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littlewonder -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/13/2013 8:53:14 PM)
As long as you continue to eat dinner with your parents, then it's going to be harder and harder for you to keep to your needed changes. Yes, it will work for awhile until one day you decide you want a treat that your mom is making. I know you already talk about how you like to give yourself treats by mixing things up a little but if you are like most people, once you have that treat it becomes another and another until you fall back into your old trap. You need to find a way to keep away at dinner time if you can't move and maybe make your own dinners at a separate time.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/13/2013 8:57:04 PM)
Its not that I dont like her cooking, or what she fixes, I do. But I am not MEDICALLY supposed to have the stuff or I have to.seriously limit and moniter it. I dont even really know to well.how to do right nowand fight to get someone to learn/ slash pay attention/ stop trying to tempt me all.the time.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/13/2013 9:02:58 PM)
Littlewonder, I am very happy n proud I had none of the cake!

littlewonder -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/13/2013 9:09:31 PM)
well that's good. You have to keep doing that. I know it's not easy and that's my concern. I do hope you can stay strong and away from temptations though. I know even for me it's extremely difficult, especially when I'm upset. Today I was pissed about stuff and ate all the wrong things and just pigged out. Now I feel awful both physically and mentally. But tomorrow is another day and hopefully won't be so bad.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/13/2013 10:40:50 PM)
Yes. Tomorow is a new day. I hope you feel better tomorow.

LafayetteLady -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 12:07:18 AM)
Ok, so you can't move, I know it is not the easiest situation to not eat dinner and then fix yourself something later, and you really lack will power, so what other options are there? What if you kept the makings for salad around all the time? You know, tomatoes, cucumbers, some onion, pepper, lettuce, celery, whatever else you might enjoy (handfuls of nuts and raisins add a nice twist). When your mother makes hamburger helper, you could enjoy a small portion, but have yourself a large salad that will fill you up, and then leave the table before she brings out dessert?

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 1:24:09 AM)
I love salad! And I dont even put dressing on our green salads:) yeah I get up and go back to my room if I am sitting and chit chatting and then I am tempted to eat more, or eat something I shouldnt.

Moonhead -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 5:03:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom You are aware I am a diabetic and when I say counting carbs it's not a health fad nonsense, it's a thing you're supposed to do to help control the diabetes. quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead The sooner they give up on this carb counting nonesense and move onto the next scripted health fad the better. Yes. And I'm aware that when I tried using it to control my own diabetes, all it achieved was putting my blood sugars through the roof, until I got to discuss it with a consultant (rather than a specialist nurse with a script) who told me to forget about it as it obviously wasn't working in my case.

Notsweet -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 5:16:18 AM)
OP--Hon, I've read a lot of your posts, and you tend to go to the "yes, but" an awful lot. I know you're in a rough situation. However, you could really use an attitude change. You're letting your surroundings dictate what you can and can't do. You and the significant other, if I recall correctly, are both living with your parents. If there's disability, there's also outside help in employment, housing, food, and damn near anything else you need to live. Instead of asking strangers online what to do, you need to get on the webpage for the state you live in and check out assistance in ways other than you're getting. I would recommend that you check the health department for counselling and for your medical care, as well as food stamps. Of course, my advice is worth every penny you paid for it.

OsideGirl -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 11:43:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ Some dietitians will tell you, you can have anything "in moderation" and that having a little taste will head off binge-ing later. For some people though eating sweets makes them crave more sweets and sets them up to 'cheat'. Angelika has a pretty good grip on it. Carbs that come from things like flour, sugar, rice, pasta and potatoes are basically empty carbs and will drive your blood sugar up. Eating these items will actually cause the craving for more empty carbs. Here's a really basic scenario what happens when someone who is insulin resistant or diabetic eats: The brain sends out the testers to see the level of blood sugar. It sends out insulin which knocks on the doors of the cells to let the glucose into the cells to use as energy. The cells are insulin resistant, so they treat the insulin like Jehovah's Witnesses and don't answer the door. The brain sends out testers again and finds the glucose is still high, so it sends out more insulin, which the cells ignore. The brain sends out testers again and sees the glucose is still high, decides that you've just over eaten and converts the glucose to fat. But, the cells are actually now starving because they didn't allow the glucose in. And because the cells are starving you're tired, have low energy and are hungry....which causes you to crave more empty carbs to provide an energy boost. If you're going to indulge in sweets, you're better off doing something like cheesecake. It's lower in carbs, higher in protein and the fat will slow down the carb absorption. quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead The sooner they give up on this carb counting nonesense and move onto the next scripted health fad the better. Reducing carbs is actually an older form of dieting than the thermogenic or the reduced fat diet. The first book mentioning reducing carbs was published in the early 1800s. The thermogenic and reduced fat diets were created in the mid 20th century and the science behind them was flawed. So, really counting calories and fat would be the fad diet.

Moonhead -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 11:49:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead The sooner they give up on this carb counting nonesense and move onto the next scripted health fad the better. Reducing carbs is actually an older form of dieting than the thermogenic or the reduced fat diet. The first book mentioning reducing carbs was published in the early 1800s. The thermogenic and reduced fat diets were created in the mid 20th century and the science behind them was flawed. So, really counting calories and fat would be the fad diet. No argument with that: I'm just saying it isn't an approach that works in every case, which has led to a little irritation on my part with the fact that everything else has been dumped from the scripts.

