RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion



Message


punisher440 -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 7:15:27 AM)

quote:

Maybe *you* need to read a little about war in general, and also gain at least a bit of grip on reality. Propaganda and psychological warfare has always been an integral part of every war. Leaflets, radio transmissions, and even loudspeakers in the barricades of each side blasting demoralizing messages to the barricades of the other side were very common in all theaters of the WWII, targeting both civilians and soldiers. In virtually every case of this kind, the only reasonable thing to do for each side was to ignore them, of course.

But even if an exception was to be somehow made to those particular propaganda messages that you are referring to, just think: the article you pointed to admits that the leaflets were dropped on 35 cities, and that this was done just 5 days before the bombings. Here comes the hard part, the one which requires the thinking: Where was the population of 35 cities supposed to go? How could the evacuation of entire cities be accomplished in 5 days? And how could the authorities of Japan, or of any country in their shoes, possibly permit such a massive panicky exodus of civilians from urban centers in response to propaganda? The only thing those leaflets accomplished was to make those who dropped them feel better. Just as dropping the bombs a few days later made them feel better. If you want to feel better, suit yourself, but oh, what a poor excuse for self-exoneration!


Way to try and back peddle once again,you first try saying the bombing was a sneak attack then try blowing the warnings off by throwing out the propaganda flag.Of course propaganda is used by every side...but it isn't propaganda per se when you are telling the truth and you can see your enemy is not losing the war.So instead of laying the blame at the feet of the Japanese and their government,you want to blame the U.S. for the civilians not leaving Hiroshima and Nagasaki? I do not claim to be an expert on WW2,but I have read and studied numerous books on war with many being about WW2.Am I one that thinks the U.S. won WW2 all by themselves? No,for I know the Russians did much to take down Germany but they had supply help from the U.S. while it was mostly the U.S. fighting Japan.You might try reading about the Japanese and how they fought during WW2,especially on Saipan and Okinawa and about the "Divine Wind".Maybe read how the Japanese government was training school children to fight the coming U.S. invasion with bamboo spears..read a little on the planned ketsugo defense of the Japanese homeland.Predictions by most knowledgable sources say the U.S. would have had 500,000 casualties and a virtual wiping out of every Japanese given the ratio of killed vs. captured in other battles.And please don't try to say the civilians would have surrendered,they would be defending their "sacred homeland".Look up Marpi Point in Saipan to see just how willing the civilians were to surrender.
quote:

Before making such fanciful accusations as calling me a "history rewriter", please do bother to read the entire thread, or at least all of my previous comments

I have read the entire thread and still say you are like some trying to rewrite history.
quote:

Uh-oh! I guess I better shut up now, lest my careless talk spares my people from some future "Operation Greek Freedom" or something. We would not want to miss the chance to have some Usaian "defense and liberation" raining down on us, as has happened to so many others so close to us here, that you could smell their bodies burning.

I guess you would rather be calling your fellow Greeks товарищи [comrades in Russian].And I am quite sure that in the past the grateful civilians the ancient Greeks conquered in countries reaching as far away as Afghanistan were happy that the Greeks were welcome guests in their countries.I guess the smell of all those bodies the Greeks killed is so far in the past the stench is no longer there.So spare us your whining because Greece is no longer a world power and you want to act like your past did not mirror ours.




Okeanos -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 7:38:01 AM)

LOL good thing I met this punisher440 dude to learn that Greece is no longer a world power!

Dude, you wrote 369 words in about 30 sentences, and I do not think a single one of them was pertinent to what I wrote.

You must be the master of the blatant warantless presumption and the wild tangential argument.

I have better things to do with my time than dealing with the likes of you and the other dude with the oversized cock in his avatar.

It is a pity that so many of your kind are populating the country which is, unfortunately, in our times, the world superpower.

But then again, bullies have always been, and will always be, brainless, right?




mnottertail -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 7:40:06 AM)

The question we have to ask ourselves it seems to me, is were these ancient Grecians armed? 




Okeanos -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 7:47:03 AM)

Better yet, were these ancient Grecians even clothed to begin with?




mnottertail -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 7:49:41 AM)

This does sort of throw a monkey wrench into any concealed carry effect.  All of the stone ones I saw, at least, were not clothed, no. 




Nosathro -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 7:50:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: igor2003


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro


quote:

ORIGINAL: igor2003

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

If you own a gun to protect yourself - why not let everyone know it so that they'll stay away from you? Kind of like a country (i.e. the United States) letting the world know it has atomic bombs as a deterrent to another country attacking them.

FYI: I have a .380 Colt automatic pistol and a working flintlock musket (.75 caliber) and live in the Elmwood section of Providence, Rhode Island. So stay away from my house if you know what's good for ya. ;-)

Newspaper Posts Gun Owners' Names

[image]local://upfiles/42188/43419FC36DC5470BB1A97F3D361802ED.jpg[/image]



The newspaper probably thought they were being really crafty with their article, and were really putting gun owners in their place. Unfortunately, what they actually did was to put up a prcise road map for would-be gun thiefs as to exactly which houses they should hit while the owners aren't at home.


