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The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/10/2013 7:11:01 PM

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It is the first time a former head of state had been found guilty of genocide by a court in his or her own country.

The former dictator of Guatemala was just found guilty of crimes against humanity and genocide for his criminal actions against the Maya people in Guatamala while acting as CIA installed puppet and neo-conservatine champion and is sentenced to 80 years imprisonment.

Recall this great criminal participated in not one but several CIA coups to depose the democratically elected government of Guatemala and militarily install CIA and corporate puppet military juntas.

A brief and simplistic history of this criminal in English is located here - Efraín Ríos Montt

RE: The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/11/2013 8:07:54 AM

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It is the first time a former head of state had been found guilty of genocide by a court in his or her own country.

The former dictator of Guatemala was just found guilty of crimes against humanity and genocide for his criminal actions against the Maya people in Guatamala while acting as CIA installed puppet and neo-conservatine champion and is sentenced to 80 years imprisonment.

Recall this great criminal participated in not one but several CIA coups to depose the democratically elected government of Guatemala and militarily install CIA and corporate puppet military juntas.

A brief and simplistic history of this criminal in English is located here - Efraín Ríos Montt

The crimes against the Mayan people were horrendous and inexcusable.

Guatemala has a long history of military coups and dictators influenced no doubt by large landowners such as the United Fruit Company, and dating back to 1898. HISTORY

Jacobo Árbenz Guzmán was part of a military junta who deposed a previous military dictator in 1944 and called Guatemala's first free elections. Arbenz later became president through an apparently orderly election in 1951, and set about establishing land reforms and education to benefit the indigenous people. Unfortunately, Arbenz was deposed by a CIA instigated coup in 1953.

In the early 1960s Guatemala was ruled by an anti-Castro regime that assisted the US in the Bay of Pigs debacle. A most uncivil war broke out between leftest insurgents and right wing paramilitary groups (death squads) The latter were supported and trained on the ground by US Military advisers.

"The 1970s saw the birth of two new guerrilla organizations, The Guerrilla Army of the Poor (EGP) and the Organization of the People in Arms (ORPA), who began and intensified by the end of the seventies, guerrilla attacks that included urban and rural guerrilla warfare, mainly against the military and some of the civilian supporters of the army. In 1979, the U.S. president, Jimmy Carter, ordered a ban on all military aid to the Guatemalan Army because of the widespread and systematic abuse of human rights."

After a disasterous event in 1980, a military coup established yet another junta and General Rios Montt became "president" in 1982. US President Reagan circumvented President Carter's ban on aid to the Guatemalan Army much as he did in Nicaragua. the war between left and right continued until 1996. Montt was president for about four years until 1986. Guatemala was a killing ground for more than thirty years. I won't deny that Montt contributed much to the genocide of the Maya. Nor will I deny the culpability of the United States for which President Clinton apologised in 1999. We were involved as we have been in so many other areas of the world. We should own up to our history. But the Guatemalian elite should not think to shift the great burden of blame and shame to the US as a "neo conservative" venture. They ought to first examine their own history of dictatorships and military coups

I took the trouble to post this beause it struck me that no one else had responded to YN. Why is that, I wonder?

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RE: The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/11/2013 12:30:00 PM

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The history in fact goes back further than 1898.

First the description of how the Maya were organized is needed, for unlike the Aztec or the Inca, which were kingdoms or empires, the Maya were a number of sovereign city states similar to those of the Greeks in many respects, and referring to these as "tribes" is an understatement, these were independent nations, it would be akin to naming the Spartans, Athenians or Macedonians as "tribes" of Greece. (or Spaniards, English, Irish and Norwegians as "tribes" of Europeans.)

And the Maya states covered considerably more territory then just Guatemala -

Prior to the European invasions, the Aztecs and their antecedents fought many wars, but the Mexicans could not expand into the Mayan lands.

When all revolted against the Spaniards and cast them out, the region was at first divided into various provinces under republics, which quickly fell apart. The remaining Europeans acted like those in North America did after their revolt against the English, and attempted to repress the Indians, take their lands, and relegate them to second class people without civil rights. However, in the case of the Maya, they were not dealing with bands of hunter-gatherers, but with Indians belonging to large and sophisticated states, and a century of bitter warfare ensued, and which still fitfully continues in Belize, Guatemala and Mexico today.

Thus for a long period of time the Maya states were independent or fighting for their independence, a thing offensive to Europeans and to the Yankees.

As a result of the Casta Wars Mexico, with the aid of the English and the United States, seized the Yucatan and also subjugated the Maya in southern Mexico. The English were rewarded with the Maya territory now called Belize.

Caste War of Yucatán

After that war the English had their British Honduras (Belize) of the Maya, many of whose homeland was there, while the Mexicans had the Mayan lands in Southern Mexico and the Yucatan. The Yankees then started their corporate and military imperialism, the times of "banana republics."

