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Focus50 -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 11:45:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: punisher440

And when crims shoot it out with each other (you know, Nature's way), you don't think there are times when innocents get caught in the crossfire?


Criminals shooting each other is "Nature's Way" now that is a far strech.


Actually, punisher440 didn't say that - those are my words he's quoting (or trying to). And yeah, a "far stretch" as I was being sarcastic.

Focus.




Focus50 -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 12:02:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

England "gave" (kinda like they "gave" us independence) the Irish Repubic independence. Thought it would get rid of all the Catholic "trouble makers" and we all know were that led.


Dunno if they actually thought that (get rid of all the Catholic "trouble makers") as practically the entire history of mankind has differing religious theologies at the heart of expressing hatred towards each other.

And Catholocism is one to feature prominantly for attracting bad press. Certainly here in Oz, their past practises are about to be put under the Federal Government's judicial microscope.

Focus.




BamaD -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 1:01:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Focus50


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

England "gave" (kinda like they "gave" us independence) the Irish Repubic independence. Thought it would get rid of all the Catholic "trouble makers" and we all know were that led.


Dunno if they actually thought that (get rid of all the Catholic "trouble makers") as practically the entire history of mankind has differing religious theologies at the heart of expressing hatred towards each other.

And Catholocism is one to feature prominantly for attracting bad press. Certainly here in Oz, their past practises are about to be put under the Federal Government's judicial microscope.

Focus.


As you most likely know North Ireland is mostly protestant so it looks like they were trying to segregate by religion.




punisher440 -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 1:43:39 PM)

I was not the first to bring up guns in this thread and yet you choose to start on me when the poster I was responding to was doing the same thing yet you ignored him and started on me.I wonder why that might be...could it be he wants to ban guns as well?

From the "Guns" thread on post number 481 " I'd mostly look to shoot feral cats (including the odd pet that strayed - oops) but often hadta settle for ratbits (rabbits but orta be declared rats). " So now do you remember? Exactly why should I provide you with numbers killed in the U.S. for tobacco and alcohol when it is you that keeps going on and on about U.S. gun deaths.If you are so concerned about keeping people alive,try starting in your own country.So how about you tending to your business in Australia and we will deal with our business over here.

edited to remove your childish name calling quotes




Focus50 -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 7:49:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: punisher440

I was not the first to bring up guns in this thread and yet you choose to start on me when the poster I was responding to was doing the same thing yet you ignored him and started on me.I wonder why that might be...could it be he wants to ban guns as well?

That's right, "guns" - as part of a discussion of how different cultures (ie, nationalities) do things. The differences and finding a middle-ground between those cultures (countries) is what THIS topic is about. I've also been discussing the Brits vs English with jlf1961 (the OP), Wales & England with BamaD and North vs South Ireland (and Rugby) with PeonForHer.

Then there's you...! All you wanna do is tell the different nationalities/cultures to butt out of the US and your rather unique ways of doing things, altogether. So I ask for about the 3rd time, why tha hell are you even here when *this* topic is the last thing you wanna discuss????



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From the "Guns" thread on post number 481 " I'd mostly look to shoot feral cats (including the odd pet that strayed - oops) but often hadta settle for ratbits (rabbits but orta be declared rats). " So now do you remember?

I see; this is me killing "my neighbour's cat"?

What it is, is me shooting cats in the bush about half a kilometre from any neighbours. Now I don't know if you have anything like the feral cat problem we have in Oz, but I'm gonna at least assume you're a heavily armed gun owner and shooter.

Sooo, shooting cats in the Oz bush - and the difference between a feral and a stray pet.

Stray pets are just that, someone's domestic cat - maybe it has a collar, maybe not. But a feral in the Oz bush, they look a bit different. They're usually filthy, lotsa cuts and minor injuries, the fur is matted and covered in burrs and they usually have masses of ticks around their mouth especially but also a few at their eyes, ears and No 2 shute.

When I'm specifically targeting cats, I just use a vanilla .22 rifle and either hollow points or high-velocity ammo. Usual ideal range is from about 20 out to 50 metres. Best time to hunt them is around dusk. So it's darkish, most cats you spot at the edge of brush (differing shady light) and even looking through a 4X32 Tasco scope, you don't pick up ticks or cuts or dirty, matted fur etc. Or conversely, a collar, either.

