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Zonie63 -> Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 4:52:28 AM)

Apparently, stories like this are becoming more common.

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(CNN) -- Eleven years ago, Brenda Heist dropped off her young kids at school -- and never returned. Not to pick them up later, and not to their Pennsylvania home. The family thought she was dead. That something terrible had happened to her. What else could explain the sudden disappearance of a woman her daughter, then 8, later described as a "great" mom?

But then last week, after more than a decade, Heist turned up in Florida, revealing to police that she hadn't been kidnapped or killed. She had, she said, been stressed.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/04/opinion/drexler-mothers-leaving/index.html?

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Though there are no hard numbers, reports would seem to indicate that the number of moms who actually do run away -- or at least walk away -- is increasing. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the number of single fathers has been rising steadily, from more than 600,000 in 1982 to more than 2 million in 2011. Anecdotally, too, we're hearing more from mothers who leave their children due to choice or circumstance. There's Rahna Reiko Rizzuto, who wrote in an essay for Salon.com that she realized, when her sons were 3 and 5 that she didn't want to be a full-time mother anymore. There are even support groups now for women who decide to leave their children.

What is happening?

It's hard to say, but our increasingly me-first world might have something to do with it. According to a study published in the journal Social Psychology and Personality Science, clinical narcissism --defined by heightened feelings of entitlement, decreased morality and a dog-eat-dog mentality -- has increased by 30% over the past 20 years. Two out of every three people now measure high for the disorder.

In her book "The Narcissism Epidemic," Jean Twenge argues that we live in a culture that not only tolerates, but also encourages, "being true to ourselves" and "never compromising." This can extend to parenthood, as more and more mothers and fathers resist the notion that parenthood is necessarily life changing -- and perhaps not all it's cracked up to be.


Is the cause of this due to heightened feelings of entitlement, decreased morality, and a dog-eat-dog mentality, as the article states? Is there an epidemic of narcissism in our culture?

The article also suggests a societal double-standard in that mothers who abandon their children are judged more harshly than fathers who do the same, although studies indicate that children raised in single-father homes fare as well as those in single mother homes:

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Mothers who abandon their children tend to be judged far more harshly by society, and by their children, than fathers who do the same -- though not because of outcome. According to various studies, including a 1994 report in the Journal of Family Issues, children raised in single-father homes as a whole fare as well as those in single-mother homes. From an emotional standpoint, there are no studies to show that children of absentee mothers are angrier than those of absentee fathers. But anecdotally, this seems to be the case.






Rule -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 5:35:44 AM)

I think that Heist was ill.




TheHeretic -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 6:07:01 AM)

Better than murdering them, and giving the cops some bullshit story.




Zonie63 -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 6:08:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

I think that Heist was ill.


Yes, I would agree.




Zonie63 -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 6:15:48 AM)

I was reading the review of The Narcissism Epidemic, the book referenced in the OP:

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Narcissism—an inflated view of the self—is everywhere. Public figures say it’s what makes them stray from their wives. Parents teach it by dressing children in T-shirts that say "Princess." Teenagers and young adults hone it on Facebook, and celebrity newsmakers have elevated it to an art form. And it’s what’s making people depressed, lonely, and buried under piles of debt.


I remember they used to refer to the Baby Boomers as the "Me Generation," but it seems to have intensified with the generations which have come after. I've come across websites, blogs, Facebook pages where some people come off as if they're the center of the universe. "It's all about me."




bossman777 -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 6:38:50 AM)

This focus on hedonism, and one's own pleasure, is also what leads to a decline in birth rates in developed nations. Raising kids is hard work, it requires putting someone else first, and it seriously limits your freedom. Personally, I am up for it, as the long term reward is worth it to me. I used to tell my women, 'you just pop the baby out and I will take over from there.' I really like being dad, and quite frankly, I don't like the interference from women. I like this trend.




MasterCaneman -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 9:25:54 AM)

Well, I'm just going to throw in my 2 cents worth on this one. While a photo is a terrible diagnostic tool, I did notice that both pictures of her seemed (to me) like the classic 'deer in the headlights'. I think the woman was ill myself, and at some point, the stress of everyday life just reached that point where she snapped and reverted to 'fight or flight'. Not justifying what she did, but at the very least, she didn't hurt her children physically. Mentally and emotionally, yes, but there's probably a lot more to that story than is being told.




hlen5 -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 9:42:25 AM)

I wonder if there are actually more walk-away parents now or it's just more publicized? Hearing about abandoning fathers is nothing new. Maybe in earlier times, mothers abandoning their kids was so scandalous it was kept under wraps?




