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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 12:33:37 PM   
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The point is that bayonet lugs and flash supressors have zero bearing on crime.


Then why are they needed if not for the criminals needing them?

Do you need them?

i may need them if it comes to fighting tyranny...why take away all your options or tools and allow the would be enemy to contnue having them..

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 12:34:52 PM   
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And beta blockers, and penicillin... omg.. which has killed so many people! Not to mention blood thinners, blood products, morphine... the list goes on and on and on

LETS FUCKING BAN THEM ALL!



Actually, blood thinners like coumadin have killed a number of people after prolonged use. Most Rat Poisons use the same drug.

Penicillin is largely ineffective due to anti biotic resistant bacteria, so using it may indirectly lead to the death of a patient.

As for your point, you are actually failing to see the truth.

Assault weapons are not sold to the general public.

Semi Automatic weapons are.

The whole thing that makes a weapon an assault weapon is the select fire capability. Not the pistol grip, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, or the reciever frame it is built on.

Feinstein is using a false classification that if anyone really wanted to challenge it, they could take it to the supreme court and get the law throne out.

The reason no one challenged the last ban, was that weapons already in the production/shipping supply chain was excluded, just like they are in this bill.

Tell me, are you going to fight a law that made a weapon that pre-ban sold for $700 and after ban sells for $2000?

So, lets say the manufacturers of the AR15 based rifle have probably got half a million in the warehouses, and another 250 thousand in the production pipeline, hell they are going to make a fortune after the ban.

Not to mention the 3 or more million AK47's presently in the import warehouses in the port cities.

The supply of semi auto weapons did not dry up during the last ban. And if the new ban lasts longer than the supply, some bright lawyer is going to see a chance to file a class action suit based on the wording of the law, and get it thrown out simply because "Assault Weapons" are not sold to the general public except under the NFA provisions.

So the weapons get more expensive, well it will cut down the number of people who can buy them due to financial reasons.

But the last three rifles I bought totaled just over 8 grand. And trust me, with my training and the simple fact I keep my skills well honed, I can do a lot more damage with those three weapons than what happened in New Town CT.

Now to really scare the shit out of you. The training has improved a lot, so in effect I am the 1.2 version, the guys getting out of the military with the same MOS that I had, are the 3.0 version, and due to the high number of combat tours are a hell of a lot more mentally unstable than I am.

Thanks to shrub, there are going to be a lot more men losing touch with reality and going off the deep end in the next ten years than ever before.

I volunteer at a local PTSD center and have been dealing with a lot of these vets. Some of them we can convince to go into an institution for the PTSD, many wont. It is those that wont that I am worried about.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 12:37:10 PM   
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The point is that bayonet lugs and flash supressors have zero bearing on crime.


Then why are they needed if not for the criminals needing them?

Do you need them?



Kinda like tits. They serve a purpose but really have no bearing on rape.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 12:37:34 PM   
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The point is that bayonet lugs and flash supressors have zero bearing on crime.


Then why are they needed if not for the criminals needing them?

Do you need them?

Show me where criminals use them, they don't. I have no use for them but the call to ban them is pointless.
Not only that but most firearms that have them either have too small of magazines or they are bolt action.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 12:38:35 PM   
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The point is that bayonet lugs and flash supressors have zero bearing on crime.


Then why are they needed if not for the criminals needing them?

Do you need them?



Kinda like tits. They serve a purpose but really have no bearing on rape.


Oh, I dunno.... Im sure some man has raped a woman simply because he loved her tits.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 12:40:22 PM   
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As for your point, you are actually failing to see the truth.


No, not at all.

Many things kill... many things help.... but I am rather sick and tired of my position on all this being misstated and lost in the pile of "gun owners vs gun banners"

You do realize there is a third group or us out there, right?

Or are you so paranoid that all you can see is if someone isnt 100% in agreement with you, they are 100% against you?

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 12:42:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The point is that bayonet lugs and flash supressors have zero bearing on crime.


Then why are they needed if not for the criminals needing them?

Do you need them?



Kinda like tits. They serve a purpose but really have no bearing on rape.


Oh, I dunno.... Im sure some man has raped a woman simply because he loved her tits.



