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UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 4:53:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders
(What do you call a male bunny?)


A buck.




DarkSteven -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 5:11:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Agent99

Please tell me, truthfully, did you even LOOK at the link before responding? as NuevaVida, to her credit, clearly did?



Not this time, no. Previously, I looked at the site and noted that VAA was listed there, as well as an East Coast sub who chatted with me on the phone for over a year. In other words, it includes nonfakes as being fakes. By its very nature, it also omits numerous fakes since they are being continuously generated.

I recall reading the criteria for selection and thinking that it was preposterous. As you state, it's based on photos, which gives a free pass to scammers that do not even have photos. I'm not sure how it would handle someone who uses the same pic on their facebook, collarme, fetlife, okcupid, and LinkedIn profiles - would that be flagged as fake?

Finally, there is no universal agreement of "fake". To me, a fake is a scammer with a stolen pic, existing only to entice some poor idiot into paying money. However, other possibilities include

A man with a woman's profile, fishing for wank fodder
Someone married claiming to be single
Someone married claiming that wifey knows and approves when she's never been told
Someone 200 lbs who claims to be 180
Someone who has five year old pics on his profile
Someone new to the community who calls himself a Master
Someone who claims Expert status in something he's never experienced

One of my favorites is some weirdo on Fetlife who claims to be a nationally acclaimed artist, a lecturer at Harvard Medical School, a leader of a commune of some 20 years standing, and an expert disciplinarian. He also had been responsible for personally training slaves in sheiks' harems and had gotten offers of unlimited money from the grateful sheiks. Among other things. Naturally, he knew less about anatomy than I did (I disputed some things he said and he blocked me), and someone who knew Muslim countries got livid at some of his statements.





myotherself -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 5:26:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders


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ORIGINAL: myotherself

At last - I feel lurrrvvved!!

*hugs Athena, although in a totally fake way*


Damnit I forgot to include 'probably a man'. (What do you call a male bunny?)



OH. MY. GOOD. GAWD.

I HAZ A PEEEEEEEEEEEENIS!!




tazzygirl -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 5:42:10 AM)

one of the more "prominent" posters there is a fake in my opinion. Sort of the blind leading the blind over a steep cliff.





thishereboi -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 6:19:30 AM)

Yea I heard that the site was having problems finding members to keep it going. I was wondering how long it would be before people starting advertising it here. Maybe if there was something there for people instead of the bullshit fest that it seems to be, they would draw more people but I can't see the point of it as it stands.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 6:58:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders
VideoAdminAlpha is the big boss of this site in terms of mods and admins. if you think she is not thoroughly familiar with the collarmefakes website you are being a little bit naive. Also, I imagine that she probably has (or once had) another, non-mod username for her own private account. Of course someone isn't likely to list the chief admin's name as a fake, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if her other name is on there.

Actually, it's the VAA name listed as fake, because the photo in the profile "isn't real."




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 7:05:22 AM)

Huh. I stand corrected!




mnottertail -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 7:07:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders
(What do you call a male bunny?)


A buck.


What is the latin (medical term) for buck teeth, smartass?




Agent99 -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 7:14:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders
I've always thought "anyone who looks like that, has to be fake!"


I realize you're joking but you have to realize that what I'm talking about has NOTHING to do with HOW the person looks, nor their age.
It's all about pictorial proof that the profile photos are commonly found on the web (usually in complete porn spreads, but not always).

I think NuevaVida's response shows that she actually understood the question- and her assessment seems to be a logical possible explanation of the stated phenomenon.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
What I'm telling you is that the age range of those particular profiles fall within the age range of female profiles that are in one way or another scams.
Again, if you stop looking for girls barely legal you might not see as many fakes.


I will first, again, point to NuevaVida's answer, which shows she both understood and answered the question well.

Age is not a factor. Neither is anything said in the profile itself. All that matters is the profile picture is found all over the web.
And, the observation that this seems to be reported mostly for the Silicon Valley - more so than elsewhere.

That's the observation we're trying to explain. Since age has nothing to do with it (there are 50-year old female profiles from San Jose also reported), your argument about age doesn't seem to be tenable. Sure, many profiles with stolen pictures may be of younger people - but a technical image search doesn't even look at age, nor what's in the profile itself. It's just an image search.

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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders
VideoAdminAlpha is the big boss of this site in terms of mods and admins. if you think she is not thoroughly familiar with the collarmefakes website you are being a little bit naive.