absolutchocolat -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 9:43:58 AM)

Hopefully, they will go to a family that loves and cares for them. I agree, better this than finding them drowned in the tub.




slvemike4u -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 10:07:40 AM)

My ex was a "walk away " ?
I just thought she was a bitch......live and learn [:)]

Seriously though,a previous poster mentioned hedonism and the hard work it takes to raise children....let me add sacrifice too.
Some don't have it in them to sacrifice their pleasure needs to the the actual needs of children....not sure what generational nick my ex belonged to but I do know she came first in her head and her child wasn't even a distant second(those slots would have been reserved for her bar buddies)




hlen5 -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 10:13:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

My ex was a "walk away " ?
I just thought she was a bitch......live and learn [:)]

Seriously though,a previous poster mentioned hedonism and the hard work it takes to raise children....let me add sacrifice too.
Some don't have it in them to sacrifice their pleasure needs to the the actual needs of children....not sure what generational nick my ex belonged to but I do know she came first in her head and her child wasn't even a distant second(those slots would have been reserved for her bar buddies)


Do you think it was more hedonism or alcoholism that she was slave to?




slvemike4u -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 10:20:08 AM)

Definite hedonism....a stated fear of hers where having a second baby was the possible ramifications to her figure .
Her mother was a "large" woman and my ex wasn't going to emulate the mother......who ,not coincidentally,had two children...my susan being the second.

Of course if we had had this one child only conversation prior to marriage I would never have said the magic words.....lol.

alcoholism was/is a secondary issue...she is definitely one of the many million "functioning alcoholics" in our society.

The further away I get from this marriage the more I question my own sanity as a young, testosterone fueled,man.....I was a fucking functional idiot.....lol




hlen5 -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 10:52:00 AM)

But if you hadn't married her you wouldn't have the son you are button-popping proud of now. Things sometimes even out[:)]........




slvemike4u -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 11:04:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: hlen5

But if you hadn't married her you wouldn't have the son you are button-popping proud of now. Things sometimes even out[:)]........

True......and next June I will walk the first of two nieces down the aisle.
My ex didn't want more children,but life gave me 2 nieces and 4 nephews to be a father type role model to.



My life turned out fine....I don't think my ex found that sort of satisfaction sitting on a bar stool [:)]




tj444 -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 11:23:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

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ORIGINAL: Rule

I think that Heist was ill.


Yes, I would agree.

I think so also..

but there are some women that just arent the mommy type.. I am one, (yes, I admit that), in the respect that I can not change a diaper, or know how to feed a baby or know what makes em cry & i really dont want to learn that stuff.. I could be a mommy but only the kind with a good British nanny and governess.. a live-in boyfriend that would share the remaining parenting functions with me would be nice too, of course...

those are my conditions fer all ya single dudes out there.. [:D] I would not consider kids unless i did have the hired help as I dont want to go crazy! So maybe the runaway mom thing is just that they are too overwhelmed and cant handle it anymore...

I admire men that are single dads.. it shows how dedicated to their kids they are (which both parents should ideally be).. to me that rates higher than a guy having loads of money/high income..




Lucylastic -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 12:04:54 PM)

In no specific order of importance
1 Lack of family support.whether from husband, parents siblings,
2. Selfishness of either parent
3. Lack of aftercare after birthing
4. Changes to the body, Emotional and or physical.
5. Working outside the home and running a family, economic or social issues
6. Stress,
7. Confliction of the "right" way to be a mother.
8. Immaturity of father or mother or both. violence, addiction, sleeping around etc
9. Illness
10. Expectations, from others, herself, not matching the reality.

usually there is more than one issue behind the "reasons"
My stepdaughter walked out on her kids, when the youngest was two, over the years she clicked all of those reasons. Her hubby beat her, he was injured at work....starting getting addicted to pain killers, and taking it out on her.Luckily he got hiimself cleaned up and got remarried, but both of them were fucked up . She had no family support until it was all over because of location. My Step grandkids have sworn they will never have kids.

Im sure Ive missed some other reasons,but they are the ones Ive observed in women I know who have left their children over the last 30 odd years





UllrsIshtar -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 12:51:20 PM)

I'm a "walk-away" mother.

I got pregnant too young (while having IUD birth-control) and didn't want kids at the time, I would have aborted if it wasn't for the fact that my ex was 100% anti-abortion. So he agreed to take a 100% responsibility for the child if I'd cary to term for him. During my pregnancy with the hormones flaring up, he convinced me to stay after the birth, and give it a chance with him and the baby. I breastfed for nearly a year, but shortly after stopping, when my hormones settled down decided it wasn't working (partly due to increasing fights with the ex) and left.

