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RE: Baby Boomers and the crime rate - 6/2/2013 9:50:12 PM   
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Have at it - http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/additional-ucr-publications/age_race_arrest93-01.pdf


Which is when the decline started. Show us before.

And again, you are basing this on arrests only. What about false arrests, mistaken identities and those never arrested.

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RE: Baby Boomers and the crime rate - 6/2/2013 9:50:16 PM   
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I see. The young men and women were falsely accused arrested and "baby boomers" actually were responsible for the crimes these young men were accused of.


Straw man nobody said that.

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RE: Baby Boomers and the crime rate - 6/2/2013 9:54:10 PM   
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Unlikely.....the people pushing drugs are generally young, the life expectancy is pretty short, and most of them fall into the 18-24 year old category. So in the early 80s, you might have had some at the tail end of the baby boom (1960-1964), but by the time the drug wars really heated up, in the late 80's and 90's, you were dealing with gen x.


1964 would have been 18 in 1982.

If you reference back to the chart here http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4458412

You will see many of those in the "boomer" years were between 5 and 15 in 1970. By 1980, they were between 15 and 25... the target group we are discussing here.

By 1990, they were between 25 and 35. If a generation grows up with the violence that the boomer generation got into, they will continue that violence up to a later age.

In 1947, 3.8 million babies came into the world and there were 3.9 million in 1952. Over 4 million babies were born each year from 1954 until the end of the boom in 1964. At that time, they were over 40 percent of the population in the United States.

http://www.babyboomermedia.com/facts-about-baby-boomers/#ixzz2V7pWQAKb

Between 1970 and 1990, violent crime saw upward mobility... in line with the aging of 40% of the population.

I have seen studies that indicate that up to about 35 the crime rate is higher than for the general. Still they concur that 18-25 is the worst.

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RE: Baby Boomers and the crime rate - 6/2/2013 9:57:58 PM   
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I have seen studies that indicate that up to about 35 the crime rate is higher than for the general. Still they concur that 18-25 is the worst.


Something I have never denied. Yet the early 90's saw a very violent time in our history as well...and they werent all teenagers involved.

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RE: Baby Boomers and the crime rate - 6/2/2013 10:01:00 PM   
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I have seen studies that indicate that up to about 35 the crime rate is higher than for the general. Still they concur that 18-25 is the worst.


Something I have never denied. Yet the early 90's saw a very violent time in our history as well...and they werent all teenagers involved.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, sorry if it appeared I was, merely making the point to the slower among us that criminals do not magically reform on their 26th birthday. (And I know that you never suggested anything like that)

There is seldom a single answer to a problem but I agree that demographics answer most of it.

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RE: Baby Boomers and the crime rate - 6/2/2013 10:06:50 PM   
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A majority of crimes worldwide, save fraud/embezzlement crimes of the type you call "white collar" is committed by those in the 18-25 year cohort.

here is a sample from the UK, though similar graphs are available worldwide

Offenders as a percentage of the population by age, 2006, England and Wales -



Similar graphs in English show the same principle in Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, and also ones like them are seen from France, Spain, Germany, etc.

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RE: Baby Boomers and the crime rate - 6/2/2013 10:09:20 PM   
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There is seldom a single answer to a problem but I agree that demographics answer most of it.


Which is pretty much my point. Take a population explosion to 40% of the population concentrated in a small age bracket and their problems of that age group will be magnified and reflected in the data.

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RE: Baby Boomers and the crime rate - 6/2/2013 10:10:10 PM   
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There is seldom a single answer to a problem but I agree that demographics answer most of it.


Which is pretty much my point. Take a population explosion to 40% of the population concentrated in a small age bracket and their problems of that age group will be magnified and reflected in the data.

Absolutly

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RE: Baby Boomers and the crime rate - 6/2/2013 10:15:58 PM   
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And yet the average age of an offender

offenders fell from 29.6 years in 1980 to 26.4 years in 1994, then increased to 28.8 years in 2008

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Now this is just homicides.

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A majority of crimes worldwide, save fraud/embezzlement crimes of the type you call "white collar" is committed by those in the 18-25 year cohort.

here is a sample from the UK, though similar graphs are available worldwide

Offenders as a percentage of the population by age, 2006, England and Wales -


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313942/UK-Peace-Index-Rate-murders-violent-crime-falling-faster-Western-Europe.html

Their homicide rate remained relatively stable. So its all other "violent crimes". Do you realize they include threats only as a violent crime? Its extremely hard to compare countries were the definitions for terms vary so much.

Do you believe the UK didnt have a boom as well?





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RE: Baby Boomers and the crime rate - 6/2/2013 10:18:38 PM   
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Based on this model, baby boom years for other countries regarded for having a baby boom are as follows

France 1946–1974
United Kingdom 1946–1974
Finland 1945–1950
Germany 1955-1967
Sweden 1946–1952
Denmark 1946–1950
Netherlands 1946–1972
Ireland 1946–1982
Hungary 1946-1957
Iceland 1946–1969
New Zealand 1946–1961
Australia 1946–1961

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_baby_boom

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RE: Baby Boomers and the crime rate - 6/3/2013 7:16:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Still they concur that 18-25 is the worst.

they (the experts) say now that the brain is still developing until the mid-20s.. so perhaps that is another reason why that age range is the worst..

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RE: Baby Boomers and the crime rate - 6/3/2013 7:24:36 AM   
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much was attributed to to changes in policing methods, pressure pointing troubled areas, and also the broken window theory of policing, i.e instead of concentrating on high level dealers and ignoring low level crimes, they pressure pointed even low level crimes and found, for example, that pulling people for low level crimes resulted in getting guns off the streets and so forth.

that is my observation of how policing is done still today.. they cruize around looking for people to harass.. er.. I mean ask what the person is doing.. some are probably those doing low level crimes but some are just innocent schmucks being harassed.. I personally dont much care for that "police state" mentality.. but I guess it works for em & its what Americans want (until they are the ones being stopped).. it just makes for a way of living i dont want..

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