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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/28/2012 10:26:32 AM   
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because the chemicals used get into ground water, and there is a tendency for methane gas to travel with the well water into homes, makes it a fun night when the water in your shower catches fire.


You do know that methane at times naturally moves into aquifers, right?

Indeed it does but it's incredibly rare and tends to be associated with seismic activity.

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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/28/2012 2:19:35 PM   
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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/29/2012 9:35:19 AM   
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because the chemicals used get into ground water, and there is a tendency for methane gas to travel with the well water into homes, makes it a fun night when the water in your shower catches fire.



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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/29/2012 10:02:32 AM   
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They don't do fracking over here, but it's news to me that there was any doubt that it contaminates groundwater. There's quite a bit in Schlosser's Fast Food Nation (obviously a partisan liberal tirade against wealth creators, bear in mind) about cattle ranchers and smallholders in the southwest who've had their land destroyed by fracking for gas nearby.

Those so-called partisan 'liberal tirades' (again you denigrate the messenger) would be quite correct. They have a right to compensation and more when it is their ranch or some 'smallholder' property who 'had their land destroyed.'

The wealth 'created' (which it is not) it is extracted by labor, are in fact the profiteering or carpetbagger class who reaps almost all of the cash wealth from this resource.

Nobody 'creates' wealth, all of the wealth in the world was created by nature...or God, if you are a believer.

Another example of what even some conservatives call... rapacious capitalism, i.e., in this case...raping the land.

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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/29/2012 12:37:32 PM   
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I would like for you to explain how the following happens... specifically, how do the chemicals get into the ground water:


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because the chemicals used get into ground water, and there is a tendency for methane gas to travel with the well water into homes, makes it a fun night when the water in your shower catches fire.



The groundwater resides in a porous layer known as an aquifer. The best drinking water aquifers have a nonporous layer above and below that traps the water and prevents contamination from the surface. These layers are called aquicludes.
To obtain drinking water, a hole is drilled into the aquifer and pipe installed. Put a well pump at the bottom and you have your working well.
Oil/gas bearing layers are typically below the aquifer. A hole is drilled and lined with pipe. Oil can be pumped out or gas extracted and it flows thru the pipe without contaminating the drinking water unless there is a break in the pipe which is rare.
The problem occurs during fracking.
This process shatters the layers of rock that contain the oil and gas to release more hydrocarbons. It is not uncommon for other layers of rock to be fractured as well.
If a fracture occurs in an aquiclude that is between oil/gas bearing rock layers and an aquifer then methane, heavier hydrocarbons and the chemicals used in fracking (they tend to be highly toxic) are free to migrate into the aquifer making it useless for drinking water.

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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/31/2012 10:57:32 AM   
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I would like for you to explain how the following happens... specifically, how do the chemicals get into the ground water:


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

because the chemicals used get into ground water, and there is a tendency for methane gas to travel with the well water into homes, makes it a fun night when the water in your shower catches fire.



The groundwater resides in a porous layer known as an aquifer. The best drinking water aquifers have a nonporous layer above and below that traps the water and prevents contamination from the surface. These layers are called aquicludes.
To obtain drinking water, a hole is drilled into the aquifer and pipe installed. Put a well pump at the bottom and you have your working well.
Oil/gas bearing layers are typically below the aquifer. A hole is drilled and lined with pipe. Oil can be pumped out or gas extracted and it flows thru the pipe without contaminating the drinking water unless there is a break in the pipe which is rare.
The problem occurs during fracking.
This process shatters the layers of rock that contain the oil and gas to release more hydrocarbons. It is not uncommon for other layers of rock to be fractured as well.
If a fracture occurs in an aquiclude that is between oil/gas bearing rock layers and an aquifer then methane, heavier hydrocarbons and the chemicals used in fracking (they tend to be highly toxic) are free to migrate into the aquifer making it useless for drinking water.



Do you know the average TVD of the wells on the major shale plays versus the comparatively shallow depth of the aquifers? I am a petroleum engineer for an E&P company. I write job designs for completions operations, of which hydraulic fracturing is a part. I am seriously beside myself trying to figure out how people are convinced that perforation and pressure pumping at distances of 7000-9000 feet from surface are going to affect aquifers.

I have another theory altogether on why the anti-frac crowd is being given any face time at all in the media. Remember the puppet Al Gore's failed 'carbon credits' plan?

