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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/30/2013 9:53:16 PM   
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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/30/2013 9:59:20 PM   
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NY seals 1st state gun laws since Newtown massacre

Cuomo is going beyond making the manufacture and sale illegal. You have to dump the one(s) you currently own.
That is not what this story says. You can keep your semiautomatics, but your military assault rifle is toast.

Anyone who tries to claim they actually need an assault rifle for non-military use is clearly mentally disturbed and should be denied access to weapons.

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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 1:30:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

NY seals 1st state gun laws since Newtown massacre

Cuomo is going beyond making the manufacture and sale illegal. You have to dump the one(s) you currently own.
That is not what this story says. You can keep your semiautomatics, but your military assault rifle is toast.

Anyone who tries to claim they actually need an assault rifle for non-military use is clearly mentally disturbed and should be denied access to weapons.


1. What exactly do you qualify as "military assault rifle"? (Keep in mind that all of the ones currently being boasted about on the news and the internet are all semiautomatics, which you just said you can keep)
2. I would really like to know when, exactly, the US Constitution adopted a "Bill of Needs" since I keep seeing the word "need" thrown around all the time.

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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 1:48:13 AM   
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Registration always leads to confiscation. There has never been an exception. Never.


Motorcycles, cars, trucks, busses, SUVs, even motor crafter all require registration in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Have been for as long as I've been alive. Could you give me a time table of I can expect my car to be confiscated by the government? I'll want it down to the seconds as you seem so 'all knowing' of future events with perfect accuracy.


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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 2:49:44 AM   
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Births, deaths marriages, divorces, taxes, businesses, travel, passports, income, employment, schools and further education, you HAVE to be registered in SOMETHING...no confiscation.....
Why not guns?
Being facetious, hell yes I am, but the OP needs to be clearer if she doesnt want her logical failures to be pointed out.
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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 3:18:01 AM   
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Registration always leads to confiscation. There has never been an exception. Never.


Motorcycles, cars, trucks, busses, SUVs, even motor crafter all require registration in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Have been for as long as I've been alive. Could you give me a time table of I can expect my car to be confiscated by the government? I'll want it down to the seconds as you seem so 'all knowing' of future events with perfect accuracy.



The difference is, guns are the only thing the people in government calling for yet more gun laws Want to confiscate. They make money off all the rest and build careers managing the traffic and economy of all the above.
The manageable aspect of gun violence is the conscious criminal use of guns for robbery and forms of intimidation. It's been well shown that aggressive and coordinated prosecution by local police, attorney generals and federal authorities hugely lower carry numbers of illegal guns. Legal carry permit citizens have a substantially lower crime rate than about any other population. Get the illegal guns off the street and you actually accomplish something.
Of course it Costs to imprison and prosecute. Easier to register then confiscate the legal guns then ' declare victory', move on and let the next group of politicians deal with the unsolved problem.
Australia actually confiscated most all civilian guns. 'Home Invasions' are up something like 36% and climbing.

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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 4:01:10 AM   
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http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

The average Australian citizen didnt own a gun before the buy back program.

Population of Australia - 20,011,882 (end December 2003)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Australia#Population

They bought back 600,000 guns. Another 50,000 handguns in 2003.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_buyback_program#In_Australia

Number of Privately Owned Firearms
The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in Australia is 3,050,000 to 3,500,000

Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
The rate of private gun ownership in Australia is 15 firearms per 100 people

Number of Registered Firearms
The number of registered guns in Australia is reported to be 2,675,785

Number of Privately Owned Handguns
There are reportedly 172,422 handguns in civilian possession in Australia

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia

Australia banned and bought back 650,000 guns, leaving over 2.5 million in the hands of its citizens.

No Australia did not confiscate "most all" if its citizens guns.


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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 5:45:26 PM   
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http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

The average Australian citizen didnt own a gun before the buy back program.

Population of Australia - 20,011,882 (end December 2003)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Australia#Population

They bought back 600,000 guns. Another 50,000 handguns in 2003.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_buyback_program#In_Australia

Number of Privately Owned Firearms
The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in Australia is 3,050,000 to 3,500,000

Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
The rate of private gun ownership in Australia is 15 firearms per 100 people

Number of Registered Firearms
The number of registered guns in Australia is reported to be 2,675,785

Number of Privately Owned Handguns
There are reportedly 172,422 handguns in civilian possession in Australia

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia

Australia banned and bought back 650,000 guns, leaving over 2.5 million in the hands of its citizens.

No Australia did not confiscate "most all" if its citizens guns.


manditory buybacks are just a nice form of confiscation

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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 6:20:19 PM   
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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 6:39:55 PM   
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In most common english terminology , that does NOT compute.

A manditory buyback is take what we want to give you for it or we will take it for nothing, that is confiscation dressed up to look like something else.

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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 6:47:37 PM   
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No Australia did not confiscate "most all" if its citizens guns


Apparently not

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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 6:57:03 PM   
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Australia banned and bought back 650,000 guns, leaving over 2.5 million in the hands of its citizens.

No Australia did not confiscate "most all" if its citizens guns


Apparently not

That is not the way Focus talks he seems to think the took most of the guns. The buybacks were according to him just phase one.

Besides I did not challenge the numbers only the facade of dressing up confiscation as something voluntary.
If all you force people to turn in to the government is one model of anything the fact that you let them keep the rest in no way means it is not confiscation.

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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 7:05:21 PM   
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A manditory buyback is take what we want to give you for it or we will take it for nothing, that is confiscation dressed up to look like something else.

is built on a guess, thought, and not hard evidence... and you wonder why I said, it does not compute

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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 7:09:35 PM   
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so your quote
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A manditory buyback is take what we want to give you for it or we will take it for nothing, that is confiscation dressed up to look like something else.

is built on a guess, thought, and not hard evidence... and you wonder why I said, it does not compute

No Focus explained this in some detail in another thread so it is not a guess, or a thought but the statement of an antigun person who was in the middle of it. If you wish to trash the claim talk to focus he said it not me.

He must be a relisble source he considers American gun owners to be selfish uncareing and unevolved

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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 7:11:27 PM   
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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 7:13:25 PM   
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Im not trashing a claim made by Focus, Im trashing your "understanding"or lack of it.

So you think if someone tells you sell this to me at my price or else it is a voluntary sale?

And still I didn't say they took almost all guns.

What they did in Austrailia is of little to no importance to me


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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 7:19:38 PM   
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im done playing... its just pointless having to explain simple english


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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 8:06:22 PM   
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yawwwwwwwwwwwwn another strawman...try using actual words used. Not what YOU think is my pov.
im done playing... its just pointless having to explain simple english


That was a question, not a statment of your pov, all I was saying that when the gov says that you can no longer have something then say they will pay you what they decide it is worth it is confiscation.
When they say if you don't want it anymore we will pay you x dollars for it that is a buyback.

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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 8:15:23 PM   
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RE: Disarmament: NY leads the way. - 1/31/2013 10:32:32 PM   
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This says the buyback was manditory no guessing or misunderstanding plain English.

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