OK. You win. Guess some perp somewhere has off'd some guy simply because he loved the flash suppressor.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 12:42:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		not to little ammo.. a gun like this is not used in committing crimes.. a gun like this is used in defense.. now imagine you are fighting tyranny against a full auto version of this.. already you are the under dog why cut yourself any shorter by banning tools that could keep you and your family safe




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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 12:43:14 PM   
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As for your point, you are actually failing to see the truth.


No, not at all.

Many things kill... many things help.... but I am rather sick and tired of my position on all this being misstated and lost in the pile of "gun owners vs gun banners"

You do realize there is a third group or us out there, right?

Or are you so paranoid that all you can see is if someone isnt 100% in agreement with you, they are 100% against you?



No but your constant reference to Assault Weapons is wrong.

Even without the ban, I cannot go to a gun shop and buy an assault weapon.

I can however go through an NFA dealer and buy the parts to convert a semi auto rifle into an assault weapon provided the parts are pre 84, or buy the weapon if it is pre 84.

See my point?

Besides, like I said, if the ban lasts longer than the on hand supply, some bright lawyer is going to file a class action suit and get the law thrown out, just on the term Assault Weapon, OR he is going to get the law set so it just means Assault Weapon, and all those semi automatics that Feinstein wanted to be banned will hit the market again.

IN truth, I really could care less. I have all the weapons I want, and those I dont have, well I will go through an NFA dealer to get them.




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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 12:51:28 PM   
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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 1:11:41 PM   
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How do you suppress a Flah?
The thought of all of these poor Flahs having their rights suppressed grieves me to the depths of my soul. Is there a charity to publicise the terrible suffering of these oppressed Flahs?

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 1:18:15 PM   
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How do you suppress a Flah?



You let a Progressive do it

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 1:24:20 PM   
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No but your constant reference to Assault Weapons is wrong.

Even without the ban, I cannot go to a gun shop and buy an assault weapon.


My constant?

Show me where in the fuck I mentioned them at all in this thread.

In fact....


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assault weapons....

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Assault weapon is a political term, often used by gun control advocates, typically referring to firearms "designed for rapidly firing at human targets from close range,"[1] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[2]


Why would anyone need to own one of these?


I rarely use that term at all... I typically use semi auto.. in fact, I just looked over my last 20 posts on gun topics and not except for this...

Except for 'assault weapons', long guns are not registered in California.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Firearms_Registration

Which is a direct quote, I have not used those words.

Now, you want to take someone to task, then do so for something they are doing... not something you ASSUME they are doing.


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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 1:25:53 PM   
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OK. You win. Guess some perp somewhere has off'd some guy simply because he loved the flash suppressor.


Lets try this a simpler way for you.

Why would anyone need one?

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 1:31:46 PM   
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OK. You win. Guess some perp somewhere has off'd some guy simply because he loved the flash suppressor.


Lets try this a simpler way for you.

Why would anyone need one?



Gee, I hunt hogs at night and the flash suppressor seems to help me to get more than one.

Actually there are a lot of pest animals that travel in groups that the only time you can hunt them is at night.

Which is what the flash suppressor is used to do, hide the muzzle flash at night..

It has nothing to do with rate of fire, so why single it out in the fucking ban?


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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 1:47:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		If it suppresses a flash... could it not also suppress one at a crime scene? From my understanding, it suppresses the light from the shooter so that their night vision isnt affected, correct? Doesnt a flash hider have a similar effect? Its reported that the guy who fired at the firefighters used one.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 1:54:50 PM   
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If it suppresses a flash... could it not also suppress one at a crime scene? From my understanding, it suppresses the light from the shooter so that their night vision isnt affected, correct? Doesnt a flash hider have a similar effect? Its reported that the guy who fired at the firefighters used one.



You would have a valid argument IF military style semi automatic weapons were used in a substantial number of crimes, in point of fact these weapons are used in less than 10% of gun related crimes. The predominant gun is the shotgun or the pistol.

The only reason to ban these weapons is as a stepping stone to broader weapon bans.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 1:59:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought we were speaking of flash suppressors.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 2:00:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		FR. Eliminating Flash supressors and bayonet lugs is basically 'feel good legislation' that won't do a damn thing about crime.
The only thing they will try to do (unsuccessfully) is cut into the profits of the manufacturers a bit because they added these 'features' to a weapon so they could jack the price up.

Now that a 'ban' is going into effect, they can jack the price up even more. Win win.......................for the manufacturers.

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RE: What do flah suppressors have to do with crime control - 1/18/2013 2:02:18 PM   
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