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The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish community - 5/24/2013 6:42:21 PM

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http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5

I have been trying to read the news DSM-5,bit's and piece's at a time.The news DSM does seem to deal with BDSM issues in more detail.I am curious what people here on Collarchat think of the new DSM-5?Is it going to help or hurt the BDSM community?I think the new DSM goes into more details about certain sexual disorders.The impression I have is that fetish play is okay,as long as it doesn't impair someone's day to day life.

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/24/2013 6:48:17 PM

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/sexual-fetishes-dsm-v_n_3008421.html

This link provides better details about Fetishes and the new DSM-5

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/24/2013 6:54:28 PM

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My recollection is that's what IV said.

But it's the only practical way to judge anything. Since how do you decide how much studying Zappo's new styles is normal fashionista behavior vs how much is an obsession?

I read the changes to bipolar disorder. It just made official what psychiatrists have done for years. Adding NOS to a mixed states II.

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/24/2013 7:04:46 PM

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There are some mild differences I've noticed between the DSM-IV and the DSM-5.Naturally for me,the Adult ADD was the first thing that caught my attention.The old DSM's didn't recognize ADD in Adults.They only treated ADD in kids back then.Strattera is the only medication that has been approved by the FDA for Adult ADD.I do hope this change in the DSM will help to bring about better treatments.

Other than a few minor differences like that,the rest of the DSM-5 is pretty much like the DSM-IV,with some minor changes here and there.

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/24/2013 9:25:52 PM

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I really don't think it is going to make any more or less difference than in recent years.

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/24/2013 9:42:01 PM

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It will make big changes eventually. Especial in the way wa all look at and define paraphilias vs paraphilic disorders. For example, being a sadist, a sexual sadist is no longer one of the big 8 paraphilias. Therefore, I cannot get insurance to pay for curing my sexual sadism since it is no longer a disorder (not that I would want to).

Just as with homosexuality being removed from the DSM long ago, personal changes will be felt soon, medical perspectives will follow and eventually, slowly, society will follow. I would expect that in 20 or 30 years, like gay marriages, you will see voting on BDSM marriages to recognize and give tax breaks to couples bonded in the leather lifestyle.

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/25/2013 1:32:56 AM

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It will make big changes eventually. Especial in the way wa all look at and define paraphilias vs paraphilic disorders. For example, being a sadist, a sexual sadist is no longer one of the big 8 paraphilias. Therefore, I cannot get insurance to pay for curing my sexual sadism since it is no longer a disorder (not that I would want to).

Just as with homosexuality being removed from the DSM long ago, personal changes will be felt soon, medical perspectives will follow and eventually, slowly, society will follow. I would expect that in 20 or 30 years, like gay marriages, you will see voting on BDSM marriages to recognize and give tax breaks to couples bonded in the leather lifestyle.

I have to disagree there. While everyone is entitled to have some kind of commitment ceremony, kinky or not, we will never see such a vote. There is and never will be a need for it. BDSM couples can and do legally get married, and soon the homosexual couples who are into BDSM will have that same right.

Since you speak of "couples,' there are only three possible mixes: male/female, male/male, female/female. If marriage is legal for all those combinations, why should a commitment ceremony suddenly provide tax breaks? And why should BDSM couples be entitled to something people simply co-habitating are not?

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/25/2013 3:58:13 AM

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The thing about straight D/s relationship is that men and women can clearly already get legally married.Just replace the collar with a wedding ring,they are basically the same thing anyways,lol!

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/25/2013 7:14:55 AM

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It doesn't mean anything at all to me.

I'm in a happy, healthy, stable relationship. That's all that matters to me.

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/28/2013 1:19:30 PM

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quote:

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It will make big changes eventually. Especial in the way wa all look at and define paraphilias vs paraphilic disorders. For example, being a sadist, a sexual sadist is no longer one of the big 8 paraphilias. Therefore, I cannot get insurance to pay for curing my sexual sadism since it is no longer a disorder (not that I would want to).

Just as with homosexuality being removed from the DSM long ago, personal changes will be felt soon, medical perspectives will follow and eventually, slowly, society will follow. I would expect that in 20 or 30 years, like gay marriages, you will see voting on BDSM marriages to recognize and give tax breaks to couples bonded in the leather lifestyle.

I have to disagree there. While everyone is entitled to have some kind of commitment ceremony, kinky or not, we will never see such a vote. There is and never will be a need for it. BDSM couples can and do legally get married, and soon the homosexual couples who are into BDSM will have that same right.

Since you speak of "couples,' there are only three possible mixes: male/female, male/male, female/female. If marriage is legal for all those combinations, why should a commitment ceremony suddenly provide tax breaks? And why should BDSM couples be entitled to something people simply co-habitating are not?

I see your point, there is at least some alternative for the BDSM couples where there was no alternative for the gay couples. Good point, thank you for the reply.

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/28/2013 2:48:52 PM

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quote:

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My recollection is that's what IV said.

It's been that way for awhile. The basic view is that if you're so locked into it that it stops you from functioning or if it's the only way for you to achieve pleasure, then it needs to be examined. Otherwise, fine.

