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RE: Mental Health, Self Esteem and the Dom's Responsibi... - 11/14/2004 3:39:00 PM   
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I agree with the majority here on this issue. The dominant has the responsiblity to provide their sub/slave with coping skills to help them realize their own potential. As far as mental health goes, no one should ever tell someone not to take their medication because they either do not belive in it, or do not understand it.
Bi-polar is not a terrible thing anymore. With the proper medication, one can lead a very happy and normal life. They have to have it moderated by a trained doctor.
What will happen to the one who tells them not to take it, is that they will become confused and begin to rebell against all of your teachings.
It all follows under the safe, sane, and consensual side of the lifestyle.

Great post.

Mistress_Jan

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RE: Mental Health, Self Esteem and the Dom's Responsibi... - 11/14/2004 7:24:06 PM   
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I'm here to tell you that sometimes, being unhappy and having low self esteem is just not ANYone's fault. Sometimes these situations are created by a chemical imbalance or areas that need therapy to address. Expecting someone else to make it all better is just not a sane concept.


This is one of the reasons I go to therapy. I don't expect Master to have to deal with every problem I have. I don't think that's fair to him, at all. On the hand, I have to agree with original post (the one we're discussing), I think the Master should be willing to assume responsibility, if necessary.

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RE: Mental Health, Self Esteem and the Dom's Responsibi... - 11/14/2004 7:26:56 PM   
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I agree with Mistress Fire sometimes mental health issues cant be blamed on anyone ..i have been strugglling with depression for many many years...i would hope though that a Master or Mistress would always be concerned for their submissive/slaves welfare and make sure that the enviroment is a healthy one for His to be in.. yes He/She can hurt a submissive/slaves self esteem in many ways but one would hope that it isnt that case and is always looking out for the best of His property..it is ultimately up to the indivdual to be responsible for themselves...with mental health issues and do what is best for them..
“Do what you feel in your heart to be right - for you'll be criticized anyway.”

~ Franklin D. Roosevelt

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RE: Mental Health, Self Esteem and the Dom's Responsibi... - 11/14/2004 7:41:49 PM   
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I do not often comment on these boards but I felt the need to here. I am a psychiatric nurse and need for people to understand that diagnoses such as bipolar are not "excuses" for people not to take responsibility. Severe mental illness is biological and not a weakness in a person's personality. Someone mentioned it did not exist 25 yrs ago but I am here to say I was a nurse 25 yrs ago in this field and it did exist. Mental illness is real and can be treated, just like diabetes or high blood pressure.

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RE: Mental Health, Self Esteem and the Dom's Responsibi... - 11/15/2004 4:29:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SwtsubinAZ
I do not often comment on these boards but I felt the need to here.


And thank you for doing so. It was, in my opinion, a very important contribution.

I am certain that any future contributions you would make would be welcomed by all :)

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RE: Mental Health, Self Esteem and the Dom's Responsibi... - 11/15/2004 10:16:09 AM   
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I am a psychiatric nurse and need for people to understand that diagnoses such as bipolar are not "excuses" for people not to take responsibility. Severe mental illness is biological and not a weakness in a person's personality. Someone mentioned it did not exist 25 yrs ago but I am here to say I was a nurse 25 yrs ago in this field and it did exist. Mental illness is real and can be treated, just like diabetes or high blood pressure.



There are many doctors and nurses who do not agree with you. Here are some quotes from them:

"... modern psychiatry has yet to convincingly prove the genetic/biologic cause of any single mental illness." David Kaiser, M.D., Commentary: Against Biologic Psychiatry, December 1996 Psychiatric Times."

"We really do not know what causes any psychiatric illness." Jack M. Gorman, M.D., Professor of Psychiatry at Columbia University, in his book The Essential Guide to Psychiatric Drugs - Third Edition (St. Martin's Press, New York, 1997), p. 314."

