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Anyone remember when the GOP was making an ass out of itself impeaching Clinton, and then several of the GOP firebrands, including Bob Barr and Henry Hyde

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ORIGINAL: erieangel

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Anyone remember when the GOP was making an ass out of itself impeaching Clinton, and then several of the GOP firebrands, including Bob Barr and Henry Hyde

Sanford was with them...In Congress at the time (he just won his old job back). Sanford voted to impeach Clinton over Clinton's affair with Monica.

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Bill Clinton, 42nd President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice, on December 19, 1998. Two other impeachment articles, a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power, failed in the House. The charges arose from the Lewinsky scandal and the Paula Jones lawsuit.
He was acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999. Requiring a two-thirds majority for a conviction, only 50 senators (out of 100) voted guilty on the obstruction charge and 45 on the perjury charge. The Senate was 17 votes short of removing Clinton from office.[1]

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ORIGINAL: njlauren

Politicians being dirty and getting re-elected is not exactly unknown, and it transcends the political spectrum, people like Adam Clayton Powell come to mind, the guy who was the Mayor of Union City who was in jail for corruption and re-elected, and the list goes on. And yeah, people elect corrupt politicians and so forth, it happens.

I think the difference here is that the GOP has held itself up as the party of family values and morality, and nowhere do you have more of this holier then thou attitude then in places like South Carolina, where they for example wholeheartedly banned any kind of rights for same sex couples, refuse any kind of legal protection for gays, have no problem having people fired for being outed as gay or different in other ways, leather people in that state can have kids taken away simply because someone outed them as kinky, yet they will elect politicians like Sanford that made a joke out of family values,and this happened time and again. Newt Gingrich, 3 times married guy, cheated on two wives, dumped one being treated for cancer, and was a serious candidate for president, and the list goes on.

Marion Barry was scummy, but he never claimed to be an angel. Bill Clinton certainly was not a moral paragon, but I never heard him waving Bibles in people's faces or promoting the Bible as secular law, the way the GOP and its unholy alliance with the bible thumpers want to. When you go around holier then thou, call gays animals who are lower than pedophiles or people into animals, when they decry 'loose sexuality", when they decry sex education or claim themselves "real, moral americans" while scoffing at the 'people in the liberal parts, who are nothing more than deviants", and then vote for politicians that have feet of lead, it is outright hypocrisy, to say the least. Anyone remember when the GOP was making an ass out of itself impeaching Clinton, and then several of the GOP firebrands, including Bob Barr and Henry Hyde, were found out to be serial cheaters and both had bastard children?

With corrupt politicians, there was a statement about that talking about the popularity of Jimmy Walker, a mayor of NYC that was forced out of office by Tammany Hall corruption. They said they didn't mind him taking a dollar, because he let them have a nickel. Often with the corrupt politicians people feel they got something out of them, right or wrong, but people knew they were corrupt, but the politicians in question never really hid who they were either. And it is kind of like people who defend the Catholic Church with the priestly abuse cover up, their basic defense is 'others have done it, why do you pick on the church?" and the answer is the church holds itself up as moral arbiter, spends a lot of time trying to force its morality on everyone else, not just Catholics, and when you claim to be a moral arbiter and have feet of lead,it is much, much worse. Marion Barry and similar politicians never claimed that, they were corrupt, people knew it, and didn't care..but when you go around creating literally "Hezbollah" aka party of God, and you act like Sanford did and they elect him, it says their morality is all a giant smokescreen, that they apply it where they want to and that is it.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Subrob, considering the current crop of candidates from both parties, the country would be better off electing the peanuts gang to congress and snoopy and woodstock as president and vp.

I have actually toyed with the idea of running my timber wolf/husky dog princess in the next democrat primary for congress in this district.

My very conservative neighbor thought so much of the idea, that he is consider running his prize winning appaloosa stud in the Republican primary. After all the stallion is a ladies man and an award winning athlete.

Personally I think the horse is corrupt, I have seen him easily bribed with apple chunks.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Lie, cheat on your spouse, steal from the state. As long as you have an (R) after your name, the SC voters will love you.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/07/ex-south-carolina-gov-mark-sanford-wins-old-house-seat-back-after-scandal/

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ORIGINAL: erieangel

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Anyone remember when the GOP was making an ass out of itself impeaching Clinton, and then several of the GOP firebrands, including Bob Barr and Henry Hyde

Sanford was with them...In Congress at the time (he just won his old job back). Sanford voted to impeach Clinton over Clinton's affair with Monica.

I don't remember Clinton ever being accused of spending taxpayer money in the pursuit of his affair.

