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Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/22/2013 4:17:35 PM   
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HOW TO DEBUNK JUST ABOUT ANYTHING

Part 1: General Debunkery

<> Before commencing to debunk, prepare your equipment. Equipment needed: one armchair.

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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/22/2013 6:03:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		No link or how-to manual required, Real. My experience is that many conspiracy theories will debunk themselves, right off the bat. Once again, it's the beauty of free speech, where idiots open their mouths, and make clear they are idiots.

Take 9/11. Now I haven't bothered with a website, or a video, or even an article, in years (save your keystrokes - I doubt I'll ever come back into this thread), so it's possible they smartened up (extremely doubtful, but possible), but the damage was permanent. When they led with a comparison of the B-25 crash into the Empire State building as an example of why planes don't bring down skyscrapers, I'm done. It's a comparison that only works for fucking ignorant douchebags, who know nothing of aircraft, or construction.

Are there conspiracies? Of course. Ask Danny Casolaro how getting close to them works out. If you are still alive, you've got nothing.

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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/23/2013 7:59:20 PM   
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No link or how-to manual required, Real. My experience is that many conspiracy theories will debunk themselves, right off the bat. Once again, it's the beauty of free speech, where idiots open their mouths, and make clear they are idiots.

Take 9/11. Now I haven't bothered with a website, or a video, or even an article, in years (save your keystrokes - I doubt I'll ever come back into this thread), so it's possible they smartened up (extremely doubtful, but possible), but the damage was permanent. When they led with a comparison of the B-25 crash into the Empire State building as an example of why planes don't bring down skyscrapers, I'm done. It's a comparison that only works for fucking ignorant douchebags, who know nothing of aircraft, or construction.

Are there conspiracies? Of course. Ask Danny Casolaro how getting close to them works out. If you are still alive, you've got nothing.

Have a lovely evening.

B-25's and why planes don't bring down skyscrapers ? Never heard that one. Maybe that one was manufactured specifically for the purpose of using a line in that brilliant essay. Say, like use the apples and oranges argument against conspiracy never used to prove the theory...that is used. Oh and the use of the description of theorists as idiots is another goody but an oldie. Usually they are just crack pots or nut jobs.

It covers most all you need to know and even more than that. After all, it was enough back in the day to debunk the very idea that the world was round and not the center of the universe just to tell them it was blasphemy, even heresy and off to the clink or some other more convincing surroundings...you went. Theory debunked.


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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 12:57:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Conspiracy theorists debunk themselves. Most of them are simpletons parroting nonsense they've been told by other conspiracy theorists. No debunking required.

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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 2:57:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the event that the conspiracy doesn't debunk itself, a useful tool is the St. Louis Fed's FRED2. Of course, the type of person who believes in conspiracy theories isn't about to let minor details like numbers get in their way ...

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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 5:31:42 AM   
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The JFK assassination, FEMA detention centers, faked moon landing, hiding the truth about Roswell, New Coke, chicken and waffle potato chips, reality tv (an effort to control the masses through mindless tv programing,) supporting the alien house cat invasion and take over of the planet, the exploration of women by the NFL (cheerleaders,) and of course the coverup of the fact that President Obama was not born in this country, or even on this planet, he is an alien in league with the house cats, and of course the death of superman in the comics, not to mention substandard porn that consists of one mindless sex act after another with no plot line whatsoever.

OF course there is the following to consider, Al Qaeda is a CIA cover for covert operations against the US, and the free world. The Free Masons are behind 9/11 and the current economic down turn, Goldman Sachs is trying to corner the banking industry market of venture capital for companies who market fresh bovine produced all natural fertilizer...

Finally The heretic and I are agents of the NWO and Illuminati in charge of monitoring the online BDSM community, spreading disinformation concerning the activities of both political parties, and making a list of conspiracy theorists who have gotten too close to the truth and need to be rounded up and put in reeducation camps to become mindless minions of the Conch Republic spreading the good news about the coming of the one true god, Bob, and his prophet Dora the Explorer.

Have I missed anything?