"...The country's been led to believe that all painful emotions are a mental illness and the leadership of the APA [American Psychiatric Association] knows very well that they are representing it as a disease when there is no scientific data to confirm any mental illness." Neurologist Fred Baughman, quoted in Insight magazine, June 28, 1999, p. 13"

"In medicine, strict criteria exist for calling a condition a disease. In addition to a predictable cluster of symptoms, the cause of the symptoms or some understanding of their physiology must be established. ... Psychiatry is unique among medical specialties in that... We do not yet have proof either of the cause or the physiology for any psychiatric diagnosis. ... In recent decades, we have had no shortage of alleged biochemical imbalances for psychiatric conditions. Diligent though these attempts have been, not one has been proven. Quite the contrary. In every instance where such an imbalance was thought to have been found, it was later proven false. ... No claim of a gene for a psychiatric condition has stood the test of time, in spite of popular misinformation." Joseph Glenmullen, M.D., clinical instructor in psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, in his book Prozac Backlash (Simon & Schuster, New York, 2000), pages 192-193, page 196, and page 198."

"First, no biological etiology has been proven for any psychiatric disorder (except Alzheimer's disease, which has a genetic component) in spite of decades of research. ... So don't accept the myth that we can make an 'accurate diagnosis.' ... Neither should you believe that your problems are due solely to a 'chemical imbalance.'" Edward Drummond, M.D., Associate Medical Director at Seacoast Mental Health Center in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, in his book The Complete Guide to Psychiatric Drugs (John Wiley & Sons, Inc., New York, 2000), pages 15-16. Dr. Drummond graduated from Tufts University School of Medicine and was trained in psychiatry at Harvard University."

"Remember that no biochemical, neurological, or genetic markers have been found for attention deficit disorder, oppositional defiant disorder, depression, schizophrenia, anxiety, compulsive alcohol and drug abuse, overeating, gambling, or any other so-called mental illness, disease, or disorder." Bruce Levine, Ph.D. (psychologist), Commonsense Rebellion: Debunking Psychiatry, Confronting Society (Continuum, New York 2001), p. 277"

"Contrary to what is often claimed, no biochemical, anatomical, or functional signs have been found that reliably distinguish the brains of mental patients." Elliot S. Valenstien, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus of Psychology and Neuroscience at the University of Michigan, in his book Blaming the Brain: The Truth About Drugs and Mental Health (The Free Press, New York, 1998), p. 125."

and this, from a man who argues for a living(lawyer):

"It is sometimes argued that psychiatric drugs "curing" (stopping) the thinking, emotions, or behavior that is called mental illness proves the existence of biological causes of mental illness. This argument is easily refuted: Suppose someone was playing the piano and you didn't like him doing that. Suppose you forced or persuaded him to take a drug that disabled him so severely that he couldn't play the piano anymore. Would this prove his piano playing was caused by a biological abnormality that was cured by the drug? As senseless as this argument is, it is often made. Most if not all psychiatric drugs are neurotoxic, producing a greater or lesser degree of generalized neurological disability. So they do stop disliked behavior and may mentally disable a person enough he can no longer feel angry or unhappy or "depressed". But calling this a "cure" is absurd. Extrapolating from this that the drug must have cured an underlying biological abnormality that was causing the disliked emotions or behavior is equally absurd.....People are thought of as mentally ill only when their thinking, emotions, or behavior is contrary to what is considered acceptable, that is, when others (or the so-called patients themselves) dislike something about them. One way to show the absurdity of calling something an illness not because it is caused by a biological abnormality but only because we dislike it or disapprove of it is to look at how values differ from one culture to another and how values change over time."

"One of the most telling examples is homosexuality, which was officially defined as a mental disease by the American Psychiatric Association until 1973 but hasn't been since then. Homosexuality was defined as a mental disorder on page 44 of the American Psychiatric Association's standard reference book, DSM-II: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (the 2nd Edition), published in 1968. In that book, "Homosexuality" is categorized as one of the "Sexual deviations" on page 44. In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association voted to remove homosexuality from it's official diagnostic categories of mental illness. (See "An Instant Cure", Time magazine, April 1, 1974, p. 45). So when the third edition of this book was published in 1980 it said "homosexuality itself is not considered a mental disorder" (p. 282). The 1987 edition of The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy states: "The American Psychiatric Association no longer considers homosexuality a psychiatric disease" (p. 1495). If mental illness were really an illness in the same sense that physical illnesses are illnesses, the idea of deleting homosexuality or anything else from the categories of illness by having a vote would be as absurd as a group of physicians voting to delete cancer or measles from the concept of disease. But mental illness isn't "an illness like any other illness." Unlike physical disease where there are physical facts to deal with, mental "illness" is entirely a question of values, of right and wrong, of appropriate versus inappropriate."