Plus Clinton's marriage is still intact, despite his affair. Sanford's affair and lies ruined his marriage and tomorrow Sanford goes to court on charges of trespass.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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Marion Barry was scummy, but he never claimed to be an angel. Bill Clinton certainly was not a moral paragon, but I never heard him waving Bibles in people's faces or promoting the Bible as secular law, the way the GOP and its unholy alliance with the bible thumpers want to. When you go around holier then thou, call gays animals who are lower than pedophiles or people into animals, when they decry 'loose sexuality", when they decry sex education or claim themselves "real, moral americans" while scoffing at the 'people in the liberal parts, who are nothing more than deviants", and then vote for politicians that have feet of lead, it is outright hypocrisy, to say the least. Anyone remember when the GOP was making an ass out of itself impeaching Clinton, and then several of the GOP firebrands, including Bob Barr and Henry Hyde, were found out to be serial cheaters and both had bastard children?

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Another well written and thoughtful post from njlauren.

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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Marion Barry was scummy, but he never claimed to be an angel. Bill Clinton certainly was not a moral paragon, but I never heard him waving Bibles in people's faces or promoting the Bible as secular law, the way the GOP and its unholy alliance with the bible thumpers want to. When you go around holier then thou, call gays animals who are lower than pedophiles or people into animals, when they decry 'loose sexuality", when they decry sex education or claim themselves "real, moral americans" while scoffing at the 'people in the liberal parts, who are nothing more than deviants", and then vote for politicians that have feet of lead, it is outright hypocrisy, to say the least. Anyone remember when the GOP was making an ass out of itself impeaching Clinton, and then several of the GOP firebrands, including Bob Barr and Henry Hyde, were found out to be serial cheaters and both had bastard children?

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Another well written and thoughtful post from njlauren.

Yes, agreed on the above.

When you are the so-called party of family values it is a level of hypocrisy that the Democrats can't quite match. It is not part of the Democratic party's political platform to go on and on about family values. So if I vote for a Democrat who is divorced, or had an affair, etc., etc., it doesn't really matter because most Democrats believe those things are private issues to be sorted out between the parties involved. Whereas conservatives constantly want to define for other people what the rules are. If one feels they have the right to legislate private morality (including things like birth control) then shouldn't they be following that private morality themselves? I don't see a lot of Democratic voters or Democratic politicians pushing for policies that prevent people from exercising personal freedoms in their private lives.

At the end of the day, this shows conservative voters don't give a flying f*** about private morality. Then why do the Republicans keep trying to legislate private morality for the rest of us? If they can leave Sanford alone then leave the rest of us the f*** alone, too.

Personally, I don't care what people do in the private sphere of their lives. And I don't think politics should be concerned about it either. We really need to be more European about some of this stuff.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

didnt the repubs campaign on jobs????
Where are they????
Oh right, they are making work for the government holding hearings and conspiracy theories, blocking anything the pres/congress puts out and planning on blocking obama care for the 40th time

ahem

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: njlauren

Politicians being dirty and getting re-elected is not exactly unknown, and it transcends the political spectrum, people like Adam Clayton Powell come to mind, the guy who was the Mayor of Union City who was in jail for corruption and re-elected, and the list goes on. And yeah, people elect corrupt politicians and so forth, it happens.

I think the difference here is that the GOP has held itself up as the party of family values and morality, and nowhere do you have more of this holier then thou attitude then in places like South Carolina, where they for example wholeheartedly banned any kind of rights for same sex couples, refuse any kind of legal protection for gays, have no problem having people fired for being outed as gay or different in other ways, leather people in that state can have kids taken away simply because someone outed them as kinky, yet they will elect politicians like Sanford that made a joke out of family values,and this happened time and again. Newt Gingrich, 3 times married guy, cheated on two wives, dumped one being treated for cancer, and was a serious candidate for president, and the list goes on.

Marion Barry was scummy, but he never claimed to be an angel. Bill Clinton certainly was not a moral paragon, but I never heard him waving Bibles in people's faces or promoting the Bible as secular law, the way the GOP and its unholy alliance with the bible thumpers want to. When you go around holier then thou, call gays animals who are lower than pedophiles or people into animals, when they decry 'loose sexuality", when they decry sex education or claim themselves "real, moral americans" while scoffing at the 'people in the liberal parts, who are nothing more than deviants", and then vote for politicians that have feet of lead, it is outright hypocrisy, to say the least. Anyone remember when the GOP was making an ass out of itself impeaching Clinton, and then several of the GOP firebrands, including Bob Barr and Henry Hyde, were found out to be serial cheaters and both had bastard children?