I think people are forgetting something...all of this was a matter of public record. Anyone thiefs included, just had to go to the Hall of Records and find this information.

"All of the names and addresses were compiled through public records."

The newspaper did nothing wrong.


Most thieves are too lazy or drugged up to hold a job...so they steal. If they are too lazy to hold a job they are also too lazy...or too stupid...to go do the search themselves. Also, I don't know about other places, but locally you have to pay a search fee to get most public information. Thieves don't pay...they take. So, here we have the newspaper handing the information to them on a silver platter for free.


The good one do their homework....




Nosathro -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 7:52:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro
I think people are forgetting something...all of this was a matter of public record. Anyone thiefs included, just had to go to the Hall of Records and find this information.
"All of the names and addresses were compiled through public records."
The newspaper did nothing wrong.


Depends on your definition of "wrong." What they did wasn't illegal by any means. However, just because something is legal doesn't mean you should do it.

Doing something legal isn't necessarily not wrong.


Still there is nothing wrong..it is a matter of public record..anyone could go to the Hall of Records gotten the information and done whatever they wanted with it. Just because a paper published does not mean any wrong...anyone could get the information and posted on the internet....




mnottertail -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 8:00:29 AM)

Well, now, you guys, I have argued long and rather unprosperously out here that there should be some mindfulness towards what is malum in se, regardless if it is malum prohibitum, but now, we could point out that there is no hue and cry for sherriffs offices putting out custody lists all over the net, and advertizing that someone is not home, or that such and so is having a benefit and the community is expected to attend on this or that night, also invitations to burglars, or someone posting their business hours which means they will not be at their house from here to there.   




Nosathro -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 8:02:08 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Considering the US did not start the bombing of civilian targets in WW2, the Japanese were bombing Chinese cities in the early thirties, and then there was Germany, followed by Great Britain who started bombing German cities AFTER London was bombed, and you want to blast the US for dropping an Atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?


Actually that is incorrect. The first bombing of a civilian tartget was done by the German but everyone,English and German, greed it was a mistake. Harris the British Commander of Bomber Command got Churchhill permission to use this as an excuse to bomb civilian targets in Germany, Hitler response was the same. At the begining of our involvment in World War II research was conducted to bomb Japanese Civilian targets, since most building in Japan at that time were made of wood. We even experimented using animals to carry the explosives. Bats were the favorite however the project was stopped when General Curtius LeMay got permission from FDR to use fire bombs on Japan. Admiral Nimitz wrote a book after World War II why he thought the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a mistake.




RacerJim -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 8:14:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Concealed carry is why tourists are preyed upon in Florida, a local might shoot you.


Yah.....anything is possible....

A local might also mistakenly shoot and kill his neighbor`s kid ....in Florida.





If my neighbor's kid had knocked me to the ground, punched me in my face hard enough to break my nose, and banged my head against the concrete sidewalk hard enough to split my scapl open, I'd intentionally shoot to kill him before he killed me...in any state.




igor2003 -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 8:14:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro
I think people are forgetting something...all of this was a matter of public record. Anyone thiefs included, just had to go to the Hall of Records and find this information.
"All of the names and addresses were compiled through public records."
The newspaper did nothing wrong.


Depends on your definition of "wrong." What they did wasn't illegal by any means. However, just because something is legal doesn't mean you should do it.

Doing something legal isn't necessarily not wrong.


Still there is nothing wrong..it is a matter of public record..anyone could go to the Hall of Records gotten the information and done whatever they wanted with it. Just because a paper published does not mean any wrong...anyone could get the information and posted on the internet....


Yes, what they did was "legal". However, "right" or "wrong" is not always a matter of whether something is "legal" or not. I think most of the people here would agree that the things Westborough Babtist Church does is "legal", but it sure as hell is "wrong". Same thing here.

Yes, anybody could go to Public Records, do the legwork, pay the fees, get the information, etc. But most thieves aren't going to be that ambitious. Most thieves would rather spend their money on video games or drugs rather than information. And many, if not most thieves probably would not even have known about or thought about getting that information from public records. But now they don't need to do any of that, do they? They know exactly which houses they need to go to. They know exactly which houses to watch for the family to be gone. Or they know exactly which houses they might want to do a blitz attack on in order to catch the family off guard and force them to open their safes. They don't have to do "do their homework" because the newspaper was kind enough to do all that for them.




RacerJim -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 8:16:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: igor2003

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

If you own a gun to protect yourself - why not let everyone know it so that they'll stay away from you? Kind of like a country (i.e. the United States) letting the world know it has atomic bombs as a deterrent to another country attacking them.

