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Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/2/2013 2:28:50 PM

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Didn't! It was a train and not a road but the border.

A cargo train filled with biofuels crossed the border between the US and Canada 24 times between the 15th of June and the 28th of June 2010; not once did it unload its cargo, yet it still earned millions of dollars. CBC News of Canada was the first to pick up on this story on the 3rd of December 2012, and began their own investigation into the possible explanations behind this odd behaviour.

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During their investigation CBC managed to obtain an internal email which stated that the cars of the train were all reconfigured between each trip but that the cargo was never actually unloaded, because “each move per car across the border is revenue generated”, the sale of the cargo itself was inconsequential.

... Each time the loaded train crossed the border the cargo earned its owner a certain amount of Renewable Identification Numbers (RINs), which were awarded by the US EPA to “promote and track production and importation of renewable fuels such as ethanol and biodiesel.” ... This enabled Bioversal to accumulate over 12 million RINs from the 24 trips, worth between 50 cents and $1 each, which they can then sell on to oil companies that haven’t met the EPA’s renewable fuel requirements.

A government agency doing what it does best. Screwing up.

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/2/2013 2:46:31 PM

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... Each time the loaded train crossed the border the cargo earned its owner a certain amount of Renewable Identification Numbers (RINs), which were awarded by the US EPA to “promote and track production and importation of renewable fuels such as ethanol and biodiesel.” ... This enabled Bioversal to accumulate over 12 million RINs from the 24 trips, worth between 50 cents and $1 each, which they can then sell on to oil companies that haven’t met the EPA’s renewable fuel requirements.

A government agency doing what it does best. Screwing up.

The real scandal in this should be that renewables such as biodiesel and ethanol aren't for the most part, environmentally friendly if you factor in the externalities.

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/2/2013 6:56:22 PM

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Indeed. And the production of biofuels is driving up the price of food.

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/2/2013 7:07:44 PM

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Don't ya just loooove...capitalism ?

America...the superpower of sleaze.

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/2/2013 9:16:15 PM

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Didn't! It was a train and not a road but the border.

A cargo train filled with biofuels crossed the border between the US and Canada 24 times between the 15th of June and the 28th of June 2010; not once did it unload its cargo, yet it still earned millions of dollars. CBC News of Canada was the first to pick up on this story on the 3rd of December 2012, and began their own investigation into the possible explanations behind this odd behaviour.

...

During their investigation CBC managed to obtain an internal email which stated that the cars of the train were all reconfigured between each trip but that the cargo was never actually unloaded, because “each move per car across the border is revenue generated”, the sale of the cargo itself was inconsequential.

... Each time the loaded train crossed the border the cargo earned its owner a certain amount of Renewable Identification Numbers (RINs), which were awarded by the US EPA to “promote and track production and importation of renewable fuels such as ethanol and biodiesel.” ... This enabled Bioversal to accumulate over 12 million RINs from the 24 trips, worth between 50 cents and $1 each, which they can then sell on to oil companies that haven’t met the EPA’s renewable fuel requirements.

A government agency doing what it does best. Screwing up.

What a country:)

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/3/2013 4:51:11 AM

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Don't ya just loooove...capitalism ?

America...the superpower of sleaze.

But it's not capitalism, Mr. Rogers. It's Corporatism or as was once put, Fascism.

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/3/2013 6:17:22 AM

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Don't ya just loooove...capitalism ?
America...the superpower of sleaze.

But it's not capitalism, Mr. Rogers. It's Corporatism or as was once put, Fascism.

Interesting, Yachtie. Lead to a quick search, and reading of a few blogs, articles, etc. Turns out, that Corporatism is a strategy of Fascism. At least it was back in the time of Hitler and Mussolini. With Fascism, you have private ownership of the means of production, but State control of that production (ie, quotas, wages, etc.). Corporatism, within a Fascist State was more about uniting the workers and management towards the common goal of production for the State.

I have used the term "Corporatism" before, but, to me, it never meant, or wasn't intended to mean, as described in the previous paragraph. To me, "Corporatism" has always meant Corporate control of Government - which I absolutely believe we have too much of - where as with Fascism, Government controlled the Corporations, though both have private ownership of the Corporations.

Read this blog and tell me it isn't incredibly similar to Bush/Obama America.

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/3/2013 7:59:45 AM

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Don't ya just loooove...capitalism ?
America...the superpower of sleaze.

But it's not capitalism, Mr. Rogers. It's Corporatism or as was once put, Fascism.

Interesting, Yachtie. Lead to a quick search, and reading of a few blogs, articles, etc. Turns out, that Corporatism is a strategy of Fascism. At least it was back in the time of Hitler and Mussolini. With Fascism, you have private ownership of the means of production, but State control of that production (ie, quotas, wages, etc.). Corporatism, within a Fascist State was more about uniting the workers and management towards the common goal of production for the State.

I have used the term "Corporatism" before, but, to me, it never meant, or wasn't intended to mean, as described in the previous paragraph. To me, "Corporatism" has always meant Corporate control of Government - which I absolutely believe we have too much of - where as with Fascism, Government controlled the Corporations, though both have private ownership of the Corporations.

Read this blog and tell me it isn't incredibly similar to Bush/Obama America.

what is a municipal corporation for 100?

A city charter or town charter (generically, municipal charter) is a legal document establishing a municipality such as a city or town. The concept developed in Europe during the middle ages and is considered to be a municipal version of a constitution.