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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/31/2012 11:43:20 AM   
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The groundwater resides in a porous layer known as an aquifer. The best drinking water aquifers have a nonporous layer above and below that traps the water and prevents contamination from the surface. These layers are called aquicludes.
To obtain drinking water, a hole is drilled into the aquifer and pipe installed. Put a well pump at the bottom and you have your working well.
Oil/gas bearing layers are typically below the aquifer. A hole is drilled and lined with pipe. Oil can be pumped out or gas extracted and it flows thru the pipe without contaminating the drinking water unless there is a break in the pipe which is rare.
The problem occurs during fracking.
This process shatters the layers of rock that contain the oil and gas to release more hydrocarbons. It is not uncommon for other layers of rock to be fractured as well.
If a fracture occurs in an aquiclude that is between oil/gas bearing rock layers and an aquifer then methane, heavier hydrocarbons and the chemicals used in fracking (they tend to be highly toxic) are free to migrate into the aquifer making it useless for drinking water.

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Do you know the average TVD of the wells on the major shale plays versus the comparatively shallow depth of the aquifers? I am a petroleum engineer for an E&P company. I write job designs for completions operations, of which hydraulic fracturing is a part. I am seriously beside myself trying to figure out how people are convinced that perforation and pressure pumping at distances of 7000-9000 feet from surface are going to affect aquifers.

I have another theory altogether on why the anti-frac crowd is being given any face time at all in the media. Remember the puppet Al Gore's failed 'carbon credits' plan?

If you're a petroleum engineer, why did you bother to ask "I would like for you to explain how the following happens... specifically, how do the chemicals get into the ground water:"?

Trolling anyone?

Water can also be contaminated from the top down.
"Hydraulic fracturing uses between 1.2 and 3.5 million US gallons (4.5 and 13 Ml) of water per well, with large projects using up to 5 million US gallons (19 Ml). Additional water is used when wells are refractured; this may be done several times.[41][78] An average well requires 3 to 8 million US gallons (11,000 to 30,000 m3) of water over its lifetime.[34][77][78][79] "
Not all that water stays in the hole. Is it run thru a treatment plant? Nope.

The Oglala aquifer is already heavily stressed due to agricultural use. It just so happens that the Bakken shale is one of the better hopes for the industry. Who gets the water?

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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/31/2012 11:58:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: youdneverknowit


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: youdneverknowit

I would like for you to explain how the following happens... specifically, how do the chemicals get into the ground water:


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

because the chemicals used get into ground water, and there is a tendency for methane gas to travel with the well water into homes, makes it a fun night when the water in your shower catches fire.



The groundwater resides in a porous layer known as an aquifer. The best drinking water aquifers have a nonporous layer above and below that traps the water and prevents contamination from the surface. These layers are called aquicludes.
To obtain drinking water, a hole is drilled into the aquifer and pipe installed. Put a well pump at the bottom and you have your working well.
Oil/gas bearing layers are typically below the aquifer. A hole is drilled and lined with pipe. Oil can be pumped out or gas extracted and it flows thru the pipe without contaminating the drinking water unless there is a break in the pipe which is rare.
The problem occurs during fracking.
This process shatters the layers of rock that contain the oil and gas to release more hydrocarbons. It is not uncommon for other layers of rock to be fractured as well.
If a fracture occurs in an aquiclude that is between oil/gas bearing rock layers and an aquifer then methane, heavier hydrocarbons and the chemicals used in fracking (they tend to be highly toxic) are free to migrate into the aquifer making it useless for drinking water.



Do you know the average TVD of the wells on the major shale plays versus the comparatively shallow depth of the aquifers? I am a petroleum engineer for an E&P company. I write job designs for completions operations, of which hydraulic fracturing is a part. I am seriously beside myself trying to figure out how people are convinced that perforation and pressure pumping at distances of 7000-9000 feet from surface are going to affect aquifers.

I have another theory altogether on why the anti-frac crowd is being given any face time at all in the media. Remember the puppet Al Gore's failed 'carbon credits' plan?

Or perhaps you don't have a clue?

We're concerned because fracking has resulted in so much groundwater contamination that a drinking water well exploded.
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/nearly-a-year-after-a-water-well-explosion-dimock-twp-residents-thirst-for-gas-well-fix-1.365743

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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/31/2012 3:43:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam




The groundwater resides in a porous layer known as an aquifer. The best drinking water aquifers have a nonporous layer above and below that traps the water and prevents contamination from the surface. These layers are called aquicludes.
To obtain drinking water, a hole is drilled into the aquifer and pipe installed. Put a well pump at the bottom and you have your working well.
Oil/gas bearing layers are typically below the aquifer. A hole is drilled and lined with pipe. Oil can be pumped out or gas extracted and it flows thru the pipe without contaminating the drinking water unless there is a break in the pipe which is rare.
The problem occurs during fracking.
This process shatters the layers of rock that contain the oil and gas to release more hydrocarbons. It is not uncommon for other layers of rock to be fractured as well.
If a fracture occurs in an aquiclude that is between oil/gas bearing rock layers and an aquifer then methane, heavier hydrocarbons and the chemicals used in fracking (they tend to be highly toxic) are free to migrate into the aquifer making it useless for drinking water.