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/28/2013 3:01:56 PM

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The DSM-..any edition, is meant to be used as a diagnostic tool for health providers. It's not exactly casual reading. As someone who has worked in mental health, I think it's an okay thing to have them, especially where they are not being labeled as a mental illness. In my work, if I ever saw a fetish code, or paraphilia code, I took it off the chart. Unless it involved daily impairment on daily functioning, it didn't need to be there. Unless it was very pertinent, the label didn't need to be there. What do we think we we see a code for Bi-polar? Right. We make and pass judgments before we even know them.

If we are going to characterize sexual behavior, then why not a code for plain old vanilla, too? Unless someone has a serious mental health issue that is dangerous to society, I don't see the need to put the label there, but if it is... eh. I make no plans to use the label unless needed for some reason when I go back to work. Which I may, since I may choose to specialize in Sexuality. For me, it would be a tool to help characterize someone, not to label as mentally ill.

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/29/2013 3:55:38 AM

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@ResidentSadist

Aha there's a legislation for cohabit couples in your area also.
We've had that one for years, and it did include the gay community as well.
In legal terms it is almost the same, with a distinction in the cause of death and inheritance.

The odd thing from my perspective is that the Gay continued to push for actual marriage.
Whereas many involved in BDSM consider collaring not only a counterpart to marriage, but a replacement.
With the cohabit legislation in effect, it have made formal marriage even more rare between BDSM couples.

And as for the counterpart to this DSM in my country, had us BDSM people removed a couple of years ago.
So one can just hope that the USA eventually will come to the realization that the label thrown at us is quite in error.

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/29/2013 4:53:33 AM

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Your quite welcome. I have a good deal of respect for you based on years of reading your posts, so your comment was meaningful to me.

Hopefully, the current decision being made by the Supreme Court will cause a snowball effect in the states. The reality is that those who are against it shouldn't really have a say. After all, if they don't like it, they don't need to marry a homosexual, right?

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The thing about straight D/s relationship is that men and women can clearly already get legally married.Just replace the collar with a wedding ring,they are basically the same thing anyways,lol!

Charles, that is very possible now. It is not uncommon for people to have what I guess you can term "alternative" wedding ceremonies. The BDSM aspect could easily be covered in the vows, as can the collaring. I'm sure there are ordained ministers happy to provide the service. After all, one can be ordained via the internet, so anyone can really do it.

Just like a couple having a "commitment ceremony," that's really all a collaring ceremony is right now, isn't it, a "commitment ceremony"? Should a couple want to have the legal protections, then a collaring ceremony could legitimately be adjusted accordingly. Although the concept of the s-type not being permitted to leave the relationship and such would not be legal, so that should be kept in mind for any BDSM wedding ceremony.

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/30/2013 1:56:51 PM

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I will say,I do hate having ADD. I really wish it was something I could do without,especially when I misplace my drivers licenses and I really need it. Before the DSM-5 finally realized that Adults do have ADD,I would have some Doctors and Therapists tell me that I couldn't have Adult ADD because kids outgrow ADD. That was an unfortunate waste of my time and well being,because I couldn't get the help I really needed. It wasn't until I came across a real Doctor,who did a real evaluation ,(not 30 minutes and the Dr. has all the answers). After having a very real evaluation and he felt I had ADD.I was on Strattera and that has been a miracle drug for me. I was finally able to concentrate enough to get my GED and my Drivers License. I need this medication. When it has such a positive impact on my life and my quality of life, its something I truly need.

I am glad the DSM-5 has finally accepted Adult ADD as the very real disorder that it is. I hope this provides better treatment. As much I as love Strattera, at $200 a prescription without insurance, it becomes an issue. Theres no cheap alternative out yet,that I am aware of. I await that day. Until then though,I do what I have to do.

I finally told my Mistress the other day that I do have ADD. I was nervous about telling her but I knew I had to. Sometimes,when she gives me an order, I may not grasp her order at first. Its not intentional. Even though I take meds for ADD,its still no cure. Without the pill, I am really lost. Anyways,point is,I wanted to explain to her that I didn't mean to ignore her on purpose and I told her I do have ADD. She says that's fine and that she has ADD herself and gets help. I did feel very relieved by that because I now know she understands. I don't know why I didn't mention this to her before. I guess I didn't think it was that big of a deal. But for me.ADD is very real and I am glad that the DSM-5 finally realizes that.Thats the biggest difference for me between the new DSM-5 and the DSM's of the past.

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RE: The new DSM-5 and what it mean's for the Fetish com... - 5/30/2013 2:14:10 PM

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Where I live,Pinellas County,FL did just recently approve Domestic Partnership a few months ago for both gay and straight couples. While its not marriage, it does provide some of the benefits and rights of a married couple. Like going to be able to see your loved one in the hospital and things like that. A D/s couple of any sexual orientation can take advantage of something like that. Plus it gives straight couples who may not want to marry, a legal outlet to still have rights as a couple without all the legality that goes with any marriage.

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