Traditionally the granting of a charter gave a settlement and its inhabitants the right to town privileges under the feudal system. Townspeople who lived in chartered towns were burghers, as opposed to serfs who lived in villages. Towns were often "free", in the sense that they were directly protected by the king or emperor, and were not part of a feudal fief.

Today the process for granting charters is determined by the type of government of the state in question. In monarchies, charters are still often a royal charter given by the Crown or the state authorities acting on behalf of the Crown. In federations, the granting of charters may be within the jurisdiction of the lower level of government such as a state or province.

When peeps start examining the evolution of words used in leego-land it will open up a whole new world.

I have several favorites!

Free
Freedom
Estate
state
State and state used in the same paragraph
legal use of the word - includes or including

all time fav is person

how about resident!

His use of the word based on the vernacular I am familiar with is perfectly legit.

everything democracy is constructed on corporation mobs.

the language of the natural man not developed the little there was abolished or claimed by the corporate states withing their system of corporate control.

Every title that includes a number of people is some level of corporation, association whatever.

a small group of people making decisions for a large group.

The natural man has literally no rights that he can claim for himself because the states and States have expanded so far there is nothing they do not claim for themselves.

Hence we have a monopoly of corporations swindling each other fighting for their piece of the pie and the beneficiaries is who?

Thats right not you.

You are lucky to have a J.O.B. our of the deal while the few lines their pockets.

Just over broke

there is no clear lines today.

One element will fit the definition while the next element will fit another and sometimes you will find both in the same design with communist and fascist and a host of others isms in one design

Trying to assign a singular modality is nearly impossible today. Its a mess there are no hard lines in practice.

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/3/2013 10:20:24 AM

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Don't ya just loooove...capitalism ?

America...the superpower of sleaze.

But it's not capitalism, Mr. Rogers. It's Corporatism or as was once put, Fascism.

Would it still be corporatism/fascism if your boy Romney had won that election a couple of months back, rather than the Kenyan usurper?

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/3/2013 2:24:05 PM

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More government absurdity being pushed.

Subsidized something and you get more of it.

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/3/2013 2:25:58 PM

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Don't ya just loooove...capitalism ?

America...the superpower of sleaze.

But it's not capitalism, Mr. Rogers. It's Corporatism or as was once put, Fascism.

Would it still be corporatism/fascism if your boy Romney had won that election a couple of months back, rather than the Kenyan usurper?

Of course. And he wasn't my boy. I couldn't stand him any more than you. Difference between us is that you approve of Obama. I don't.

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/3/2013 7:01:26 PM

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Spain Drains Pension Fund in Borrowing Spree

Spain has been quietly tapping the country's richest piggy bank, the Social Security Reserve Fund, as a buyer of last resort for Spanish government bonds, raising questions about the fund's role as guarantor of future pension payouts.

Don't think it can't happen here. It will.

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/3/2013 7:21:33 PM

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Spain Drains Pension Fund in Borrowing Spree
Spain has been quietly tapping the country's richest piggy bank, the Social Security Reserve Fund, as a buyer of last resort for Spanish government bonds, raising questions about the fund's role as guarantor of future pension payouts.
Don't think it can't happen here. It will.

What's this "it will" crap? You talk as if it's not already been done.

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/3/2013 7:23:17 PM

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More shenanigans -
The "fiscal cliff" legislation passed this week included $76 billion in special-interest tax credits for the likes of General Electric, Hollywood and even Captain Morgan. But these subsidies weren't the fruit of eleventh-hour lobbying conducted on the cliff's edge -- they were crafted back in August in a Senate committee, and they sat dormant until the White House reportedly insisted on them this week.

The Family and Business Tax Cut Certainty Act of 2012, which passed through the Senate Finance Committee in August, was copied and pasted into the fiscal cliff legislation, yielding a victory for biotech companies, wind-turbine-makers, biodiesel producers, film studios -- and their lobbyists. So, if you're wondering how algae subsidies became part of a must-pass package to avert the dreaded fiscal cliff, credit the Biotechnology Industry Organization's lobbying last summer

Yeah, people are not paying their fair share enough.

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/3/2013 7:38:41 PM

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More shenanigans -
The "fiscal cliff" legislation passed this week included $76 billion in special-interest tax credits for the likes of General Electric, Hollywood and even Captain Morgan. But these subsidies weren't the fruit of eleventh-hour lobbying conducted on the cliff's edge -- they were crafted back in August in a Senate committee, and they sat dormant until the White House reportedly insisted on them this week.
The Family and Business Tax Cut Certainty Act of 2012, which passed through the Senate Finance Committee in August, was copied and pasted into the fiscal cliff legislation, yielding a victory for biotech companies, wind-turbine-makers, biodiesel producers, film studios -- and their lobbyists. So, if you're wondering how algae subsidies became part of a must-pass package to avert the dreaded fiscal cliff, credit the Biotechnology Industry Organization's lobbying last summer
Yeah, people are not paying their fair share enough.

You are so not a Captain. lol

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RE: Why did the chicken cross the road? - 1/3/2013 9:00:42 PM

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During their investigation CBC managed to obtain an internal email which stated that the cars of the train were all reconfigured between each trip but that the cargo was never actually unloaded, because “each move per car across the border is revenue generated”, the sale of the cargo itself was inconsequential.

how.. amusing... The CBC musta had fun exposing that story..

I expect it is all totally legal tho.. at least until the US govt decides to close the loophole.. once that happens, the.. ummm.. gravy train is over..

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