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Do you know the average TVD of the wells on the major shale plays versus the comparatively shallow depth of the aquifers? I am a petroleum engineer for an E&P company. I write job designs for completions operations, of which hydraulic fracturing is a part. I am seriously beside myself trying to figure out how people are convinced that perforation and pressure pumping at distances of 7000-9000 feet from surface are going to affect aquifers.

I have another theory altogether on why the anti-frac crowd is being given any face time at all in the media. Remember the puppet Al Gore's failed 'carbon credits' plan?

If you're a petroleum engineer, why did you bother to ask "I would like for you to explain how the following happens... specifically, how do the chemicals get into the ground water:"?

Trolling anyone?

Water can also be contaminated from the top down.
"Hydraulic fracturing uses between 1.2 and 3.5 million US gallons (4.5 and 13 Ml) of water per well, with large projects using up to 5 million US gallons (19 Ml). Additional water is used when wells are refractured; this may be done several times.[41][78] An average well requires 3 to 8 million US gallons (11,000 to 30,000 m3) of water over its lifetime.[34][77][78][79] "
Not all that water stays in the hole. Is it run thru a treatment plant? Nope.

The Oglala aquifer is already heavily stressed due to agricultural use. It just so happens that the Bakken shale is one of the better hopes for the industry. Who gets the water?


You state "Not all that water stays in the hole. Is it run thru a treatment plant? Nope." --- That which does not remain downhole is evacuated through an operation called "Flow Back." It is either reused or it is treated.

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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/31/2012 3:46:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: youdneverknowit


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: youdneverknowit

I would like for you to explain how the following happens... specifically, how do the chemicals get into the ground water:


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

because the chemicals used get into ground water, and there is a tendency for methane gas to travel with the well water into homes, makes it a fun night when the water in your shower catches fire.



The groundwater resides in a porous layer known as an aquifer. The best drinking water aquifers have a nonporous layer above and below that traps the water and prevents contamination from the surface. These layers are called aquicludes.
To obtain drinking water, a hole is drilled into the aquifer and pipe installed. Put a well pump at the bottom and you have your working well.
Oil/gas bearing layers are typically below the aquifer. A hole is drilled and lined with pipe. Oil can be pumped out or gas extracted and it flows thru the pipe without contaminating the drinking water unless there is a break in the pipe which is rare.
The problem occurs during fracking.
This process shatters the layers of rock that contain the oil and gas to release more hydrocarbons. It is not uncommon for other layers of rock to be fractured as well.
If a fracture occurs in an aquiclude that is between oil/gas bearing rock layers and an aquifer then methane, heavier hydrocarbons and the chemicals used in fracking (they tend to be highly toxic) are free to migrate into the aquifer making it useless for drinking water.



Do you know the average TVD of the wells on the major shale plays versus the comparatively shallow depth of the aquifers? I am a petroleum engineer for an E&P company. I write job designs for completions operations, of which hydraulic fracturing is a part. I am seriously beside myself trying to figure out how people are convinced that perforation and pressure pumping at distances of 7000-9000 feet from surface are going to affect aquifers.

I have another theory altogether on why the anti-frac crowd is being given any face time at all in the media. Remember the puppet Al Gore's failed 'carbon credits' plan?

Or perhaps you don't have a clue?

We're concerned because fracking has resulted in so much groundwater contamination that a drinking water well exploded.
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/nearly-a-year-after-a-water-well-explosion-dimock-twp-residents-thirst-for-gas-well-fix-1.365743



Or... perhaps you don't have a clue that there's the rest of the story being left out. http://blogscloc.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-truth-about-dimock.html

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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/31/2012 3:51:53 PM   
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You contaminate the Delaware and well over 20 or 30 million people will have no clean water. There are no alternatives for these people.

The risk is too great.

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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/31/2012 3:54:29 PM   
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Was that a result of the fracking by theNG drillers? Yes.

The blog you posted was a semi literate rant claiming all kinds of stuff about the lawsuit. The facts that fracking resulted in enough methane entering a drinking water well to cause it explode is undisputed.