With corrupt politicians, there was a statement about that talking about the popularity of Jimmy Walker, a mayor of NYC that was forced out of office by Tammany Hall corruption. They said they didn't mind him taking a dollar, because he let them have a nickel. Often with the corrupt politicians people feel they got something out of them, right or wrong, but people knew they were corrupt, but the politicians in question never really hid who they were either. And it is kind of like people who defend the Catholic Church with the priestly abuse cover up, their basic defense is 'others have done it, why do you pick on the church?" and the answer is the church holds itself up as moral arbiter, spends a lot of time trying to force its morality on everyone else, not just Catholics, and when you claim to be a moral arbiter and have feet of lead,it is much, much worse. Marion Barry and similar politicians never claimed that, they were corrupt, people knew it, and didn't care..but when you go around creating literally "Hezbollah" aka party of God, and you act like Sanford did and they elect him, it says their morality is all a giant smokescreen, that they apply it where they want to and that is it.

I just love how people can come up with excuses on why it's ok for one guy to be a pig but not another. I would make a nice change to see someone judged by their actions on this board instead of the letter that follows their name.

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ORIGINAL: erieangel

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Anyone remember when the GOP was making an ass out of itself impeaching Clinton, and then several of the GOP firebrands, including Bob Barr and Henry Hyde

Sanford was with them...In Congress at the time (he just won his old job back). Sanford voted to impeach Clinton over Clinton's affair with Monica.

You might want to update the Wiki, then:

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Bill Clinton, 42nd President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice, on December 19, 1998. Two other impeachment articles, a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power, failed in the House. The charges arose from the Lewinsky scandal and the Paula Jones lawsuit.
He was acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999. Requiring a two-thirds majority for a conviction, only 50 senators (out of 100) voted guilty on the obstruction charge and 45 on the perjury charge. The Senate was 17 votes short of removing Clinton from office.[1]

Perjury, Obstruction of justice do not equal "affair with Monica." Neither do the articles of impeachment (that didn't pass) for perjury and abuse of power.

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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Marion Barry was scummy, but he never claimed to be an angel. Bill Clinton certainly was not a moral paragon, but I never heard him waving Bibles in people's faces or promoting the Bible as secular law, the way the GOP and its unholy alliance with the bible thumpers want to. When you go around holier then thou, call gays animals who are lower than pedophiles or people into animals, when they decry 'loose sexuality", when they decry sex education or claim themselves "real, moral americans" while scoffing at the 'people in the liberal parts, who are nothing more than deviants", and then vote for politicians that have feet of lead, it is outright hypocrisy, to say the least. Anyone remember when the GOP was making an ass out of itself impeaching Clinton, and then several of the GOP firebrands, including Bob Barr and Henry Hyde, were found out to be serial cheaters and both had bastard children?

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Another well written and thoughtful post from njlauren.

Yes, agreed on the above.

When you are the so-called party of family values it is a level of hypocrisy that the Democrats can't quite match. It is not part of the Democratic party's political platform to go on and on about family values. So if I vote for a Democrat who is divorced, or had an affair, etc., etc., it doesn't really matter because most Democrats believe those things are private issues to be sorted out between the parties involved. Whereas conservatives constantly want to define for other people what the rules are. If one feels they have the right to legislate private morality (including things like birth control) then shouldn't they be following that private morality themselves? I don't see a lot of Democratic voters or Democratic politicians pushing for policies that prevent people from exercising personal freedoms in their private lives.

At the end of the day, this shows conservative voters don't give a flying f*** about private morality. Then why do the Republicans keep trying to legislate private morality for the rest of us? If they can leave Sanford alone then leave the rest of us the f*** alone, too.

Personally, I don't care what people do in the private sphere of their lives. And I don't think politics should be concerned about it either. We really need to be more European about some of this stuff.

The Dem platform all about the Blue Collar working man... Where the fuck are the jobs, and why isn't there any outrage from the left?

I guess focusing on that three letter word J.O.B.S. like a laser is good enough, but heaven forbid a republican get a little on the side.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

didnt the repubs campaign on jobs????
Where are they????
Oh right, they are making work for the government holding hearings and conspiracy theories, blocking anything the pres/congress puts out and planning on blocking obama care for the 40th time

ahem

I really think the President has a larger bully pulpit than the running the lesser 1/2 of Congress. Not to mention he had a fucking supermajority, and fucked everyone with his ACA legislation... But none of that matters to a Canada squatting Brit... Right?

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ORIGINAL: njlauren

He doesn't have a super majority, the GOP holds the house, which controls the finance side of the government, and in the Senate he doesn't have 60 votes needed to break a filibuster, so you can't claim he has a supermajority when the GOP can hang up almost any vote. His bully pulpit is great but you have a GOP whose only reason for existence is to try and make sure Obama gets nothing passed..and if you want to see something, people know it, approval of GOP congress people is about 18%....