Focus50
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Great. Good for you. I can give you real-world examples of how shit changes in America. In Ohio, the drunk driving limit was set to 0.1% blood acohol level. Over that, if you get caught, you're nailed. It has since been redefined as 0.08% blood alcohol level. In Ohio, not wearing a seat belt in the front seat(s) of a vehicle was a second-degree offense, meaning you could not be pulled over for not wearing it, but if you were pulled over for something else and weren't wearing your seat belt, you were ticketed for that, also. It didn't take long, but now, it's a primary offense, so a cop can actually pull you over for not wearing a seat belt, regardless of your driving.
Thus what is determined to be "reasonable" in America when the bill passes, may be exactly the same as it is in Australia. For now, anyway. But, is there a guarantee that some anti-gun group won't get enough power to require a bank-vault equivalent in the future? If you are sure that would never happen, then, yes, you are sure. If you can reasonably see that happening, then you aren't sure.
To quote from a Clint Eastwood movie (The Rookie?), "If you want a guarantee, buy a toaster"....
Overall, this is pretty much a recurring theme of the typical American pro-gun attitude.
That is, that while it's all sad & tragic & blah blah & etc etc when innocents are slaughtered, doing anything against guns or the 2nd amendment to arrest the carnage is bad; is crazy; the thin-end-of-the-wedge; won't work; is punishing the innocent gun-owner; will lead to a US dictatorship; the government will be kicking doors in; concentration camps; the British will be back - or whatever conspiracy is flavour of the movement there....
That said, it's naive to think there'll never be change. We are an evolving species, always have been. And frankly, if some anti-gun group did gain power and influence, that'd likely be democracy at work. That Americans in general have finally had enough of loved-ones being mindlessly gunned down only to be remembered by greater society as collateral damage for the "greater good" of rampant gun ownership.
Frankly, I'd like to see one pro-gun American here suggest a sensible and long overdue reform that isn't about classes, background checks or putting guards (and even more guns) in schools etc. Something that actually takes some of the guns off the street.
Any takers?
The truth is, that to you or any pro-gun American, there's no such thing as "reasonable" (re any proposed gun controls). That you regard the otherwise innocent, law-abiding gun owner as the real victim and conveniently ignore the thousands of innocent gun victims as a consequence. You all have one lousy and highly selfish sense of priorities...! You are the exception to the rule of human evolution.
Btw, in Australia, all cars come with seat belts and it's an offense for *anyone* not wearing one - FULL STOP. And yes, the driver is responsible for ALL passengers wearing them, too. IE, someone in the back isn't wearing their belt, that person and the driver are both likely to be fined.
I guess I'll never get Americans and their apparent death wish. Wtf is so hard about buckling up - I mean, it's right there and takes all of 2 seconds to put it on...!
Focus.
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