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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/31/2012 5:33:22 PM   
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You state "Not all that water stays in the hole. Is it run thru a treatment plant? Nope." --- That which does not remain downhole is evacuated through an operation called "Flow Back." It is either reused or it is treated.

Got a shred of evidence for that or are you just spouting the big petrol propaganda.

I call bullshit on both your claims.

Either you're not a petroleum engineer or you're trolling. It has to be one or the other.
The water isnt treated.

Yaknow big petroleum..they guys who make 3 billion dollars a month while they say "Follow the money" and point to Algore who pulls in about a mill every year.

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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/31/2012 5:59:34 PM   
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You state "Not all that water stays in the hole. Is it run thru a treatment plant? Nope." --- That which does not remain downhole is evacuated through an operation called "Flow Back." It is either reused or it is treated.

Got a shred of evidence for that or are you just spouting the big petrol propaganda.

I call bullshit on both your claims.

Either you're not a petroleum engineer or you're trolling. It has to be one or the other.
The water isnt treated.

Yaknow big petroleum..they guys who make 3 billion dollars a month while they say "Follow the money" and point to Algore who pulls in about a mill every year.



I sure as hell didn't get this "Al Gore" thing from working in E&P. I was on to Al Gore several years ago when I was concluding my time in the Marine Corps. Ya know... the whole, "federal reserve" and "International banking" enterprises that seek to create a new form of currency... this time, carbon credits. Btw... 9/11 wasn't 19 hijackers either. So, yeah... I'm 100% a conspiracy theorist, and I'm here telling you that there's more to the effort behind the scenes of this anti-fracking than some well-intentioned people who care about the environment. That's not something that's discussed among my peers. They know as much about my political views (which, to my knowledge, are not shared here) as they do about my sexual deviance.

That's a hell of statement there... I'm not who I claim, or I'm trolling. It has to be one or the other... <--- right, because you would know. I guess it's that telepathic gift you must have. I come on here and disagree with you and therefore I am not credible. Wow. To have a worldview that makes you smarter than everyone else, and then gives you license to discredit anyone's credentials because you already 'know' everything. Unbelievable. I won't call you a derrogatory name... but there are a couple that come to mind.

And for the shred of evidence. Good fuckin God dude... just go to any pumping site and you'll see flowback there. Ask any flowback operator out there what his company does. Then ask a water transfer guy what his company does. Geez... It's comical almost to me... I live this everyday, and you're asking me for evidence. HAH!

Just google "flowback" or frac fluid water disposal/treatment --- Here, I'll make it easy on you: http://www.shalegas.energy.gov/resources/HF2_e1.pdf

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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/31/2012 6:23:20 PM   
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You state "Not all that water stays in the hole. Is it run thru a treatment plant? Nope." --- That which does not remain downhole is evacuated through an operation called "Flow Back." It is either reused or it is treated.

Got a shred of evidence for that or are you just spouting the big petrol propaganda.

I call bullshit on both your claims.

Either you're not a petroleum engineer or you're trolling. It has to be one or the other.
The water isnt treated.

Yaknow big petroleum..they guys who make 3 billion dollars a month while they say "Follow the money" and point to Algore who pulls in about a mill every year.



I sure as hell didn't get this "Al Gore" thing from working in E&P. I was on to Al Gore several years ago when I was concluding my time in the Marine Corps. Ya know... the whole, "federal reserve" and "International banking" enterprises that seek to create a new form of currency... this time, carbon credits. Btw... 9/11 wasn't 19 hijackers either. So, yeah... I'm 100% a conspiracy theorist, and I'm here telling you that there's more to the effort behind the scenes of this anti-fracking than some well-intentioned people who care about the environment. That's not something that's discussed among my peers. They know as much about my political views (which, to my knowledge, are not shared here) as they do about my sexual deviance.

That's a hell of statement there... I'm not who I claim, or I'm trolling. It has to be one or the other... <--- right, because you would know. I guess it's that telepathic gift you must have. I come on here and disagree with you and therefore I am not credible. Wow. To have a worldview that makes you smarter than everyone else, and then gives you license to discredit anyone's credentials because you already 'know' everything. Unbelievable. I won't call you a derrogatory name... but there are a couple that come to mind.

And for the shred of evidence. Good fuckin God dude... just go to any pumping site and you'll see flowback there. Ask any flowback operator out there what his company does. Then ask a water transfer guy what his company does. Geez... It's comical almost to me... I live this everyday, and you're asking me for evidence. HAH!