The Yankee corporate and CIA puppet Montt's conduct, (and that of the local European elites, along with the Yankee governments and corporations) was the continuation of this five century battle.

And these wars are not fully over yet, at some point the English will face serious trouble in Belize, and the Mexicans often face armed hostility in their Maya conquests in southern Mexico and on the Yucatan peninsula..

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RE: The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/11/2013 2:33:02 PM

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And these wars are not fully over yet, at some point the English will face serious trouble in Belize, and the Mexicans often face armed hostility in their Maya conquests in southern Mexico and on the Yucatan peninsula..

Most informative and very interesting. Thank you. If Belize gained its independence from the UK in 1981 why should the English face serious trouble there?

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As a result of the Casta Wars Mexico, with the aid of the English and the United States, seized the Yucatan and also subjugated the Maya in southern Mexico. The English were rewarded with the Maya territory now called Belize.

After that war the English had their British Honduras (Belize) of the Maya, many of whose homeland was there, while the Mexicans had the Mayan lands in Southern Mexico and the Yucatan. The Yankees then started their corporate and military imperialism, the times of "banana republics."

The Yankee corporate and CIA puppet Montt's conduct, (and that of the local European elites, along with the Yankee governments and corporations) was the continuation of this five century battle.

You make a big leap from the war between the Maya and the Mexicans to then implicate Yankee imperialism and the CIA, ignoring all of the 'tangential' issues of the threat America felt from a rising Soviet hegemony in this Hemisphere. I didn't see anything in the article of the Caste War that would justify the accusation against the US.

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RE: The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/11/2013 3:48:58 PM

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Between the Mexican drug cartel's invasion, the security failings of the UK's military locally, corruption by the government, the massive money laundering banking system run by English, anti-colonial political parties, and both the native Maya's desire to see their sovereignty restored and the views of other Maya especially in Guatemala, it will be an interesting ride for the people involved.

It is at the point where Canada is providing "military assistance" and "advisers" to the government (Heaven help the both of them.)

And there is supposed to be a UN ordered series of votes and decisions on what status Belize and parts of Belize will have.

While the drug cartels are politically promiscuous, they are also mainly Mexican, and Mexicans are not necessarily popular in the rest of Central America for the historical reasons you might have noticed, and their drug criminals will not improve the local opinions.

As the for the English, inspecting the Tory Lord Ashcroft and his conduct will demonstrate who the English ruling class are and what they represent in Belize. And no matter what eventually happens, they will be eventually removed from any power.

'Lord Ashcroft of Belize' facing eviction as country turns on him

As for the local people, they are a mix of Maya; Maya-Europe and Carrib-European mestizos; and the descendants of African slaves who have settled, intermarried and have their own distinct culture; rounded out with various Creoles who are often the middle class. None of these groups are enamored with either any sort of European rule or domination, nor are they fans of Mexico, and most who are political and not lumpenbourgeoisie are quite leftist in nature.

My own opinion is that the Mexican and other drug gangsters will get in a political league with the English bank criminals who launder their money; in order to control the place and the resulting narco-state and it's internal and external conduct will eventually receive international attention. In any case the Latin Americas will generally favor the leftist locals over the right-wing ruling class English or the drug criminals from Mexico.

Something is certain to happen, at least if external forces do not "adjust" matters, and it likely will not be a nice thing to watch.

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RE: The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/11/2013 8:03:58 PM

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My own opinion is that the Mexican and other drug gangsters will get in a political league with the English bank criminals who launder their money; in order to control the place and the resulting narco-state and it's internal and external conduct will eventually receive international attention. In any case the Latin Americas will generally favor the leftist locals over the right-wing ruling class English or the drug criminals from Mexico.

Something is certain to happen, at least if external forces do not "adjust" matters, and it likely will not be a nice thing to watch.

Thank you for the explanation. I will keep a closer eye out for news from the area now that I have a better understanding.

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RE: The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/12/2013 12:45:16 AM

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Congratulations to the Guatemalan people on dealing with their own genocidal despot.

I believe this a world first, where a people have placed those responsible for genocide against the citizens of a State on trial, given them a fair trial and a just sentence upon being found guilty. All done in the full view of the world's media to ensure justice was done in a fair and open manner.

I hope other countries will follow this lead. This is the best way for a people to make the guilty account for their crimes, and opens the way for Guatemalans to begin healing the scars of their history.

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RE: The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/14/2013 3:33:31 AM

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"In a historic verdict, former U.S.-backed Guatemalan dictator Efraín Ríos Montt has been sentenced to 80 years in prison after being found guilty of genocide and crimes against humanity. Ríos Montt was convicted of overseeing the slaughter of more than 1,700 people in Guatemala’s Ixil region after seizing power in 1982. The ruling marks the first time a former head of state had been found guilty of genocide in his own country.