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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 8:35:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fmfclwu
In the event that the conspiracy doesn't debunk itself, a useful tool is the St. Louis Fed's FRED2. Of course, the type of person who believes in conspiracy theories isn't about to let minor details like numbers get in their way ...

LOLOLOLOL... oh dear lord that's terribly funny. Look, I believe in numbers. But I'd kind of like my numbers to come from a credible source and I'd have to put the Fed pretty near the bottom of "credible sources" in my list.

jlf1961 asked: Have I missed anything?
Uh... sure. WMD, Iran Contra, Watergate, wikileaks (et.al), need I go on?

The problem with conspiracy theories is that some of them are true. Heck, regarding my "conspiracy theory" regarding the Fed above, it's not even a theory. You got a group of private people controlling the US monetary supply that have never been audited and resist any attempt to audit. Anyone who finds that "credible" I'd like to do business with myself.


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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 9:57:07 AM   
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Have I missed anything?


You missed the flat earth conspiracy theory that every government on earth has gotten together and decided to lie to us about the shape of our planet for no reason whatsoever.

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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 10:32:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: fmfclwu
In the event that the conspiracy doesn't debunk itself, a useful tool is the St. Louis Fed's FRED2. Of course, the type of person who believes in conspiracy theories isn't about to let minor details like numbers get in their way ...

LOLOLOLOL... oh dear lord that's terribly funny. Look, I believe in numbers. But I'd kind of like my numbers to come from a credible source and I'd have to put the Fed pretty near the bottom of "credible sources" in my list.

jlf1961 asked: Have I missed anything?
Uh... sure. WMD, Iran Contra, Watergate, wikileaks (et.al), need I go on?

The problem with conspiracy theories is that some of them are true. Heck, regarding my "conspiracy theory" regarding the Fed above, it's not even a theory. You got a group of private people controlling the US monetary supply that have never been audited and resist any attempt to audit. Anyone who finds that "credible" I'd like to do business with myself.




Crimes and wrong doing aren`t conspiracy theories.


A fake moon landing,9/11 "an inside job",Obama born in Africa,Jews control our banks, etc. are conspiracy theories......and by design, are never meant to be resolved or solved.


The very point of an impossible scenario is to remain in question indefinitely.


The weirder,the more grotesk,the more insulting(the Holicaust was faked) the conspiracy theory...the better.


Question......what conspiracy theory has ever been proven right?

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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 10:36:06 AM   
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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 2:41:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/flat-earth-society-psychology_n_2038198.html
Through a flat-earther's eyes

First, a brief tour of the worldview of a flat-earther: While writing off buckets of concrete evidence that Earth is spherical, they readily accept a laundry list of propositions that some would call ludicrous. The leading flat-earther theory holds that Earth is a disc with the Arctic Circle in the center and Antarctica, a 150-foot-tall wall of ice, around the rim. NASA employees, they say, guard this ice wall to prevent people from climbing over and falling off the disc. Earth's day and night cycle is explained by positing that the sun and moon are spheres measuring 32 miles (51 kilometers) that move in circles 3,000 miles (4,828 km) above the plane of the Earth. (Stars, they say, move in a plane 3,100 miles up.) Like spotlights, these celestial spheres illuminate different portions of the planet in a 24-hour cycle. Flat-earthers believe there must also be an invisible "antimoon" that obscures the moon during lunar eclipses.

Furthermore, Earth's gravity is an illusion, they say. Objects do not accelerate downward; instead, the disc of Earth accelerates upward at 32 feet per second squared (9.8 meters per second squared), driven up by a mysterious force called dark energy.

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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 3:24:25 PM   
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jlf1961 asked: Have I missed anything?
Uh... sure. WMD, Iran Contra, Watergate, wikileaks (et.al), need I go on?




I was referring to the ones I had direct involvement in. You see the NWO grants its agents a much longer lifespan. The pay sucks however.

Now as for WMD's, if referring to those allegedly in Iraq, that was just blatent lies spewed by the George Bush puppet at the will of his controllers.

Iran Contra, I am not sure I would call that a conspiracy, I mean the idiots involved fucked up so bad at keeping it a secret, that half the military knew what was going on.