And nor would I care. Domestics are no less damaging to native wildlife than a feral and they have no business out in the bush. And it's likely a lost and budding feral anyway.



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Exactly why should I provide you with numbers killed in the U.S. for tobacco and alcohol when it is you that keeps going on and on about U.S. gun deaths.If you are so concerned about keeping people alive,try starting in your own country.

For starters, exactly because of what *this* topic is about. You wanna tell me all about how "bad" it is in Oz but fail to provide a comparable standard. I did with gun deaths (0.09/100,000 in Oz and 3.7/100,00 in the US - 41 times higher per capita). I'm not so much concerned about keeping people alive as being against the utter carnage of innocents, like at Newtown.


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So how about you tending to your business in Australia and we will deal with our business over here.

<groan>


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edited to remove your childish name calling quotes

Considering the problems you've had with CM's quoting mechanics, I don't believe that's the real reason you've edited.

Yet you do have a point. Not quite convinced I should be the only one left banging my head against walls but yeah, I called you childish names on a public forum - and I shouldn't have. I'm almost tempted to say Kirata was right about one thing (my "descent into personal attacks and name calling") - post # 239 - but last I heard from him, he was off to see an oral surgeon about a wedged foot.

Anyway, I do apologise for calling you names and will restrain myself in future. To a point.... ;)

Focus.




Focus50 -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 7:57:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

As you most likely know North Ireland is mostly protestant so it looks like they were trying to segregate by religion.


Well no, I didn't actually know north and south was an attempt to segregate along religious lines.

Figured the Irish just like to fight anyway, but ok, religion is the universal vehicle to provide that.

Focus.




Nosathro -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 8:07:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Focus50


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: punisher440

And when crims shoot it out with each other (you know, Nature's way), you don't think there are times when innocents get caught in the crossfire?


Criminals shooting each other is "Nature's Way" now that is a far strech.


Actually, punisher440 didn't say that - those are my words he's quoting (or trying to). And yeah, a "far stretch" as I was being sarcastic.

Focus.


Thank you for the information...




BamaD -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 8:21:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Focus50


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

As you most likely know North Ireland is mostly protestant so it looks like they were trying to segregate by religion.


Well no, I didn't actually know north and south was an attempt to segregate along religious lines.

Figured the Irish just like to fight anyway, but ok, religion is the universal vehicle to provide that.

Focus.


There are many who would agree about the Irish inclination toward violence.




Owner59 -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 8:25:28 PM)

And there are many who would agree about the religious inclination toward violence......




Nosathro -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 8:27:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Focus50


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

As you most likely know North Ireland is mostly protestant so it looks like they were trying to segregate by religion.


Well no, I didn't actually know north and south was an attempt to segregate along religious lines.

Figured the Irish just like to fight anyway, but ok, religion is the universal vehicle to provide that.

Focus.


There are many who would agree about the Irish inclination toward violence.


Oh give me a break, sterotyping....




Kirata -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 8:49:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Focus50

I'm almost tempted to say Kirata was right about one thing (my "descent into personal attacks and name calling") - post # 239 - but last I heard from him, he was off to see an oral surgeon about a wedged foot.

Heh. Well let's see who's foot is where...

Assault Victims by Country
Rape Victims by Country

Australia ranks 3rd in the world for assaults, the U.S. 9th; Australia ranks 5th for rapes, the U.S. 13th. And you're busy preaching to other countries so their people too can be saved from the world's Great Satan: guns.

Australians Demand Right of Self Defense

Two thousand angry Australians gather to demand gun rights and justice. Ginny Simone reports that the people of Australia gathered at the feet of Parliament with signs and outraged chanting in protest of the country's gun bans. Interviewees from the crowd discuss the gun buyback that required citizens to surrender their weapons with the threat of jail, an event that resulted in the confiscation of over 6,000 guns. With millions of dollars spent and no reduction in crime from the gun bans, Australians demand the right to defend themselves and to feel safe in their homes.

Well at least you're killing those nasty cats.

K.




Owner59 -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 8:54:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Focus50

I'm almost tempted to say Kirata was right about one thing (my "descent into personal attacks and name calling") - post # 239 - but last I heard from him, he was off to see an oral surgeon about a wedged foot.