The judge in the case has instructed prosecutors to launch an immediate investigation of "all others" connected to the crimes. Guatemalan President Otto Pérez Molina was among those implicated during the trial’s testimony after having served as a regional commander under Ríos Montt’s regime., "

The article and accompanying video suggest that Guatemala's current President, and many US officials who 'supported' the regime and trained the Gautemalan military, which included the death squads, are implicated in the genocide.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34921.htm

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RE: The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/14/2013 10:50:47 AM

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The article and accompanying video suggest that Guatemala's current President, and many US officials who 'supported' the regime and trained the Gautemalan military, which included the death squads, are implicated in the genocide.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34921.htm

I listened to the excuses made in the interview by the current president. It is not a new story. Similar to the dismissal of collateral damage in vietnam, palestine, iraq, the US drone program in Yemen, Pakistan, etc. The villagers are on the side of the insurgents or are unlucky to be in the wrong place when a strike occurs. There is a hint of truth in that. But, when the deaths of innocents occur in such large numbers the line is crossed into mass murder. The United States should never have been involved in Latin America . . . but we were always involved and the moreso after the success of Fidel Castro. Waiting to hear from El Salvador and Hondourus. It is shameful.

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RE: The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/14/2013 8:57:36 PM

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It is certain Molina will face a judge when he leaves the presidency, barring a coup, which even a combination of the Israelis, the United States and the English cannot orchestrate at this point.

He is not the only one.

And these corporate Yankee tools are fortunate it is not the climate of a century ago or they would be taken out and shot as a proper reward for their conduct, regardless of what people here usually think of death sentences.

Montt has his appeals which will certainly drag out until his death ends them.

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RE: The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/15/2013 5:33:47 AM

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As a result of the Casta Wars Mexico, with the aid of the English and the United States, seized the Yucatan and also subjugated the Maya in southern Mexico. The English were rewarded with the Maya territory now called Belize.

Caste War of Yucatán

After that war the English had their British Honduras (Belize) of the Maya, many of whose homeland was there, while the Mexicans had the Mayan lands in Southern Mexico and the Yucatan. The Yankees then started their corporate and military imperialism, the times of "banana republics."

Your point about Belize is incorrect, as is your assertion Britain helped Mexico during the Caste Wars. During the conflict many Mayans fled from Yucatan into Belize. I agree with your points about Ashcroft in your other post though. he has fallen from grace here and many, myself included, think he is no more than a crook. Since his fall out with the Conservatives I suspect his next move will be a large donation to the Labour party.

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RE: The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/15/2013 8:54:25 AM

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Take you argument up with your own English historians over the English involvement in the Casta Wars, and as for Belize, keep whistling in the dark, your colony is a rapidly becoming a narco-state, Lord Ashcroft is merely an example, he has a number of his fellow English similarly engaged as peers engaged in similar conduct.

When your Queen's governor-general's chauffeur is detected using the official vehicle to unload cocaine off aircraft, you can fairly claim the government is corrupt.

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RE: The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/15/2013 4:11:59 PM

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Take you argument up with your own English historians over the English involvement in the Casta Wars, and as for Belize, keep whistling in the dark, your colony is a rapidly becoming a narco-state, Lord Ashcroft is merely an example, he has a number of his fellow English similarly engaged as peers engaged in similar conduct.

When your Queen's governor-general's chauffeur is detected using the official vehicle to unload cocaine off aircraft, you can fairly claim the government is corrupt.

My bad for pointing out the contents of your own link.

Yep a chauffeur in Belize is caught smuggling cocaine, those damn English must all be to blame.

Do you know how stupid your whiney arsed posts are starting to sound ?

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RE: The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/15/2013 5:00:49 PM

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The Mariscal-Spencer Treaty between Mexico and England in 1893 is public domain, any who want can read its terms,, and if you don't like the things happening in Belize, especially as the result of changes in Guatemala perhaps England can give the place back to the Maya you ethnically cleansed the place of, and you would no longer hear about your Viceroy's driver using the official limousine and the "palace guard" to take delivery of a planeload of cocaine by the expedient of blocking a main roadway for use a landing strip.

If Obama's driver was caught red handed used the president's limousine to collect cocaine and had the Secret Service as footmen in this endeavor it would be international headline news.

I certainly can post other interesting things which occur in Lord Ashcroft's little duchy if it would serve to further educate you.

As I noted the emergence of the Maya running their own core country again will have ill effects for those occupying Mayan lands and those lands occupied include Mexico and Belize. Already Maya have openly occupied parts of Belize. It was their country before Jesus was born. And the Zetas and the Mara's are having fine time, I see the Queen is even paying them millions of USD as tribute er "salary" (cleverly using US drug war money instead of their own, which has irked the United States.)

If things don't change, your colony will feature in the news, even more than it has recently, and not in good ways.

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RE: The Criminal Efriam Rios Montt found Guilty - 5/15/2013 5:04:47 PM

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fucking laughable....... I cant possibly comment further.

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