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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 8:39:34 AM   
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Remember that Hitler thought the Russian armed forces were a pathetic joke, yet they are the only reason he didn't win the second world war. Until such time as your supposition about China's military inferiority is tested, your assumption here barely even qualifies as a speculation.

Sayin' his invasion of da USSR was da only reason for Germany's failure is an assumption. Anyhow Mr. Hitler wasn't one to let facts get in da way of his plans.


Not the only reason but by far the main one. At the time only the UK stood in his way, Hitler withdrew plans to invade us and instead invaded Russia. Once there the sheer weight of numbers bogged down the German Army.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 8:42:51 AM   
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Remember that Hitler thought the Russian armed forces were a pathetic joke, yet they are the only reason he didn't win the second world war. Until such time as your supposition about China's military inferiority is tested, your assumption here barely even qualifies as a speculation.

Sayin' his invasion of da USSR was da only reason for Germany's failure is an assumption. Anyhow Mr. Hitler wasn't one to let facts get in da way of his plans.

Not the only reason but by far the main one. At the time only the UK stood in his way, Hitler withdrew plans to invade us and instead invaded Russia. Once there the sheer weight of numbers bogged down the German Army.

I agree da USSR was a major player in loosin' da war but it can't be as certain wit da US then gettin' in on da game.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 11:40:49 AM   
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I agree da USSR was a major player in loosin' da war but it can't be as certain wit da US then gettin' in on da game.

Bullshit. The States wouldn't have got involved in the liberation of Europe if the USSR hadn't already demolished most of the German land forces and the Luftwaffe hadn't been decimated nearly as bad as the RAF during the Battle Of Britain.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 11:48:03 AM   
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I agree da USSR was a major player in loosin' da war but it can't be as certain wit da US then gettin' in on da game.

Bullshit. The States wouldn't have got involved in the liberation of Europe if the USSR hadn't already demolished most of the German land forces and the Luftwaffe hadn't been decimated nearly as bad as the RAF during the Battle Of Britain.

Jus what time line are ya workin' on bud? Da US declared war on Germany at da end of 1941 an' da USSR only started ta undermine Germany round '42 or thereabouts.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 11:51:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		The one where Germany chose to invade Russia in 1941, rather than invading Britain, and your country had no military presence in mainland Europe until the D Day landings which took place after the Battle of Stalingrad.
What timeline are you using? One from a Phillip K Dick novel?

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 12:07:40 PM   
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The one where Germany chose to invade Russia in 1941, rather than invading Britain, and your country had no military presence in mainland Europe until the D Day landings which took place after the Battle of Stalingrad.
What timeline are you using? One from a Phillip K Dick novel?

The US started European ops back in Jan 1942 right after da declaration of war an' D Day waz famously delayed The point is dat you claimed Hitler would've won without da USSR invasion. Just saying it isn't as simple as dat Mr. Wells.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 12:10:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Really? So where did the majority of German casualties take place if it wasn't on the Russian front after 1941, then?
And where was there an American presence in the European theatre before Operation Barborossa started?

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 12:28:45 PM   
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Really? So where did the majority of German casualties take place if it wasn't on the Russian front after 1941, then?
And where was there an American presence in the European theatre before Operation Barborossa started?

Bout 50% of German casualties were on da Eastern front. Dats a good point but it ain't da majority. Point is dat jus because da USSR took a lot of da burden in da war doesn't mean Germany would have necessarily won without Stalin. Operation Barborossa waz in 41. I'm talking bout Jan '42 http://www.eur.army.mil/organization/history.htm

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 1:07:21 PM   
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Bout 50% of German casualties were on da Eastern front. Dats a good point but it ain't da majority.

It's more like 70%, so it's definitely the majority.

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Point is dat jus because da USSR took a lot of da burden in da war doesn't mean Germany would have necessarily won without Stalin.

Quite. That lend lease business and you boys getting your arses kicked all over the Pacific theatre really had him on the ropes, didn't it?
(Have you read the page you've linked to, BTW? It states that the whole of the American presence in Europe before D day was in the United Kingdom, rather than mainland Europe, where the aggro was.)

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 1:59:50 PM   
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I agree da USSR was a major player in loosin' da war but it can't be as certain wit da US then gettin' in on da game.


You are just ilustrating your historical ignorance yet again. The German general staff accepted that without victory over Britain, Germany couldn't win the war, the best they could hope for was a conditional treaty, basically a draw. Howevr Russia won the war. The difference America made was that it shortened the war but the result was in no doubt.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 2:08:15 PM   
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The US started European ops back in Jan 1942 right after da declaration of war an' D Day waz famously delayed The point is dat you claimed Hitler would've won without da USSR invasion. Just saying it isn't as simple as dat Mr. Wells.


The biggest push in Europe after D-Day was by the British and Canadian forces, which were the majority D-Day forces. I'm sorry if that upsets your image of the USA but it was the British and Canadians who that defeated the Germans in the north. The US forces at Utah Beach had a difficult time was because the US airforce said they could drop a bomb into a pork barrel and so bombed the German positions on D-Day itself rather than the night before and missed the German positions. Once the US army had a beach head they had the easiest push south round the bottom of Paris.