Watergate? If you think that Nixon erasing tapes and then being stupid enough to admit they existed? Stupidity pure and simple, no conspiracy a typical covert fuckup worthy of the keystone cops.

Wikileaks? A one man job on the inside, takes more than one person to form a conspiracy.

A true conspiracy is one that remains secret even though there are hints of what is going on, there is no direct proof, nothing that clearly ties those involved together.

For example, shortly after the shuttle went fully operational, there were a series of missions arranged by the Air Force to put spy satellites into orbit. At that time the KH or Key Hole series was in use, and those were too big for the shuttle cargo bay.

Now here is the real funny part, in mission control for each of those missions, at the payload console were specialists involved in high power laser research.

I find that strange since none of these people were involved in spy satellite development.

Since then, a few have looked into it, but there is no connection or explanation why those people were in mission control.

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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 3:33:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

No link or how-to manual required, Real. My experience is that many conspiracy theories will debunk themselves, right off the bat. Once again, it's the beauty of free speech, where idiots open their mouths, and make clear they are idiots.

Take 9/11. Now I haven't bothered with a website, or a video, or even an article, in years (save your keystrokes - I doubt I'll ever come back into this thread), so it's possible they smartened up (extremely doubtful, but possible), but the damage was permanent. When they led with a comparison of the B-25 crash into the Empire State building as an example of why planes don't bring down skyscrapers, I'm done. It's a comparison that only works for fucking ignorant douchebags, who know nothing of aircraft, or construction.

Are there conspiracies? Of course. Ask Danny Casolaro how getting close to them works out. If you are still alive, you've got nothing.

Have a lovely evening.

B-25's and why planes don't bring down skyscrapers ? Never heard that one. Maybe that one was manufactured specifically for the purpose of using a line in that brilliant essay. Say, like use the apples and oranges argument against conspiracy never used to prove the theory...that is used. Oh and the use of the description of theorists as idiots is another goody but an oldie. Usually they are just crack pots or nut jobs.

It covers most all you need to know and even more than that. After all, it was enough back in the day to debunk the very idea that the world was round and not the center of the universe just to tell them it was blasphemy, even heresy and off to the clink or some other more convincing surroundings...you went. Theory debunked.


Right after WWII a B25 with I think it was 4 people aboard flew into the Empire stste building. It caused considerable damage. The engines on the 9/11 airliners weighed about as much as it did. The fuel on the airliners weighed as much as the B25 and was more volitale than anything the bomber had on it.

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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 3:39:51 PM   
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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 3:43:21 PM   
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The problem with conspiracy theories is that some of them are true. Heck, regarding my "conspiracy theory" regarding the Fed above, it's not even a theory. You got a group of private people controlling the US monetary supply that have never been audited and resist any attempt to audit. Anyone who finds that "credible" I'd like to do business with myself.



If you're referring to Ron Paul's "audit the Fed!" crusade, he was abusing the word "audit" worse than any sub on this site has ever been abused. The Fed publishes its balance sheet publicly, and publicly releases the minutes of all its meetings on a one-month lag. What possible meaning of the word "audit" could you apply to the Fed that would increase that transparency? Ron Paul's meaning of "audit" wasn't the English definition, it was a backdoor way of eventually letting Congress take over the Fed so he could try to force us back onto the gold standard.

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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 3:55:30 PM   
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The Bilderbergers,Jews secretly control the banks/world events,WTC #7,the moon landing was faked,Holocaust was faked,truthers/birthers,


The Federal Reserve?

Not a conspiracy.





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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 4:07:43 PM   
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Examples of conspiracy theories.

The Bilderbergers,Jews secretly control the banks/world events,WTC #7,the moon landing was faked,Holocaust was faked,truthers/birthers,


The Federal Reserve?

Not a conspiracy.







The Jews do not secretly control the banks, by Illuminati order, they are in charge of the diamond market, actually they are in charge of making the diamonds sold on the market.

The Bilcerbergers are not involved in any conspiracy... really, I am serious, they have nothing to do with the grand council of governors for the NWO, seriously, they are a bunch of rich cats who meet every now and then to throw an orgy.