Heh. Well let's see...

Assault Victims by Country
Rape Victims by Country

Australia ranks 3rd in the world for assaults, the U.S. 9th; Australia ranks 5th for rapes, the U.S. 13th. But Australians are happy and content, knowing that their country is safe from the world's Great Satan: guns.

Australians Demand Right of Self Defense

Two thousand angry Australians gather to demand gun rights and justice. Ginny Simone reports that the people of Australia gathered at the feet of Parliament with signs and outraged chanting in protest of the country's gun bans. Interviewees from the crowd discuss the gun buyback that required citizens to surrender their weapons with the threat of jail, an event that resulted in the confiscation of over 6,000 guns. With millions of dollars spent and no reduction in crime from the gun bans, Australians demand the right to defend themselves and to feel safe in their homes.

Well at least you're killing those nasty cats.

K.


No need to bull shit us about the "Australian gun ban"


And 2000 gun-nutters gathering means jack shit.




Kirata -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 8:57:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

And 2000 gun-nutters...

Give it up, you'll never be able to compete with Focus on insults. [:D]

K.








Owner59 -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 9:00:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

And 2000 gun-nutters...

Give it up, you'll never be able to compete with Focus on insults. [:D]

K.









With you providing the set ups....I have a fighting chance.....[;)]




Kirata -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 9:05:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

With you providing the set ups....I have a fighting chance.....[;)]

Ha! By the way, as a percentage of the population, that 2,000 is the equivalent of a crowd of 30,000 in the U.S.

K.








Owner59 -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 9:30:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

With you providing the set ups....I have a fighting chance.....[;)]

Ha! By the way, as a percentage of the population, that 2,000 is the equivalent of crowd of 30,000 in the U.S.

K.





30,000 gun-nutters gathered means jack shit.......




Nosathro -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 9:45:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Focus50

I'm almost tempted to say Kirata was right about one thing (my "descent into personal attacks and name calling") - post # 239 - but last I heard from him, he was off to see an oral surgeon about a wedged foot.

Heh. Well let's see who's foot is where...

Assault Victims by Country
Rape Victims by Country

Australia ranks 3rd in the world for assaults, the U.S. 9th; Australia ranks 5th for rapes, the U.S. 13th. And you're busy preaching to other countries so their people too can be saved from the world's Great Satan: guns.

Australians Demand Right of Self Defense

Two thousand angry Australians gather to demand gun rights and justice. Ginny Simone reports that the people of Australia gathered at the feet of Parliament with signs and outraged chanting in protest of the country's gun bans. Interviewees from the crowd discuss the gun buyback that required citizens to surrender their weapons with the threat of jail, an event that resulted in the confiscation of over 6,000 guns. With millions of dollars spent and no reduction in crime from the gun bans, Australians demand the right to defend themselves and to feel safe in their homes.

Well at least you're killing those nasty cats.

K.



Let's see in 2007 Australia had a population of 21, 015,042 so 2,000 is about 0.009% of the population..WOW that is alot of people...a clear majority....[sm=biggrin.gif]

Further US had higher car thefts, US has 142% higer Gun Violence, US has more people in Jail, 9 times more, then there is the US with 158 times more murders by firearms...yep, Australia should not talk...especially about killing poor little kitty cats
But the buy plan seems to working...gun control...working OMG...

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime




Nosathro -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 9:49:54 PM)

ORIGINAL: Kirata


Ha! By the way, as a percentage of the population, that 2,000 is the equivalent of a crowd of 30,000 in the U.S.

K

Let's see 2012 population of the US is about 312,780,968 so 30,000 is still about 0.009% boy that is alot [sm=mrpuffy.gif]

We get almost 10 times (30,000) the number of people coming to Comic-Con




Kirata -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 10:33:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

We get almost 10 times (30,000) the number of people coming to Comic-Con

I very much appreciate your comments. If there's anything in this world that might motivate Focus50 to reconsider his views, it's finding you supporting them.

K.




BamaD -> RE: In an effort to find some common ground. (2/10/2013 10:37:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

We get almost 10 times (30,000) the number of people coming to Comic-Con

I very much appreciate your comments. If there's anything in this world that might motivate Focus50 to reconsider his views, it's finding you supporting them.

K.


30,000 is an only huge crowd, if they are leftist.




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