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RE: Now we know how it happened - - 3/14/2013 9:09:05 AM

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not all of us I would prefer they simply take a map, draw squares, and leave it alone.

Not if you voted either Democratic or Republican you wouldn't. If you voted for either of those then you support the status quo or, at a bare minimum, you feel that other issues are more important than a complete subversion of the election system.

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RE: Now we know how it happened - - 3/14/2013 9:24:20 AM

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Jeff---It's a lost cause, once the mud slinging begins each side only sees the other as the 'crooks.'

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RE: Now we know how it happened - - 3/14/2013 10:35:57 AM

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not all of us I would prefer they simply take a map, draw squares, and leave it alone.

Not if you voted either Democratic or Republican you wouldn't. If you voted for either of those then you support the status quo or, at a bare minimum, you feel that other issues are more important than a complete subversion of the election system.

Actually, Jeff, simply drawing squares and leaving them alone would still end up skewing everything as populations shift within a State. Personally, I think there should be some sort of bipartisan committee put up to determine redistricting. Maybe have several options put up for a vote at the first election after representative count is determined. So, after the 2010 census, allow for a year to implement any change in the representative numbers, and then put together 3 plans to the voters of the State. The plan with the most votes gets implemented. And, allow for no wrangling like there was in Ohio. Ohio lost 2 seats in the House. One of the ways that was taken into account was to merge two Districts (more or less; other boundaries also changed to give at least an outward look of maintaining population:representative ratios) into one. One of the nice things was that both representatives at the time were up for re-election. The stupidity of the Republican-controlled State Government was that the two districts merged contain Cleveland and Toledo, and just a little strip along the Lake Erie shore to connect the two municipalities that are roughly 2 hours apart. Not surprisingly, this new District contained 2 of the top 4 population centers, and both centers are very pro-Democrat. Of course, the two representatives were both long-time Democrat Representatives, too.

As much as I didn't like either Representative, it was clear that the Governor and the Ohio Legislature was working on rigging things towards Republicans. While I would prefer for Republican governance over Democrat governance, it is proper for governance as chosen by the voters, not by cheap ploy.

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RE: Now we know how it happened - - 3/14/2013 2:08:16 PM

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I took the "draw squares" thing to be a deliberate simplification. I stand by my point that how redistricting is actually done blatantly and obviously subverts the democratic process.

My point stands. If one votes for parties which do this crap then one is saying clearly and concisely, "I don't care about democracy".

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RE: Now we know how it happened - - 3/14/2013 2:10:04 PM

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not all of us I would prefer they simply take a map, draw squares, and leave it alone.

Not if you voted either Democratic or Republican you wouldn't. If you voted for either of those then you support the status quo or, at a bare minimum, you feel that other issues are more important than a complete subversion of the election system.

I vote depending on the issues, not the party. However, I am a registered Democrat

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