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ORIGINAL: Kana
It is?

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Only if you have an aversion to close spaces, like prison cells.

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: GoddessLily6

This was not BDSM. BDSM is about being safe and consensual

It is?

I dunno-not everyone follows SSC ya know...

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Well, you and I will get along just great! I totally agree with you. There are some here who are constantly chanting about how every kink is ok, as long as both parties consent. I call bullshit every time.

The problem with cases like this is that it IS about BDSM in a sense. Now before everyone goes ballistic, let me explain.

Very often the perpetrators of these things have BDSM type fantasies. However, they also have a little something wrong in the head, so they don't understand the consent part. For them, it most definitely often starts with them reading or seeing BDSM photos and literature. Then something snaps, and that's where things go wrong.

So in a way, it is more like the whole, "your kink isn't my kink...." that everyone always goes on about. The big difference is that it is because it is not done correctly (via kidnapping/abuse and often death), it is something that those who participate using the SSC and RACK principles, it is something they don't understand when they fail to add the psychological issues to it.

Now I'm not saying that it is "ok" in any way, shape or form. What I'm saying is that trying to say that BDSM has nothing to do with it would simply not be accurate. The ACTS are BDSM based, they are just one sided, and of course, illegal.

Let the bitching about what I said commence. But please try to remember the psychological component here, and think about all the kinks that are not simply dangerous, but unhealthy, like the death kinks, the forced anorexia kinks, etc. They are messed up as well, but many of you have no problem because these people "consent," even though the reality is that they are lacking the mental capacity to do so because they are seeking very unhealthy things.

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ORIGINAL: commander63

this creep in ohio just put the case of getting bdsm out of the back room back about 50 years
eventually bdsm will be just as accepted by the main society just like husband and wife or gay relationship is but this act by the ass hole just put it back 50 yeasrs or so

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Nobody's talking about trite Second Life slogans like SSC, this is about the consequences of kidnapping and hurting people... and whether you agree or not, the courts take a very dim view of non-consensual, and unsafe actions.

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Only if you have an aversion to close spaces, like prison cells.

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: GoddessLily6

This was not BDSM. BDSM is about being safe and consensual

It is?

I dunno-not everyone follows SSC ya know...

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Nobody's talking about trite Second Life slogans like SSC, this is about the consequences of kidnapping and hurting people... and whether you agree or not, the courts take a very dim view of non-consensual, and unsafe actions.

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Only if you have an aversion to close spaces, like prison cells.

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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ORIGINAL: GoddessLily6

This was not BDSM. BDSM is about being safe and consensual

It is?

I dunno-not everyone follows SSC ya know...

Hmmmmm
I made a comment about a specific assertion made.
I didn't open up into the wider perspective on this case.
In this instance, the poster made a flat statement that BDSM is sane and consensual. To which I asked, is it?
Because for lots of people, it's not. They don't play SSC. That's a choice they make/made/continue to make, walking in with open minds and knowing full well what's involved in their decision.
That's what I was commenting on, because the assertion, it's simply false.

That said, I gotta say, there's a whole lotta folk who have fantasies close to this scenario. I mean, how common are kidnap fantasies, or people who think about being abducted and forced to serve in some foreign harem, all sorts of similar stuff? The tall dark handsome, somewhat cruel stranger who accost a lady, sweeps her off her feet, and takes her is practically a blueprint for manufacturing wet pussies.
The same hold true from the other side of the kneel.
Not to mention the keeping them shackled in chains, walking them on leashes in the backyard at night, caging the victims, yeah-I'm sure those sorts of events never figure into a BDSM scene or wet dream.
I dunno if this is BDSM or not, but it certainly has BDSM elements and strong overtones.
Now, there's a line between play/fantasy and reality which this cat obviously had no clue about, or completely lost sight of somewhere along the way, but to think that the common man on the street (How's it playing in Peoria-remember those days?) isn't gonna see S/M overtones is ridiculous. of course it has strong overtones of that.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

GL6 never said that BDSM is *sane* and consensual. They said it was *safe* and consensual.

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This was not BDSM. BDSM is about being safe and consensual

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Did you think Hitler was living a BDSM fantasy?

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ORIGINAL: Kana
They don't play SSC. That's a choice they make/made/continue to make, walking in with open minds and knowing full well what's involved in their decision.
That's what I was commenting on, because the assertion, it's simply false.