I was not present to push the button that brought down the twin towers or WTC7 with explosives that were put in place during construction. I was at the playboy mansion getting a blow job from Barbi Benton.

And the moon landing was not a cover for putting orbiting nuclear weapons platforms into space for the Vatican.

Obama was not born in Kenya, nor was he born in Hawaii, he was born on the third planet orbiting Tau Ceti and was sent to earth to coordinate the activities of the creatures pretending to be house pets that look remarkably feline.

By the way Owner, you have gotten too close to the truth of some of our operations, a pickup team consisting of Brad Pitt and Dolph Lungren lookalikes will be picking you up in the next few days to take you to a reeducation center.

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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 8:34:53 PM   
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Conspiracy theorists debunk themselves. Most of them are simpletons parroting nonsense they've been told by other conspiracy theorists. No debunking required.

Course that's not true. That's like saying there has been no conspiracies and we all know there have been many very successful conspiracies. To have a theory is not in itself disqualifying. Did the govt.'s conspiracy theory on 9/11 debunk itself ?

To suggest they debunk themselves is not even an assessment. For example, the congress did an in depth investigation into the Kennedy assassination and came to the conclusion that beyond all doubt...there was a conspiracy and the Warren Comm. report was seriously flawed.

They didn't go beyond that but there was a conspiracy.

Also, as in my OP about history's greatest conspiracy theory. They were judged as idiots, nut jobs and crack pots all the way to jail, yet they never debunked themselves. The church and power held on for 1500 years at least. So society at large insisted they were not just simpletons spouting nonsense, they were much worse, sinners, crazy, headed for jail or death.

This we know beyond all doubt because those conspiracy theories turned out to be no mere theory at all...but fact, so they most certainly didn't debunk themselves.

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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 8:40:02 PM   
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Examples of conspiracy theories.

The Bilderbergers,Jews secretly control the banks/world events,WTC #7,the moon landing was faked,Holocaust was faked,truthers/birthers,


The Federal Reserve?

Not a conspiracy.







The Jews do not secretly control the banks, by Illuminati order, they are in charge of the diamond market, actually they are in charge of making the diamonds sold on the market.

The Bilcerbergers are not involved in any conspiracy... really, I am serious, they have nothing to do with the grand council of governors for the NWO, seriously, they are a bunch of rich cats who meet every now and then to throw an orgy.

I was not present to push the button that brought down the twin towers or WTC7 with explosives that were put in place during construction. I was at the playboy mansion getting a blow job from Barbi Benton.

And the moon landing was not a cover for putting orbiting nuclear weapons platforms into space for the Vatican.

Obama was not born in Kenya, nor was he born in Hawaii, he was born on the third planet orbiting Tau Ceti and was sent to earth to coordinate the activities of the creatures pretending to be house pets that look remarkably feline.

By the way Owner, you have gotten too close to the truth of some of our operations, a pickup team consisting of Brad Pitt and Dolph Lungren lookalikes will be picking you up in the next few days to take you to a reeducation center.

That's pretty good too. Who'd a thought that David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger and the queen of England get together for an orgy. On second thought, I don't want to think about that one.

After all, we are a kinky crowd, if people wish for power to piss in their face, even swallow some while they smile and say thank you...go ahead.

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RE: Conspiracy Theories - HOW TO DEBUNK ANYTHING - 2/24/2013 8:48:18 PM   
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Examples of conspiracy theories.

The Bilderbergers,Jews secretly control the banks/world events,WTC #7,the moon landing was faked,Holocaust was faked,truthers/birthers,


The Federal Reserve?

Not a conspiracy.





Well not only must we pick our conspiracies carefully if only because our theory should have some respectful shelf-life, I am not clear on the rest but the fed is 80% privately owned and has never been and will never be audited. Just as in the CIA...NEVER happen.

I guess America kinda likes $50 billion black holes...sells a lotta books, makes good fictional movies even if they are just enough of both truth while mostly, you know, fiction...to pass govt. muster.

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