I can say that the reason I didn't want to be a mother is a 100% that I didn't want to be tied down to a bad relationship, be a single mother with all that comes with that, wasn't ready to give up my freedom to do what I wanted when I wanted.




TricklessMagic -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 1:18:03 PM)

In our society, the U.S. and many other nations I'm sure. Being a parent is central to our ultimate identity. But that's not everyone. It's just what we are raised to believe. I want kids, I want to be a parent and patriarch (and I mean legit patriarch, not some jerk that demands recognition). My mom did not want kids, my Dad did. It was a hell of a thing at 26 to learn that your parents who have been married for over thirty years [normally happy] did not want kids, at least my mother. I wasn't an accident as my dad told me, nor my mother. I was lots of hard work (I hope they enjoyed it at least, eh heh) and two years of trying. I was one of the few kids in my school who was an only child (mom had her tubes tied after I was born) and whose parents were in their thirties when i was born. That's more the norm now but nearly thirty years ago it was very new I think. My mother who didn't want a kid, a jew (yes I grew up with a jewish mother, I'm all for gays adopting so long as it is not two jewish women, that's just cruel and unusual punishment for a child) sure as hell made me think she wanted a kid. I got put through all the usual guilt and blame a jewish mother puts on her children.

So maybe my mom found she enjoyed having a kid or she just got with the program. I don't know, she's always struck me as a miserable bitch and she knows she's the reason why i won't marry a jewish woman. That's not everyone.

For someone to state they do not want kids is strange to a lot of people ( I hesitate to say most), and taking that stance can cause a lot of pressure and rejection from friends and family, and an overall feeling of alienation from society. After all society is built at this time to encourage families and procreation it would seem, a fact some find perverse and disturbing, to me it just makes sense. A certain degree of self-sacrifice is necessary for a society to grow and endure. Otherwise you risk a breakdown of society. Imagine what would happen if no one feared damnation for suicide, murder, rape, stealing? Imagine if people gave into base desires and hunger, a pure operation of the reptilian part of the brain. Having kids prevents that I think. When you have a kid you have to take care of them and be responsible for them, that means you can't just do as you please, at least you're not suppose to (but a lot of people do it unfortunately).

I will say the lady was ill and better the child was left at school where proper professionals could work to find adequate housing for the child, then the lady keep living with her demons and possibly hurting the child and herself.

Not everyone is meant to participate in society, evolution, and liberty. Yes I believe in evolution. And evolution at its core means "survival of the fittest." Not everyone is meant to survive in a sense of genetics. These people who don't want children or are abandoning children may have something different in them, psychologically (physiologically), than the rest of us who do want kids and wish to raise a family. We have to be sensitive to that and not put so much pressure on people to have children unless they are fit to have children. Fit financially, physically, and psychologically. We should prize "fit" procreation over sheer procreation.

To procreate should mean achieving a degree of financial, physical, and psychological stability. Not merely the spreading of legs and an ejaculation. But instead we prize the track of marriage and children over achievement hoping somwhere along the way what is needed, is achieved. Earning 60+k a year I barely feel ready to financially raise a child with another professional earning 30+k a year, but then I see so many worthless scum on food stamps (getting free handouts for being worthless while barley working 35 hours a week) and I realize without folks like me having kids, we're all screwed.

We also need to allow for the fact that some people are weak and defective when it comes to kids and not judge them too harshly. Would you judge a mentally handicapped child harshly, no you wouldn't. And we must think of these people in these terms. What they are doing isn't their fault necessarily, and we should work to help them. The lady probably stayed away because of the guilt and shame she felt from abandoning her child. Better to miss out on only a couple years of a child's life and to then come back and be a fit parent (granted one being observed and helped by authorities and mental health professionals). People make mistakes, mistakes shouldn't always mean complete loss.




Lucylastic -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 1:19:41 PM)

I got preg at 18 while on the pill, I knew full well I was nowhere near ready to have the responsibility of children, the father denied it was his..I couldnt tell my parents, ..I "ran away pregnant" , worked three jobs, preparing myself for a scary future, only to miscarry him at five months. After I miscarried, my life fell to pieces in even more horrible ways
I felt guilty for years that because I didnt "want" to be a mother, everything that happened to me was because of that lack of maternal instinct.
I have only walked in my shoes, I wont make a judgement for anyone else.




mnottertail -> RE: Why there are more walk-away moms (5/6/2013 1:29:22 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbD5dShemps

A commentary on the age.




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