FYI: I have a .380 Colt automatic pistol and a working flintlock musket (.75 caliber) and live in the Elmwood section of Providence, Rhode Island. So stay away from my house if you know what's good for ya. ;-)

Newspaper Posts Gun Owners' Names

[image]local://upfiles/42188/43419FC36DC5470BB1A97F3D361802ED.jpg[/image]



The newspaper probably thought they were being really crafty with their article, and were really putting gun owners in their place. Unfortunately, what they actually did was to put up a prcise road map for would-be gun thiefs as to exactly which houses they should hit while the owners aren't at home.

Bingo. The idiot newspaper just put a big "Gun Free Zone" sign on every non-gun owner house.




Hillwilliam -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 8:19:43 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Concealed carry is why tourists are preyed upon in Florida, a local might shoot you.


Yah.....anything is possible....

A local might also mistakenly shoot and kill his neighbor`s kid ....in Florida.





If my neighbor's kid had knocked me to the ground, punched me in my face hard enough to break my nose, and banged my head against the concrete sidewalk hard enough to split my scapl open, I'd intentionally shoot to kill him before he killed me...in any state.

If A hypothetical person has a weapon and still lets someone get close enough to do that, they're a fucking idiot who isn't intelligent enough to be allowed such complicated toys.




RacerJim -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 8:29:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Okeanos

I guess what bugs me most about this analogy is the historical ignorance that it exhibits: when the USA developed the bomb, they did not announce that they did, nor did they demonstrate it by blowing off the top of Mt Fuji or some uninhabited island; instead, they performed two surprise attacks against fleshy targets containing huge numbers of civilians. So, historically, a more apt analogy would be "if you one day go buy yourself a gun, why not go meet that guy you frequently get into fistfights with, and surprise him by blowing his head off?"

What doesn't surprise me about your post is your ignorance or, worse, your intentional obfuscation of the fact that the USA did in fact announce it had developed the A-bomb before it dropped two of them on Japan.

Trinty A-bomb test




Okeanos -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 8:34:15 AM)

Does anyone know precisely what it takes to go to the "Hall of Records" (or whatever) and obtain that kind of information? Because if by any chance it involves some kind of written request, presumably along with some proof of identification, then obviously the newspaper did somewhat of a disservice, in the sense that a crook could not have obtained these records without becoming a prime suspect. Not that I would personally care, of course, should any bad use was made of those records, i.e. should any serial bad things started happening to some gun-wielding neanderthals.




Okeanos -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 8:39:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim
What doesn't surprise me about your post is your ignorance or, worse, your intentional obfuscation of the fact that the USA did in fact announce it had developed the A-bomb before it dropped two of them on Japan.

Trinty A-bomb test

I hate to break it to you, but the fact that the web page you pointed me to begins with the title "Trinity Test, July 16, 1945 - Radiation Monitoring" does not mean that the page was actually on air on July 16th of 1945. (Perhaps you need to begin by learning a thing or two about the history of the internet.) Au contraire, as it says further down within that page, all that stuff was TOP FUCKIN' SECRET at that time. My goodness, the kind of moronity one has to deal with in this forum!




mnottertail -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 8:42:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Okeanos

Does anyone know precisely what it takes to go to the "Hall of Records" (or whatever) and obtain that kind of information? Because if by any chance it involves some kind of written request, presumably along with some proof of identification, then obviously the newspaper did somewhat of a disservice, in the sense that a crook could not have obtained these records without becoming a prime suspect. Not that I would personally care, of course, should any bad use was made of those records, i.e. should any serial bad things started happening to some gun-wielding neanderthals.



there is very little at the courthouse (other than some court cases) in which you cannot just get the information without let or hinderance, showing no ID and no request, most of those common Freedom of Information Act thingies were settled long ago.  Deal is, though, you got to know what you are looking for, cuz it ain't organized in ways that is helpful to you.  It is just out there for the taking is all. 




SimplyMichael -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 8:43:54 AM)

Sorry, you start a war, you don't get to bitch how your victim beats you.

The fucking Japanese were trying to use plague on us, fuck em.




littlewonder -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 10:01:51 PM)

Here in Baltimore, someone would break into your home just to steal your handgun. You're not safer, you're less safer.




Nosathro -> RE: If they know you're armed, you're safer - Bad guys won't bother you (12/27/2012 10:14:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Sorry, you start a war, you don't get to bitch how your victim beats you.

The fucking Japanese were trying to use plague on us, fuck em.


Interesting note the Indian Judge on the world court in Japan after the war ruled the US started the war with Japan.

Look at the civilians victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Consider this the US actually had 418,500 deaths both military and civilian during World War II, Japan had between 2 and 3 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties




Page: <<   < prev  2 3 [4] 5 6   next >   >>

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.046875