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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 7:12:27 PM

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It would appear that from your "logical" perspective you also feel that made in the factory formula is superior to mother's milk.

Or, it's that these people think it's the right of the mother to decide whether to breastfeed or formula feed. And, superiority isn't the only thing checked when making this decision.

Not to mention that not all mothers are even capable of lactating.

Are those the women we are talking about?

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 7:16:17 PM

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It would appear that from your "logical" perspective you also feel that made in the factory formula is superior to mother's milk.

It is that the right to choose includes choices you don't agree with.

You seem to be equating the "right to choose" with your right to be stupid. Now when you get home you can be as stupid as you choose but while in the hospital you will follow protocol prescribed by the hospital. If you have a problem with that then have your kid at home and deliver it yourself.

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 7:16:21 PM

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It would appear that from your "logical" perspective you also feel that made in the factory formula is superior to mother's milk.

Or, it's that these people think it's the right of the mother to decide whether to breastfeed or formula feed. And, superiority isn't the only thing checked when making this decision.

I hear that the hospital also wont let the mother shoot heroin while in the delivery room either. You seem to be making the case for ignorance.
Do you rallly feel that life threatning questions should be decided by those ignorant of the facts?

I'm not sure how you liken formula feeding to an illegal activity, so I don't see how your rebuttal has anything to do with my statement. Are you taking the position that formula-feeding instead of breastfeeding is life-threatening?

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 7:21:14 PM

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But while in the hospital you will follow protocol prescribed by the hospital. If you have a problem with that then have your kid at home and deliver it yourself.

But... It's not hospital protocol.

At any rate, does anyone know if Bloomberg is still backed by a majority, or are people distancing themselves?

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 7:22:41 PM

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It would appear that from your "logical" perspective you also feel that made in the factory formula is superior to mother's milk.

Or, it's that these people think it's the right of the mother to decide whether to breastfeed or formula feed. And, superiority isn't the only thing checked when making this decision.

I hear that the hospital also wont let the mother shoot heroin while in the delivery room either. You seem to be making the case for ignorance.
Do you rallly feel that life threatning questions should be decided by those ignorant of the facts?

I'm not sure how you liken formula feeding to an illegal activity

Would you be happier if I said drinking beer?,

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so I don't see how your rebuttal has anything to do with my statement. Are you taking the position that formula-feeding instead of breastfeeding is life-threatening?

That question was answered quite clearly in post 9...Perhaps you should research a bit before you get both feet in your mouth.

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 7:26:24 PM

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It would appear that from your "logical" perspective you also feel that made in the factory formula is superior to mother's milk.

Or, it's that these people think it's the right of the mother to decide whether to breastfeed or formula feed. And, superiority isn't the only thing checked when making this decision.

Not to mention that not all mothers are even capable of lactating.

Are those the women we are talking about?

The women that we are talking about are the set of women who give birth in NY hospitals. A subset of them cannot lactate. Does that answer your question?

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 7:34:15 PM

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But while in the hospital you will follow protocol prescribed by the hospital. If you have a problem with that then have your kid at home and deliver it yourself.

But... It's not hospital protocol.

If it is not hospital protocol what are you sniviling about.

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 7:36:18 PM

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The women that we are talking about are the set of women who give birth in NY hospitals. A subset of them cannot lactate. Does that answer your question?

The subset of women who cannot lactate are not at issue as they cannot lactate(that means they cannot brest feed. If you cannot brest feed how are you to be forced to brestfeed)...one would have thought that that was obvious.

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 7:36:51 PM

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If it is not hospital protocol what are you sniviling about.

The original post.

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 7:39:17 PM

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Mikey has one of THE worse stop and frisk policies in the United States......it`s infamous and fucking wrong......A hundred times more wrong than this ticky-tack, non-story....

But since it`s victims, are mostly black and Hispanics......the cons have NO problem with Mikey`s S&F policy.....

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 7:48:58 PM

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But while in the hospital you will follow protocol prescribed by the hospital. If you have a problem with that then have your kid at home and deliver it yourself.

But... It's not hospital protocol.

If it is not hospital protocol what are you sniviling about.

It is a government dictate.

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 7:55:07 PM

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Mikey has one of THE worse stop and frisk policies in the United States......it`s infamous and fucking wrong......A hundred times more wrong than this ticky-tack, non-story....

But since it`s victims, are mostly black and Hispanics......the cons have NO problem with Mikey`s S&F policy.....

It would seem that it is a fourth admendmnet violation no matter who the subject is.
This is an extension of the same government can do what it wants line of thought, after all if it saves one life.....
why not start thread on that both would seem to be a government overreach.

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 8:00:50 PM

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No one seems to have found the background for this story.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/07/30/should-hospitals-lock-up-baby-formula-to-promote-breast-feeding/

Should Hospitals Lock Up Baby Formula To Promote Breast Feeding?
July 30, 2012 1:07 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) — While hospitals in Illinois are now required to take more steps to encourage mothers to breast-feed their newborns, New York is taking the additional measure of locking up hospitals’ stockpile of infant formula.