Just google "flowback" or frac fluid water disposal/treatment --- Here, I'll make it easy on you: http://www.shalegas.energy.gov/resources/HF2_e1.pdf

So. now, you're an ex marine AND an Engineer.

You're 32 and you've had time to serve in the marines then go to school and become an engineer.

It's possible OK.

I know it's possible to treat the flowback water but DO they do it? You've shown nothing.

YTou totally missed why I mentioned trolling. I'd think someone who was an engineer (yaknow logical thought) would know what I was talking about.

I'll spell it out.
One form of trolling is asking questions you already know the answer to.
Either A: You knew the answer to the question you asked and were trolling (any petroleum engineer would know that)
or B: You decided to peresent yourself as an engineer AFTER you saw the answer to your question.

Which is it? Is it Trolling or Lying?

As for smarter? Statistically, I probably am.

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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/31/2012 8:35:25 PM   
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Technically, I did none of that. I asked a question to see what response I would get. Asking a question to which I already know the answer is not trolling by said definition. It might be considered a lawyer tactic... but it wasn't for the purpose of getting an emotional response. It wasn't inflammatory or off-topic. If, however, that falls under your meaning of trolling, well fuck... guilty as charged. That's pretty neat how you just get to make a semantic anywhere you choose.

An initial active duty tour in the U.S. military is generally four years. An average BS in Engineering takes 5 years to complete. A total of nine years. I graduated high school almost 14 years ago. I've had plenty of time to do both. My academic pursuit was broken up by my enlistment. Besides, there are consultants who are working in completions who are younger than me. There is nothing odd about this at all.

And btw, I'm not an ex marine. I am a former Marine... bitch.

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RE: Fracking . . or not? - 12/31/2012 8:43:55 PM   
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You state "Not all that water stays in the hole. Is it run thru a treatment plant? Nope." --- That which does not remain downhole is evacuated through an operation called "Flow Back." It is either reused or it is treated.

Got a shred of evidence for that or are you just spouting the big petrol propaganda.

I call bullshit on both your claims.

Either you're not a petroleum engineer or you're trolling. It has to be one or the other.
The water isnt treated.

Yaknow big petroleum..they guys who make 3 billion dollars a month while they say "Follow the money" and point to Algore who pulls in about a mill every year.



I sure as hell didn't get this "Al Gore" thing from working in E&P. I was on to Al Gore several years ago when I was concluding my time in the Marine Corps. Ya know... the whole, "federal reserve" and "International banking" enterprises that seek to create a new form of currency... this time, carbon credits. Btw... 9/11 wasn't 19 hijackers either. So, yeah... I'm 100% a conspiracy theorist, and I'm here telling you that there's more to the effort behind the scenes of this anti-fracking than some well-intentioned people who care about the environment. That's not something that's discussed among my peers. They know as much about my political views (which, to my knowledge, are not shared here) as they do about my sexual deviance.

That's a hell of statement there... I'm not who I claim, or I'm trolling. It has to be one or the other... <--- right, because you would know. I guess it's that telepathic gift you must have. I come on here and disagree with you and therefore I am not credible. Wow. To have a worldview that makes you smarter than everyone else, and then gives you license to discredit anyone's credentials because you already 'know' everything. Unbelievable. I won't call you a derrogatory name... but there are a couple that come to mind.

And for the shred of evidence. Good fuckin God dude... just go to any pumping site and you'll see flowback there. Ask any flowback operator out there what his company does. Then ask a water transfer guy what his company does. Geez... It's comical almost to me... I live this everyday, and you're asking me for evidence. HAH!

Just google "flowback" or frac fluid water disposal/treatment --- Here, I'll make it easy on you: http://www.shalegas.energy.gov/resources/HF2_e1.pdf

So. now, you're an ex marine AND an Engineer.

You're 32 and you've had time to serve in the marines then go to school and become an engineer.

It's possible OK.

I know it's possible to treat the flowback water but DO they do it? You've shown nothing.

YTou totally missed why I mentioned trolling. I'd think someone who was an engineer (yaknow logical thought) would know what I was talking about.

I'll spell it out.
One form of trolling is asking questions you already know the answer to.
Either A: You knew the answer to the question you asked and were trolling (any petroleum engineer would know that)
or B: You decided to peresent yourself as an engineer AFTER you saw the answer to your question.

Which is it? Is it Trolling or Lying?

As for smarter? Statistically, I probably am.



Here's a company that sells it as a service. http://www.hoffland.net/frac-water-flow-back-treatment.html

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