OsideGirl -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 11:56:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead The sooner they give up on this carb counting nonesense and move onto the next scripted health fad the better. Reducing carbs is actually an older form of dieting than the thermogenic or the reduced fat diet. The first book mentioning reducing carbs was published in the early 1800s. The thermogenic and reduced fat diets were created in the mid 20th century and the science behind them was flawed. So, really counting calories and fat would be the fad diet. No argument with that: I'm just saying it isn't an approach that works in every case, which has led to a little irritation on my part with the fact that everything else has been dumped from the scripts. I think the problem is that there are varying levels for what works for different people. For my father, going hardcore on the carb reduction did not work for him, it was too much protein. What worked for him was a moderate carb diet. For me, somewhere between Atkins and South Beach works.

Moonhead -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 12:14:17 PM)
Absolutely, which is why I have a bit of a problem with scripted "one size fits all" solutions: there's always somebody it isn't going to fit.

agent0fchaos -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 12:27:00 PM)
To be fair to potatoes, if eaten in moderation, they're one of the better carbs you can have.

Moonhead -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 12:58:00 PM)
I mostly tend to stick to potatoes, rather than pasta or rice, to be honest. However I'm not weighing how many go in the saucepan before every meal and then adjusting my insulin dose by a point or two. Apart from anything else, the insulin/complex carbs ratio that was suggested was ridiculously low. Tripling it might have produced an effect that wouldn't have me up half the night pissing and getting fits of double vision, but the script the alleged specialists had been given didn't allow for that. I admit that I felt a vicious and smug satisfaction when I was told by a consultant that this wasn't working for me and I should forget it. Hilariously, I then had one of the specialists at my next appointment telling me that just because he'd said that their solution wasn't working at all didn't mean it was inappropriate in my case...

LafayetteLady -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 2:42:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead The sooner they give up on this carb counting nonesense and move onto the next scripted health fad the better. Reducing carbs is actually an older form of dieting than the thermogenic or the reduced fat diet. The first book mentioning reducing carbs was published in the early 1800s. The thermogenic and reduced fat diets were created in the mid 20th century and the science behind them was flawed. So, really counting calories and fat would be the fad diet. No argument with that: I'm just saying it isn't an approach that works in every case, which has led to a little irritation on my part with the fact that everything else has been dumped from the scripts. I hate how most are so uninformed about what diabetics should eat. Like earlier when someone talked about not having sugar. While TFB doesn't have the willpower to eat whatever in moderation, it does work for others (although not for you, lol). It's kind of like how everyone believes that someone who is overweight with diabetes, has diabetes because they are overweight. There are many other factors involved, and if being fat (I really hate that word) was the major contributor to diabetes, many more people would have it. Each person, whether modifying their diet due to a health issue or simply to lose weight, the method of doing so can be as variable as people are different. The best thing for TFB would be to live separately from her parents, but financially, that simply isn't possible. Taking over the cooking of dinner would work well if her mother will let her, but I'm doubtful about that being an options. Filling up on salad and not overdoing the hamburger helpful would be a good start. For the record, I happen to like hamburger helper, and for those that are financially strapped, it is a good way to make enough food for your (general your) family to get enough to eat. This is one of the reasons so many poor people are overweight. They need to stretch their food budgetl

LafayetteLady -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 2:44:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl If you're going to indulge in sweets, you're better off doing something like cheesecake. It's lower in carbs, higher in protein and the fat will slow down the carb absorption. What wonderful news! I love cheesecake! I avoid it as much as possible, but it is so nice to know that it is on the list of "better" desserts from a health standpoint.

OsideGirl -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 3:11:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agent0fchaos To be fair to potatoes, if eaten in moderation, they're one of the better carbs you can have. No, they're not. A baked potato is 111 on the glycemic index (pure glucose is 100) and it's a simple carb. Better carbs are complex carbs like green vegetables, fruits and legumes.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 5:15:49 PM)
Thank you. I loved your description of the knocking and the cells treating the insulin like a pesky person on the door step and refusing to answer. I laughed really hard. It's also very easy to understand! quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl Here's a really basic scenario what happens when someone who is insulin resistant or diabetic eats: The brain sends out the testers to see the level of blood sugar. It sends out insulin which knocks on the doors of the cells to let the glucose into the cells to use as energy. The cells are insulin resistant, so they treat the insulin like Jehovah's Witnesses and don't answer the door. The brain sends out testers again and finds the glucose is still high, so it sends out more insulin, which the cells ignore. The brain sends out testers again and sees the glucose is still high, decides that you've just over eaten and converts the glucose to fat. But, the cells are actually now starving because they didn't allow the glucose in. And because the cells are starving you're tired, have low energy and are hungry....which causes you to crave more empty carbs to provide an energy boost. If you're going to indulge in sweets, you're better off doing something like cheesecake. It's lower in carbs, higher in protein and the fat will slow down the carb absorption. quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/14/2013 5:22:07 PM)
what about sweet potato's or yams? my dad keeps saying those are just fine for you, but hes already admited he knows nothing about glycemic index or any of that.

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