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ORIGINAL: Andare

John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement:  "This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

In 1802, did Thomas Jefferson say?:
"I believe that  banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. We are completely saddled and bridled, and the bank is so firmly mounted on us that we must go where they ill guide. The dominion which the banking institutions have obtained over the minds of our citizens ... must be broken, or it will break us"

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ORIGINAL: Andare
In 1802, did Thomas Jefferson say?:
"I believe that  banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. We are completely saddled and bridled, and the bank is so firmly mounted on us that we must go where they ill guide. The dominion which the banking institutions have obtained over the minds of our citizens ... must be broken, or it will break us"

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ORIGINAL: Andare



In 1802, did Thomas Jefferson say?:
"I believe that  banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.... blah blah blah

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
No.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy
BTW... it was a bit of a hodge-podge of things he said and except for the clearly modern syntax, the quote it is in the Jeffersonian spirit. I am sure the man would have concurred with its message.

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But Jefferson was a bit of a fraud...so... there's that.

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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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The rights of Englishmen are the perceived traditional rights of British subjects. The notion refers to various constitutional documents that were created throughout various stages of English history, such as Magna Carta, the Declaration of Right (the text of which was recognised by Parliament in the Bill of Rights 1689), and others. Many Patriots in the Thirteen colonies argued that their rights as Englishmen were being violated, which subsequently became one of the original primary justifications for the American Revolution and the resulting separation from the British Empire.[1]


Blackstone called them "The absolute rights of every Englishman" , and explained how they had been established slowly over centuries of English history, in his book on Fundamental Laws of England, which was the first part of his influential Commentaries on the Laws of England.[2]

They were certain basic rights that all subjects of the English monarch were understood to be entitled.[2][3]


In the famous Slaughter-House Cases, Justice Bradley dissented with a rationale based on his assumption that the "rights of Englishmen" were a foundation of American law:

In this free country, the people of which inherited certain traditionary rights and privileges from their ancestors, citizenship means something. It has certain privileges and immunities attached to it which the government, whether restricted by express or implied limitations, cannot take away or impair ... and these privileges and immunities attach as well to citizenship of the United States as to citizenship of the States.

The people of this country brought with them to its shores the rights of Englishmen, the rights which had been wrested from English sovereigns at various periods of the nation's history. One of these fundamental rights was expressed in these words, found in Magna Carta:

"No freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseized of his freehold or liberties or free customs, or be outlawed or exiled, or any otherwise destroyed; nor will we pass upon him or condemn him but by lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land."

English constitutional writers expound this article as rendering life, liberty, and property inviolable except by due process of law. This is the very right which the plaintiffs in error claim in this case. Another of these rights was that of habeas corpus, or the right of having any invasion of personal liberty judicially examined into, at once, by a competent judicial magistrate. Blackstone classifies these fundamental rights under three heads, as the absolute rights of individuals, to-wit: the right of personal security, the right of personal liberty, and the right of private property....

The privileges and immunities of Englishmen were established and secured by long usage and by various acts of Parliament....

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Andare
In 1802, did Thomas Jefferson say?:
"I believe that  banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. We are completely saddled and bridled, and the bank is so firmly mounted on us that we must go where they ill guide. The dominion which the banking institutions have obtained over the minds of our citizens ... must be broken, or it will break us"

No.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

America is the most successful nation in the world!!!

Here is a test for you Machiavellis' out here, why would the treasury pick out those particular cutoff points? Yes it is extremely significant, anyone?

WHY IS THERE NEVER A ZERO?????

Eternal interest! Who makes money on that? You? SPending adjusted to max interest rather than max budget? Hows that plan workin for ya all? I mean aside from the fact that it makes every man woman and child a debtor, (bond slave).

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm

Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

2000 - Present
1950 - 1999
1900 - 1949
1850 - 1899
1790 - 1849

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, that was fuckin stupid as well as confused.  What cutoff points.  You have to remember, most of us don't use your brand of tinfoil. 

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

America is the most successful nation in the world!!!

Here is a test for you Machiavellis' out here, why would the treasury pick out those particular cutoff points? Yes it is extremely significant, anyone?

WHY IS THERE NEVER A ZERO?????

Eternal interest! Who makes money on that? You? SPending adjusted to max interest rather than max budget? Hows that plan workin for ya all? I mean aside from the fact that it makes every man woman and child a debtor, (bond slave).

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm

Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

2000 - Present
1950 - 1999
1900 - 1949
1850 - 1899
1790 - 1849

09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89

See, this is the undeniable success of capitalism. [sic] For any society to have a govt. in debt anything like $16 trillion in addition to private debt of some $40-$50 trillion must be a very, very rich society.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
For example, John Adams did in fact write in a letter to another friend around 1824-26 before he died..."You know my feelings against setting up a federal banking system and turning paper into money. For if we do that, we will forever be slave to the speculators."