Under a new program, reported by the New York Post, new mothers who insist on bottle-feeding will still be able to do so, but nurses would have to sign out the baby formula.

In Illinois, Gov. Pat Quinn signed a law in June that requires Illinois hospitals to develop policies that promote the healthy benefits of breast milk.

The University of Chicago Hospitals does not lock up baby formula, but is developing a policy that would require either a doctor’s order to begin formula feeding or documentation that a nurse counseled the mother on the benefits of breastfeeding over formulas, according to hospital spokeswoman Tiffani Washington.

NorthShore Hospitals keeps formula unlocked but in a location only accessible with help from a nurse. NorthShore also has stopped sending parents home with diaper bags full of formula, according to spokeswoman Colette Urban. They also have consultants on staff to counsel new mothers about breast feeding.

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has been criticized over the new policy, which is set to take effect in September.

Critics says the city shouldn’t impose on a mother’s choice to either breast feed or use formula. However, breast-feeding advocates says the policy is a good way to push the benefits of breast milk first.

The New York program is voluntary for hospitals.

The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that moms exclusively breast-feed for the first six months of a newborn’s life to boost protection against many illnesses and allergies, CBS News reports.

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 8:06:46 PM

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I remember this being discussed on this forum several years ago, If I remember correctly it was pushed aside an treated with derision as a dumb freakin idea, nevermade it past righties calling it a nanny state. Yet ignoring those rape and abortion bills and birthcontrol issues saying they will be repealed, dont worry.
Oh just like the drink ban has been
Priorities huh....
wow thanks Tazzy, I thought it was a lot further back than that.

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 8:08:45 PM

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As the mother of 2 formula-fed babies, I have to say Bloomie is just wrong on this one.

OK, with my first, I really wanted to breast feed, but we lived with my in-laws at the time and there were always a lot of people coming in and out of the house and I really couldn't picture myself pulling my boob out of my blouse all the time to feed the baby with so many people around so I decided to go with the bottle. They actually gave me a shot in the hospital that was supposed to dry up my milk and I still leaked for a month!!

Fast forward 2 1/2 years and I decided I was going to breast feed my second. But low and behold my milk didn't come in. After 2 weeks my daughter was on a bottle as a supplement and taking nearly 4 oz. so I gave up trying to breast feed and went full time with the formula.

My granddaughter is a formula baby, too. Well, she was until the age of 10 months when my daughter took her off the bottle and put her on solid food and whole milk in a sippy cup. Sunday she was eating pasta, instead of using her spoon, she decided to try to eat like one of the animals and put her entire face in the bowl!! My daughter figured formula was easier than a breast pump and my granddaughter spends more time with babysitters than she does at home.

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 8:24:26 PM

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So you also think think mother's milk is inferior to formula.
It would also appear that you also wish to conflate the facts with "fear mongering" in an effort bolster your position.
Do you know what else that those "commie hospitals" force you to do?

So you think it's ok to be dishonest.

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 8:29:23 PM

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Thanks for the background, but it is still one group pushing their agenda on others, and they shouldn't. My son was not breastfed. After his birth, my beautiful full breasts deflated like a balloon popped by a pin, lol. Regardless, it was not my choice to breastfeed. Before he was born, the nurse had asked if I was planning on breast feeding and I told her no. I didn't hear anymore about it, but that might have been because I nearly decapitated the idiot nurse who kept trying to convince me to have an epidural and be awake for my c-section (I explained anxiety and panic attacks to her multiple times and she just didn't give up).

I have no issue with women who breast feed. That is their choice and they are welcome to it. I will say that while I do understand what is said about breastfeeding, my son's only allergy is hay-fever (which I also have), and when he was a child, he was sick all of his first two years (prior to being in day care, then all hell broke loose). He developed an ear infection when his molars were coming in, so breastfeeding was not going to have prevented either.

Although I'm past child bearing, if I wasn't and a nurse kept trying to push that idea on me, I would throw her out of my room and then insist that I be discharged with a complaint to the hospital. Last I checked, I was still free to make those choices for myself and my child and I wouldn't appreciate someone pushing their view of it on me.

ETA: Every other couple we knew who had children around the same time and chose to breastfeed, their children were sick with something all the time.

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/25/2013 8:38:23 PM

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I also decided not to breast feed. But, what I see about these laws is interesting. Look who is put out. Not the mother's but the staff. Could it be that its felt nurses dont try hard enough?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57482086-10391704/mayor-bloombergs-infant-formula-plan-aimed-at-promoting-breast-feeding-in-nyc-hospitals/

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/26/2013 4:36:05 AM

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Not to mention that not all mothers are even capable of lactating.

Back on point, Bloomberg is really bothering me. He's giving the conservatives plenty of ammo when they complain about an intrusive nanny state.
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Yup, he's not the only one but does make it easy.

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RE: Bloomberg tells women what to do... - 3/26/2013 4:53:58 AM

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Maybe Bloomie will try and outlaw the double D breast under his "no 32oz" ban?

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