Your logic that "she's the boss, so she understood the question" seems to fall flat on introspection.

Any reasonable person would have to conclude that AthenaSurrenders' statement is incorrect because no search shows AthenaSurrenders' profile photo reported at the link I had posted.

Her profile "is" found in the section that I'm not even talking about; so it would be pretty clear to a reasonable person that she didn't understand the question, nor did she visit the aforementioned link (most likely), because had she done so (as others clearly did), she would have stood a chance of understanding the actual question.

If you want to then throw in a "reasonable doubt" that she actually did understand and answer the question, then you would be correct: If she had a mythical unnamed shadow profile photo which was, in fact, what she was talking about - then - yes, - you have found a loophole in my logic. However, I was never on an OJ jury, so, I am not one who believes in made-up stories to explain someone's actions.

To prove this point either way, simply point me to the mythical profile PICTURE (not the profile - but the PICTURE purported to be of the profile owner) and I will personally run the search to logically determine whether or not that profile picture has been reported as being stolen from various provable places on the web.

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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders
even if someone pops up on tineye it doesn't prove fakeness - it can be a clue but some legit members here are models and cam girls and do have photos everywhere.


Again, you create a fantasy world to fit your pre-conceived notions - and you won't even LOOK at the logic of what someone else is trying to patiently explain to you because it just doesn't fit your concept of the world.

I realize the forum in question is badly named the "Tineye Section" (most likely because Tineye predates Google reverse image search); but that's as far as Tineye goes since all the proof shown in those threads appears to be from Google and not from Tineye. However, that is a minor point which I only bring up because you don't seem to have clicked on the actual links to look at the actual proof shown.

To directly answer your fantasy case, of course someone CAN be so incredibly popular that everyone else on the planet is posting porn sites full of their picture spreads, and they're so popular that people are even putting their photo on DVD covers, as some of these photos are. But the chances of that are so slim that I have to question your logical thought reasoning process. Please never accept a position on a jury.

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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders
Would you like me to go on the site and get you listed?
Hell, I can do it here:


As an example, I reverse image searched the main profile photo and the human photo of this user:
http://www.collarme.com/photos/255948.jpg & http://www.collarme.com/photos/255948p02.jpg
The latter did not show up on Google image search while the former clearly is found in a hundred different web sites on the net.
For example, the winking picture is often known as the "killer bunny" or "killer rabbit" which shows up on commercial and non-commercial sites galore:
http://www.butterfunk.com/image-185/killer+bunny.htm
http://www.glitter-graphics.com/graphics/432906
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/anime%20bunny

Regarding AthenaSurrenders' comment of "Would you like me to go on the site and get you listed?", again you show that you can't or won't understand. I'm trying to be patient by explaining to that you'd have to show pictorial proof. And, if your pictorial proof was that killer bunny picture, nobody would ever take you seriously.

If you looked further at the said profile and then chose the one actual human picture in that profile, you'd still never be able to show proof. So again, nobody would take you seriously.

I'm sorry to have to say that. I hope I'm not too blunt but I'm trying to be nice in saying that you missed the point because you can't just manufacture the pictorial proof just by saying it. You have to show the proof (as I just did by way of comedic example).

GOING BACK to the original question: I think the logic proposed that the reason many stolen photo profiles are from the San Jose area is simply that someone from the San Jose area is "cleaning up" that one locale. By way of experiment, I'll gladly try that approach on any reasonable zip code if any of you want me to run that experiment for YOUR zip code. That way, we can compare results and learn something new in the process without our pre-conceived notions clouding our judgement.




mnottertail -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 7:17:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders
VideoAdminAlpha is the big boss of this site in terms of mods and admins. if you think she is not thoroughly familiar with the collarmefakes website you are being a little bit naive. Also, I imagine that she probably has (or once had) another, non-mod username for her own private account. Of course someone isn't likely to list the chief admin's name as a fake, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if her other name is on there.

Actually, it's the VAA name listed as fake, because the photo in the profile "isn't real."


Her original profile is on this site still and yes it is her picture, and all pretty much above board and true, but I haven't seen her post on it or with it for a long long time, and she says she doesnt post on it,  so that she doesnt have to moderate herself probably.

And she ain't from San Jose.




tazzygirl -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 7:27:42 AM)

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Of course someone CAN be so incredibly popular that everyone else on the planet is posting porn sites full of their picture spreads, and they're so popular that people are even putting their photo on DVD covers, as some of these photos are. But the chances of that are so slim that I have to question your logical thought reasoning process. Please never accept a position on a jury.