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RE: Mental Health, Self Esteem and the Dom's Responsibi... - 11/15/2004 11:27:27 AM   
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Books are one thing and working with seriously mentally ill people is another. I have done the latter for 30 yrs. I am sure there are books and articles stating that cancer can be cured with certain diets etc. There are many multitudes of opinions on everything in the medical field. I was expressing mine and my experience.

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RE: Mental Health, Self Esteem and the Dom's Responsibi... - 11/15/2004 4:59:02 PM   
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SwtsubinAZ,
Please do not think this reply as an attack or an attempt to impugn your position or experience. My beth sited those book references because she shares with me a hatred of the prevailing mentality of our society. A society that enables people's behavior my making excuses.

The Oxford Dictionary defines treatment as "something done in order to relieve or cure an illness or abnormality". The term 'treatment' is very broad and means different things to different people. But it is only in Psychology that treatment is further defined. And "cure" becomes a moving target.

Treatment in the mental health field is known as the bio-psycho-social approach and consists of three dimensions:

physical treatments
psychological treatments
social interventions

Think about it compared to other medical treatment/cures. A psychologist can get away with many "treatment's" not far removed from witch-doctory. Just as there are options for treatment, they can also attribute many factors involved in the development of mental illness. And of course, these factors are often interrelated and they also affect the rate of recovery.

Biological factors, e.g. imbalances in the levels of brain chemicals. If a psychosis can be directly attributed to measurable chemical imbalances - then the process should be easy to cure. The problem is the "normal" is defined by a range. And many "normal" people interact in society with same defined chemical imbalances that fall into the parameters of psychotic.

Psychological factors, i.e. negative ways of thinking, or not having good ways of handling stress. Does this define 100% of us at some time of our life? Hell, I have those feelings just about every day.

Social factors, e.g. the role of poverty and low socio-economic status; unemployment, or jobs that are not satisfying or too demanding; war; gender; education; marital status; and the absence of supportive relationships. This is my favorite 'enabling' treatise of psychology. It's society or the fact that his parents died, or his parents lived and abused him, that caused the psychosis.

There are various treatment options to individuals with mental illness and because individuals are different, individualized approaches are required. One of the most important aspects of treating mental illness is targeting all of the factors that have contributed to the problem in a combined treatment approach. This means that the treatment of a mental illness or disorder needs to incorporate strategies that address biological, psychological, and social factors and is often referred to as a bio-psycho-social approach. Never wrong - and also Never ending. It's not difficult to perceive a drug company conspiracy here.

For example, in the treatment of depression, studies have found that the use of antidepressants together with CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) brings about a better response rate than results from either of the two treatments being used alone. In the treatment of schizophrenia, for example, it has been recognized that the timing of the onset of the illness, the level of disability, and the associated disruption to normal development and family life, means that the treatment approach needs to involve the patient and family members. Taking this individualized approach may involve working on strategies to improve self-confidence, increasing daily activities, learning about social and living skills and looking at vocational training. It will often involve providing family support and education, and require liaison with many different types of services in the community.

Think about that 'cure'. What other 'disease' may or may not be cured by a drug, dependent on the environment it was given. If insulin did not help a diabetic live with their disease 100% of the time would it be an approved drug? Would the interaction of your family effect the result? Would your job stress impact if the drug worked? Not addressing the fact that family/stress/work can effect your sugar level as a diabetic - but EVERY time you use insulin it has the same effect.

I'm trying to do some research on this question. Which came first the drug or the disease? I wonder about the history of the drugs currently used for treatment for diseases such as OCD and ADD.

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