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defiantbadgirl -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/10/2013 11:00:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I'm not sure why you are so hung up on the cancer diagnosis, DFB. Are you thinking radon exposure in the cell or something?


I'm hung up on it because I feel sorry for him. It's called sympathy. Not being able to get 2 years of life back has a lot more meaning when a person is terminally ill. It's so unfair that this man won't be alive long enough to really enjoy his just compensation. When people win frivilous lawsuits, I can understand others thinking about the taxpayers. But that's all some people care about even when there's good reason for someone filing for and winning a lawsuit.




TheHeretic -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/10/2013 11:15:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I'm not sure why you are so hung up on the cancer diagnosis, DFB. Are you thinking radon exposure in the cell or something?


I'm hung up on it because I feel sorry for him. It's called sympathy.



Ahh. Well that goes back to the point I've been making about the media reducing the story. "Feeling," is so much easier than "thinking," after all. Your comment does exlain the hostility to the facts, though.

No thinking person is going to be ok with what happened to this guy, regardless of the long rap sheet, but if we are supposed to just "feel" about it, then actually coming across with the facts might give people mixed feelings, and that doesn't make for a good bedtime story, now does it?





Real0ne -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/10/2013 12:39:47 PM)

whats the best form of government?
by feeling or by wallet?




TheHeretic -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/10/2013 2:15:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

whats the best form of government?
by feeling or by wallet?



It's an improper question, Real. We already have an artful combination of both. How do you think Obama got a second term?

And they are coming for you this term, you know. Just like in Brazil. I was cc'd on the memo. You'll be wishing for what this guy got. [8|]




tazzygirl -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/10/2013 5:43:50 PM)

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How does his record change the facts of the case for you?


... anyone else wanna take a try?

I guess the person it was asked of found it too difficult to answer.




Lucylastic -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/10/2013 6:06:43 PM)

Nah Tazzy, just another "rhetorical question " dontcha know[8|]




Politesub53 -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/10/2013 6:10:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

The article described him as mentally ill, Polite. If that played a role in him being placed in solitary, then so did his criminal history.

If anybody wants to spin this around to the horrors of solitary confinement, I'll agree that it is cruel and unusual, and argue that anybody who needs it on a prolonged basis because they are simply that violent, should probably either be executed, or shipped over to the thorazine ward anyway.

There is a lot more to this story. Decisions were made. Paperwork must surely have been, "lost." Guards either didn't care, didn't have the information they needed to do their jobs properly, or participated in a culture where this sort of thing was acceptable. Every step needed to be examined, blame needed to be specifically assigned, and the responsible parties needed to face justice.

But he got his lotto payday, so now the desire is to smugly say, victim good, police baa-ad, and attack any look at the real facts.

Yeah. That's helpful.


Seems to me the desire is to smugly say the victim "won the lottery", despite the way he was treated.




TheHeretic -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/10/2013 6:22:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Nah Tazzy, just another "rhetorical question " dontcha know[8|]



I have no idea, Lucy. That poster's remarks just show up as a link I don't click.





TheHeretic -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/10/2013 6:32:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Seems to me the desire is to smugly say the victim "won the lottery", despite the way he was treated.




He got a lotto size payday, Polite, even after the lawyers took their 1/3 - 1/2 cut, but the only winners in this are the public employees whose jobs and pensions are snug and secure. If your comment is what you took from my posts on this thread, I'll suggest you try reading them again.




tazzygirl -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/11/2013 1:47:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Nah Tazzy, just another "rhetorical question " dontcha know[8|]


LOL

Yeah, or likely a case of wadded panties.




mnottertail -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/11/2013 7:43:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Right. Nothing that might contradict your prejudices, or cause any questioning of your assumptions. Got it.



No, I don't listen to pure asswipe, like is on Faux, Breitbart, Boortz, that is to say, any right wing site, since they have demonstrated a propensity for lying shiteating, time after time.





Politesub53 -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/11/2013 4:57:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Seems to me the desire is to smugly say the victim "won the lottery", despite the way he was treated.




He got a lotto size payday, Polite, even after the lawyers took their 1/3 - 1/2 cut, but the only winners in this are the public employees whose jobs and pensions are snug and secure. If your comment is what you took from my posts on this thread, I'll suggest you try reading them again.

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But he got his lotto payday, so now the desire is to smugly say, victim good, police baa-ad, and attack any look at the real facts.


I got it from this Rich




TheHeretic -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/11/2013 6:04:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I got it from this Rich



And obviously by reading only the first 6 words of the sentence, before forming your conclusion, even when you hunted it back up to snip.





Politesub53 -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/12/2013 11:26:01 AM)

Obviously you are having trouble understanding your own posts Rich. Talking of real facts, you seem to have missed the most important one. The guy was WRONGFULLY detained in jail.




TheHeretic -> RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about him" (3/12/2013 6:33:47 PM)

I missed nothing, Polite, and I've been expressing an issue that the guilty get a walk on this, from my entry to the discussion.

Some (I have to guess a bit, for those who have had the privilege of appearing on my screen revoked) want to get pissy because I refuse to look at this within the narrow parameters of how CNN chose to frame the story, or restrict the subject to a one-dimensional "awww" response.

Welcome to life outside the lines. It's where the victim in this case lives, and where the staff at that jail chose to spend their on-the-clock hours. It's where an honest investigation would have gone.

I can only speculate on what sources have informed your vision of how law enforcement in the US actually gets carried out. I'm certain you've heard of the hated Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who got famous for the tents, and putting the inmates in pink skivvies, but have you ever even heard of the Twin Towers jail, or have the vaguest clue of the routine conditions for pre-trial (as in, not convicted of anything) confinement in that facility?

You don't know what you are talking about. Fine. Have fun anyway. I'm a free speech kind of guy, as you know. But if what I'm saying is going right past you, maybe hush, and see if you can puzzle it out. The victim here is not unique. He's just the one who got the right lawyers, and the right jury, and a check most people have to spend a dollar to dream about. At least with Rodney King, a few people went to trial before he got paid.

My refusal to assume the assigned, "oh, he's such a poor dear," stance, doesn't in any way lessen my outrage with what happened to him, or my disgust that the case is closed.





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