Here is a hint... there are sites that DONT show up on photo engine searches. Does that mean the person isnt a fake?




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 7:29:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Agent99

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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders
I've always thought "anyone who looks like that, has to be fake!"


I realize you're joking but you have to realize that what I'm talking about has NOTHING to do with HOW the person looks, nor their age.
It's all about proof that the profile photos are commonly found on the web.
But it DOES have something to do with WHERE they live - which is surprising - since the proof is the fact the photos are spread out on the net.


....that quote was not me.

As far as the 'never be on a jury' - I think you miss the point of 'reasonable doubt'. There are many fake profiles, whichever definition you use. My only point was that there are some users here who will show up on multiple sites on Tineye because they are all over the internet. Ergo, tineye results alone do not prove a person is 'fake'.

The rest of your argument was incomprehensible to me, so I won't try to address it.

You seem very distressed that people aren't agreeing with you on this. It's not worth getting upset about, since ultimately each person will make their own choice about which profiles they consider to be fake.




tazzygirl -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 7:33:45 AM)

We have many beautiful women on this site. We have many kink models who are stunning. Many of those are also posted on other sites by either themselves or the photographer.

Yes, there are fake photos. But for some vigilante poster who is butt hurt because of being moderated here to run elsewhere to post about the fakes here is laughable... almost as laughable as someone who would allow themselves to be told who is a fake and who isnt.




Agent99 -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 8:05:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Previously, I looked at the site and noted that VAA was listed there


DarkSteven,
You, I trust. Most people here (all but one or two it seems) are working off of incorrect pre-conceieved notions; but at least you're worth the effort because I believe you to be intelligent and logical (by your very words in the forum).

In the case of VAA, it can't be any clearer that she wholly misunderstood the question - and didn't even bother to click on the link - for the same reason that you didn't bother initially - which is that both of you had a pre-conceieved notion about the site (not the link - but the site) in question.

VAA's profile picture is clearly not reported in the section I linked to
. So, anyone who says so is clearly and provably wrong.
The observation that both you and she (and others) claim otherwise - simply means that my question is not being understood.
So that's my fault for not making the question clear.

It's frustratingly hard to write responses when people don't seem understand the question - and - when they have pre-conceieved notions which are clearly and easily provably wrong.

Luckily, one or two people DID understand the question - so - I think - we have a logical answer to the question by now, which is merely that a small number of users in a particular area must be 'cleaning up' their area.

If that's true, that the prevalence of San Jose profiles with stolen CM profile pictures is simply an artifact of that process, then, the logical hypothesis would be that we would have found a similar situation had we looked within five miles of any culturally and demographically similar zip code.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 8:07:03 AM)



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ORIGINAL: Agent99
I'm trying to be patient by explaining to that you'd have to show pictorial proof.

No. One wouldn't. I got into it with the co-founder of CMFakes on Fetlife a year or so back, because people I knew in real life were listed as fake. She apologized, and said that anyone could post a name, and the admins encouraged specific criteria but did not require it. I then offered to start the site CollarMeFakesFakes.com. Several people on the thread thought that was a good idea, but I never went through with it.




DarkSteven -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 8:25:02 AM)

VAA IS listed on the collarmefakes site. Link

The easiest way to check is to Google "collarmefakes <username>".




RedMagic1 -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 8:32:20 AM)

Thanks DS. I really didn't want to go back there to check.

Agent99, maybe you could calm down a bit? There really might be people posting on this thread who know what they are talking about.




peppermint -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 9:15:38 AM)

There are basically 3 people who have done a lot of posting on that site.  Recently it's just one guy and he's from San Jose so he most likely looks at more profiles from San Jose than in other cities.  Seems logical that people would search in their own area. 

I did a little reading on the site.  Heck, the owner of the site hadn't been there for a year and then complained that no one was using his site.   How silly. 




mnottertail -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 9:59:12 AM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqWt49o7R-k

Time to dust the clown.




LadyPact -> RE: Why would more kinky CM profiles be of the wrong photos in San Jose than elsewhere? (4/6/2013 10:17:41 AM)

I think peppermint beat Me to it.

Had the same person with the hard on for reporting "fakes" had been from NYC, you'd have had a lopsided sample from that area. People care about what they feel affects them. If the profiles weren't local, it probably wouldn't have mattered as much.

For what it's worth, I didn't click the link. I've seen the site before and I mostly just laughed at it.




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