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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 1:09:17 PM   
Politesub53


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This section explains your rights and responsibilities while you are living temporarily or permanently in the UK.

During your stay here, you have the right to:

be treated fairly and lawfully regardless of your race, gender, age, religion, sexual orientation or any disability; and
practise your own religion - similarly, you are expected to show respect for people of other faiths[/quoted]

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 1:15:14 PM   
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Isn't a terrible world where people you don't like get to say things that you don't agree with in your media? Quelle horreur!

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 1:16:27 PM   
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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 1:21:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		It isnt as if Morgans modus operandi was unknown before he got his job in the US, is it.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 1:23:30 PM   
meomymaid


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Status: offline 		oh guys,

you are funny.

Couple of thoughts.
"All men are created equal", over time this extended over slavery and womens as rights. So not only white american males.
Now immigration is a whole different law and issue. There is this clause of "good moral character", or a rubber band.
If the immigration Judge considers Morgan not to be "by standards and values" of the american Constitution of such, his ass ist out.
Morgan, involved in the Murdock telefon hacking in the UK is certainly not of good moral character as we would define it.
His 'moral character' is at least questoinable. Further (not related, but important) the President executes the Law, he doesn't make them. By virtue of the Consitution he can not even propose a law to Congress as he isn't a member of it. Whenever I hear anyone beating up the President (blue or red), i ask myself, if these people ever understood how laws are made in the US. there is not ONE example in our history where a President made a law. simply because he doesn't have the power to do so. how could he, if he can't even vote on it? he can only sign a Law or veto it. and by a majority of 2/3 in Congress his veto goes down the drain.
what we hear from the press is simply that those jerks on either aisle do not understand the process of how laws are made in the US or plainly use false statements.

for anyone who comes up with 'exceutive orders', they are an interpretation of the law to run the country. never have they been tested by the Supreme Court.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 1:46:04 PM   
meomymaid


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Status: offline 		I don't know how to edit my stuff, but here is something else.

Entry to the US is entirely up to the USCIS Officer. There is no Law on the books by which a forgein national can sue for legal entry. If i am not mistaken, there has been (at least) one incident where an US citizen was denied lawful entry to the US. The US is very different to the UK, whereby the UK has many 'virtual' issues with the EU. The UK (as far as i recall) isn't participant of the Schengen agreement.

Even if a lawful Visa was issued to a forgein national, the USCIS officer has the last word. A little much power in my opinion, but that is how it works. In turn, those Officers are not accountable for their actions.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 1:54:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
What people keep forgetting is that the first amendment is a "shield" for the citizen against government prosecuting them for speaking out.

No where in the First amendment does it say citizen.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 1:55:54 PM   
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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 1:57:21 PM   
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Eighteen immigrants have sued the federal government to allege they were wrongly denied entry into a program that grants legal residency to foreign entrepreneurs.

The program allows entrepreneurs who wish to immigrate to America to invest $500,000 and directly or indirectly create 10 jobs in exchange for a conditional residency, said Ira Kurzban, the Miami-based attorney representing the plaintiffs

In a lawsuit filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, the plaintiffs said they invested in a nearly $12 million project to renovate a Riverside, Calif., office building that had been vacant for two years before renting it to a tenant who created 278 jobs. The plaintiffs hail from China, India, Iran and other countries.

"At a time of high unemployment, when these investments are supposed to create jobs for U.S. workers, it's difficult to understand why (U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services) would deny the petitions of people who have put up all this money," said Ira Kurzban.

A call seeking comment from a USCIS spokeswoman in Los Angeles was not immediately returned.

Kurzban added that some of the plaintiffs had their admission to the program revoked after gaining entry.

The immigrants were traveling a well-worn path to residency by investing through American Life Development Company LLC, which has experience setting up limited partnerships on projects for groups of immigrants, Kurzban said.

http://www.pjstar.com/free/x551366486/18-immigrants-sue-U-S-over-entry-program-denials



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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 1:57:43 PM   
meomymaid


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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 2:04:01 PM   
meomymaid


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Status: offline 		Dear Lady,

there are two different things. Visa and Immigration. Becoming a US citizen via obtaining a Visa and green card is much more difficult than via other means. one idea behind our process is to establish a cultural bound, which is a little difficult based on investment.
Whilst we are a country based on commerce, we also do realize that those who want to be part of our society have to adopt.
If you ever go over the USCIS requirements, you will find those requirements in question. For those that obtain residency via investment, the hurdles are much higher.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 2:12:49 PM   
tazzygirl


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There is no Law on the books by which a forgein national can sue for legal entry.


Which is plainly not true.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 2:15:44 PM   
meomymaid


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Status: offline 		Dear Lady,

how do you want to file a claim when you never entered the US? That is my point. When the USCIS officer doesn't let you pass, you have no legal rights to object. Once that hurdle has been passed, it is a different issue, but that is not what i wrote.

Again, my words are 'for legal entry'. there is no such law that anyone can sue the US to be let in.
Once they are in, the game is different.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 2:27:31 PM   
tazzygirl


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Kurzban added that some of the plaintiffs had their admission to the program revoked after gaining entry.


Indicating that some had not been admitted, yet they are part of the lawsuit.

Just because someone sues doesnt mean they will win. But, as obvious by the link above, they can sue.



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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 2:32:31 PM   
meomymaid


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Status: offline 		Exactly my point.

It was granted and revoked. They can file all day long, they have no merrit. There is no Law on the books that would cover them.
Even if the Officer was doing something unlawful, there is no entitlement.

Edit: If they have not been deported, the story is a different one.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 2:33:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

It isnt as if Morgans modus operandi was unknown before he got his job in the US, is it.


It astonishes me how far Piers Moron has got on the basis of so little talent and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he actually had no idea that he'd get that kind of backlash. Still, I guess people have the right to say what they want - though that also includes the right to make comments along the lines of "Why don't you **** off home?".

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 2:37:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: meomymaid

Exactly my point.

It was granted and revoked. They can file all day long, they have no merrit. There is no Law on the books that would cover them.
Even if the Officer was doing something unlawful, there is no entitlement.


This isnt a case of "entitlement". Suits are also brought about because someone didnt follow the rules. And, for that, you can sue.


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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 2:44:09 PM   
meomymaid


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Status: offline 		Dear Lady,

there is no court in the US that would ever take the case of a forgein national trying to sue his entry into the States.
Simply doesn't exist. Won't happen.

If they are on US soil and the admission was revoked, they can go to an immigration judge.
Otherwise, a revoked visa is a revoked visa and there is no way to sue for the right of admission to the US.

Before you go further, please provide a case study. i am fairly sound on that subject.
A case law would be appreciated.

The US has no court that adresses the issues of forgein nationals not residing in the US for immigration purposes.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 3:04:47 PM   
tazzygirl


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there is no court in the US that would ever take the case of a forgein national trying to sue his entry into the States.


I just showed you one.




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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/24/2012 3:14:46 PM   
meomymaid


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Status: offline 		The aritcle doesn't state all that is required.

i.e. willingness to reside in the US, pass all the security checks among others.
God thanks just tossing out money isn't enough to live here. Osama had enough of that.

This isn't a case law, this is a claim filed. the article misses the depth that is required to even pass the simplest immigration requirements.

Whilst there is a provision to grant resident alien rights based on investment, it doesn't mean everything else is off the table.
The USCIS makes it very clear that there is no gurantee that because of an investment this is linked to resident alien rights as business interest can be represented by a trustee.

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