?
Are we not all "terrorists" in a way different than Adam Lanza?

Please read the linked articles.

Your thoughts?

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Good post. We in the west don't like looking in the mirror because we don't like our own participation in terrorism we claim to abhor.

It is not a reality because the Media do not broadcast the faces to us perhaps.

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ORIGINAL: bossman777

Good Post. The hypocrisy of Obama and the Democrats is astounding.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

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ORIGINAL: bossman777

Good Post. The hypocrisy of Obama and the Democrats is astounding.

Indeed, astounding in its lack of sophistication. They really should learn from the NRA and the Republicans - Who have raised hypocrisy to a fucking art form.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

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ORIGINAL: bossman777

Good Post. The hypocrisy of Obama and the Democrats is astounding.

Indeed, astounding in its lack of sophistication. They really should learn from the NRA and the Republicans - Who have raised hypocrisy to a fucking art form.

You should really come up with some new excuses. The "they did it first" and "they do it to" is really getting old.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

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ORIGINAL: bossman777

Good Post. The hypocrisy of Obama and the Democrats is astounding.

Indeed, astounding in its lack of sophistication. They really should learn from the NRA and the Republicans - Who have raised hypocrisy to a fucking art form.

You should really come up with some new excuses. The "they did it first" and "they do it to" is really getting old.

Bless you. I don't think you quite know what you're talking about.... since I edited the relevant post some time ago, in part because it contained a level of irony that would be likely to fly right over some people's heads.

But hey!

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
there is ultimately little we can do to stop psychotic individuals from snapping. Fury is easy because it's easy to tell ourselves that the perpetrator - the shooter - has so little to do with us and our actions
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well,.. if the latest info/news reports are to be believed, the CT shooter did not snap.. he planned out his attack very thoroughly.. it has been reported he tried to buy a rifle earlier in the week (he was refused, probably cuz of his age not meeting requirements?), he destroyed his computer before going to the school cuz he didnt want anyone figuring out why he did it.. It has also been reported that his mother was trying to get him committed to a mental institution & that was his motive.. And yes, that event hit home with Americans cuz they saw possibility of their own children or grandchildren as victims, maybe not this time but maybe next time.. its too close to home and real.. and of course, the media is pushing those emotional buttons also..

That said,.. I disagree with the US involvement in other countries.. I disagreed with Libya, Iraq, etc.. and according to some historians, the US created those mid-east terrorists way back when they were screwing around with the Shay of Iran.. Today your disregard for the lives of those civilians & children killed in those countries is creating tomorrows hate of America.. but America doesnt seem to even see that.. Even when the US isnt invading other countries, it forces the peaceful ones to adopt laws & policies the US wants, both politically and thru economic sanctions, threats of duties & restrictions, and if it doesnt get what it wants this year, it just keeps hammering away at them.. it goes beyond Obama, its all US presidents (both R & D) that have done this.. and it will continue in the future with the next one, the one after that, etc.. cuz you keep electing the same politician, he just has a different face & name.. his master is Big War, Big Oil, Big Insurance, Big Business, not the American voters..

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

No one in Newtown was harboring combatants intent on killing American women and children and hiding among civilians as far as I know.

Butch

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Not even the shooter's mum?

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That nutcase sure was not hiding...Moon this type of comparison is ridiculous and typical of vince, Why does he not mention Muslims killing Muslim children in Syria as well for instance.. At least we try not to kill innocents they do it on purpose.

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I feel for all the children accidentally killed in our wars but I blame their fathers…and brothers for their death just as much as our bombs…it should be a shared shame not ours alone.

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I fail to see the equivalence between a civil war within Syria with the US invasion and drone attacks on foreign towns and villages

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Butch, you buy the story that terrorists are hiding amonst the children