No one country won WWII, it was a joint effort but it was the Russians who ripped the heart out of the German army because they were willing to take a death ratio of 15-1.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 3:32:15 PM   
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France has been bombing Mali which is in turmoil that can be directly linked to western interference in the Arab and muslim world.

Will the west ever learn that it is the cause, not the solution of the chaos in the Arab and muslim world?


I wish they would.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 3:58:47 PM   
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Not the only reason but by far the main one. At the time only the UK stood in his way, Hitler withdrew plans to invade us and instead invaded Russia. Once there the sheer weight of numbers bogged down the German Army.


I agree da USSR was a major player in loosin' da war but it can't be as certain wit da US then gettin' in on da game.


What you talkin bout Williis ?

You make a bold claim thats hard to substantiate.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 6:13:11 PM   
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I agree da USSR was a major player in loosin' da war but it can't be as certain wit da US then gettin' in on da game.

You are just ilustrating your historical ignorance yet again. The German general staff accepted that without victory over Britain, Germany couldn't win the war, the best they could hope for was a conditional treaty, basically a draw. Howevr Russia won the war. The difference America made was that it shortened the war but the result was in no doubt.

Trollin' are we Mr. Igor? Da above is gibberish cept for da point bout da US of A shortenin' da war. Germany could have taken da UK anytime before da end of '41 when it got stuck.


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The US started European ops back in Jan 1942 right after da declaration of war an' D Day waz famously delayed The point is dat you claimed Hitler would've won without da USSR invasion. Just saying it isn't as simple as dat Mr. Wells.

The biggest push in Europe after D-Day was by the British and Canadian forces, which were the majority D-Day forces. I'm sorry if that upsets your image of the USA but it was the British and Canadians who that defeated the Germans in the north. The US forces at Utah Beach had a difficult time was because the US airforce said they could drop a bomb into a pork barrel and so bombed the German positions on D-Day itself rather than the night before and missed the German positions. Once the US army had a beach head they had the easiest push south round the bottom of Paris.

Whaz ya talkin bout? Da US brought in bout 74,000 troops with 156,000 in total? There were more yanks there than of any other nation an' more died than all da others combinbed.

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No one country won WWII, it was a joint effort but it was the Russians who ripped the heart out of the German army

Thought ya jus said above da Ruskies won da war? There was no issue over da USSR taking most of da pain in WWII. I said dat already.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 6:22:15 PM   
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Not the only reason but by far the main one. At the time only the UK stood in his way, Hitler withdrew plans to invade us and instead invaded Russia. Once there the sheer weight of numbers bogged down the German Army.


I agree da USSR was a major player in loosin' da war but it can't be as certain wit da US then gettin' in on da game.


What you talkin bout Williis ?

You make a bold claim thats hard to substantiate.


If it wasn`t for the Brits,the nazis would have won.They held them off just long enough for America to enter the war and without them,we could not have invaded Europe.

Thanks to the British and to the UK.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/18/2013 6:22:29 PM   
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Bout 50% of German casualties were on da Eastern front. Dats a good point but it ain't da majority.

It's more like 70%, so it's definitely the majority.

Nut da casualty figures as I understand it. Sumfin like 2.7 mil killed on da Eastern front out of a total of 5.5 mil Mermans.

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Point is dat jus because da USSR took a lot of da burden in da war doesn't mean Germany would have necessarily won without Stalin.

Quite. That lend lease business and you boys getting your arses kicked all over the Pacific theatre really had him on the ropes, didn't it?
(Have you read the page you've linked to, BTW? It states that the whole of the American presence in Europe before D day was in the United Kingdom, rather than mainland Europe, where the aggro was.)

Whaz bout da US divisions serving in North Africa and Southern Europe from 1942/3? Now don't be takin' all da credit.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/19/2013 2:57:50 AM   
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Trollin' are we Mr. Igor? Da above is gibberish cept for da point bout da US of A shortenin' da war. Germany could have taken da UK anytime before da end of '41 when it got stuck.


Again you are happy to demonstrate your history is lacking. Germany could take Britain any time it liked because Britain best the Germans decisively in the Battle of Britain.

If you for one minute wake up from your dream, you will realise the amount of equipement necessary for the D-Day landing, there was no way the Germans could have mounted a similar attack in 1940 and the germans understood that.

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Whaz ya talkin bout? Da US brought in bout 74,000 troops with 156,000 in total? There were more yanks there than of any other nation an' more died than all da others combinbed.


You forgot the British royal navy, merchant navy and airforce Duh!

You aren't very well read are you?

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/19/2013 4:49:58 AM   
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Nut da casualty figures as I understand it. Sumfin like 2.7 mil killed on da Eastern front out of a total of 5.5 mil Mermans.

Drivel. Where did you get those figures from?

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/19/2013 5:06:02 AM   
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I mean, France had no other choice that to get there since no other country would have any interest to do it.

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RE: Another Arab-Muslim country bombed by a western cou... - 1/19/2013 5:15:09 AM   
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