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descrite -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 10:49:33 AM)

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

$4K is not enough money to make non-prostitute do something they don't want to do, sexually. Working a minimum-wage job part time (say, fast food), this debt could be paid off in less than six months.

You have been fed a story by someone having sex games. You were supposed to play a role. Bringing in law enforcement might really fuck up someone's life.

Don't be (more of) an ass.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 11:03:10 AM)

FR~

I've read the whole thing several times and I still can't make any sense of it at all.
It's either an elaborate fantasy that isn't very well thought out or it's a set-up that she is fully in on from the outset.

Either way, it's NOT your problem!
I think Athena has said it well - you are more on an ego trip as a hero figure than anything else.
Anyone else with half a brain cell wouldn't have gone there in the first place and, upon seeing the scene, would have walked away.

Sorry OP, the whole storyline is full of shit and unbelievable.



punisher440 -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 11:23:20 AM)

FR

OP,like several of the others I still can't wrap my mind around parts of this drama.I know of no one that would force someone to do what this woman supposedly did and not recover some of the $4000 the guy is supposedly out.I doubt the guy is getting his jollies by not recovering his money.This tale has more holes than a chunk of swiss cheese but smells like limburger.I am inclined to think this is just kinky play for her and maybe her partner and since you didn't run away before you met her,maybe now is the time to beat feet and chalk this up as a learning experience and move on.



theshytype -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 11:43:59 AM)

I agree with what Lizi wrote.

I'm sorry, but I believe that this sounds too much to be true. Either you, her, or the third party have to be fabricating at least some detail.

I have reread your other thread about the ick factor and your final comment there doesn't really match your OP here. Not to me, at least. There, it sounded like it was a great time without issues. Here, you make it sound like there were many red flags and it didn't go as great as originally planned...but ended well.

I just don't really understand any of it.

If any or all of this is true, I'd run away from the situation and girl.



RochesterDomme -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 2:07:04 PM)

If this is true, I'm seeing a text or call from her claiming "help me, the guy says you were supposed to pay me". "Now I need x dollars or they are going to (insert evil deed her) to me or my son. I see it as a set-up to get money and then more money from you.



AllisonWilder -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 2:33:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllisonWilder

So you didn't actually rape her, but you were planning to and you think that's okay? Just because you 'couldn't get it up' doesn't make things okay. It's still attempted rape. I'm just completely fucking baffled about you wanting to save her but turning up to try to rape her anyway. Why not just talk to her before you tried to put your penis in her? Common sense, get some.



I really was not planning on raping her!! My comments about my dick not being hard... was to make certain it was clear that I could not even do this! I seriously could not get it up... even if I had tried. So this was frustrating for me. The blind folding part.. is about the size of the rape scene. !! along with me getting her to stand against the Wall like I did. Actually extremely short lived rape scene if you could call it rape!! More like a captive scene... followed by making her put hands on walls.

The Dudes which set this up... Make it very clear for her to Obey whoever showed up!! She was willing to Obey and did just that!! So it's a crazy consent game anyways. Wierd.



In this response to me you said "I seriously could not get it up... even if I had tried." However, in this other post you said, "I myself could not get my Dick up to save my life.. even though I tried."


OP, you appear to have contradicted yourself. I imagine you'll play it off as a typo, but I think you're a liar.





angelikaJ -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 3:19:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: theshytype

I agree with what Lizi wrote.

I'm sorry, but I believe that this sounds too much to be true. Either you, her, or the third party have to be fabricating at least some detail.

I have reread your other thread about the ick factor and your final comment there doesn't really match your OP here. Not to me, at least. There, it sounded like it was a great time without issues. Here, you make it sound like there were many red flags and it didn't go as great as originally planned...but ended well.

I just don't really understand any of it.

If any or all of this is true, I'd run away from the situation and girl.


To the OP:
Given the flaming contradictions between this thread and the unwashed one, I don't know whether to think you are a major fabricator, or have a mood or thought disorder.

I would run away from you.



Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 3:33:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllisonWilder


quote:

ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllisonWilder

So you didn't actually rape her, but you were planning to and you think that's okay? Just because you 'couldn't get it up' doesn't make things okay. It's still attempted rape. I'm just completely fucking baffled about you wanting to save her but turning up to try to rape her anyway. Why not just talk to her before you tried to put your penis in her? Common sense, get some.



I really was not planning on raping her!! My comments about my dick not being hard... was to make certain it was clear that I could not even do this! I seriously could not get it up... even if I had tried. So this was frustrating for me. The blind folding part.. is about the size of the rape scene. !! along with me getting her to stand against the Wall like I did. Actually extremely short lived rape scene if you could call it rape!! More like a captive scene... followed by making her put hands on walls.

The Dudes which set this up... Make it very clear for her to Obey whoever showed up!! She was willing to Obey and did just that!! So it's a crazy consent game anyways. Wierd.



In this response to me you said "I seriously could not get it up... even if I had tried." However, in this other post you said, "I myself could not get my Dick up to save my life.. even though I tried."


OP, you appear to have contradicted yourself. I imagine you'll play it off as a typo, but I think you're a liar.




I not seeing the contradiction here? between


"I seriously could not get it up... even if I had tried."

and

"I myself could not get my Dick up to save my life.. even though I tried."


These both were figurative phrases of speech to express the same damn thing!!








AllisonWilder -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 3:36:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllisonWilder


quote:

ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllisonWilder

So you didn't actually rape her, but you were planning to and you think that's okay? Just because you 'couldn't get it up' doesn't make things okay. It's still attempted rape. I'm just completely fucking baffled about you wanting to save her but turning up to try to rape her anyway. Why not just talk to her before you tried to put your penis in her? Common sense, get some.



I really was not planning on raping her!! My comments about my dick not being hard... was to make certain it was clear that I could not even do this! I seriously could not get it up... even if I had tried. So this was frustrating for me. The blind folding part.. is about the size of the rape scene. !! along with me getting her to stand against the Wall like I did. Actually extremely short lived rape scene if you could call it rape!! More like a captive scene... followed by making her put hands on walls.

The Dudes which set this up... Make it very clear for her to Obey whoever showed up!! She was willing to Obey and did just that!! So it's a crazy consent game anyways. Wierd.



In this response to me you said "I seriously could not get it up... even if I had tried." However, in this other post you said, "I myself could not get my Dick up to save my life.. even though I tried."


OP, you appear to have contradicted yourself. I imagine you'll play it off as a typo, but I think you're a liar.




I not seeing the contradiction here? between


"I seriously could not get it up... even if I had tried."

and

"I myself could not get my Dick up to save my life.. even though I tried."


These both were figurative phrases of speech to express the same damn thing!!









No. One of them says "even if I tried" which indicates that you DID NOT try. The other says "even though I tried" which indicates that you
DID try.



Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 4:15:33 PM)

AllisonWilder,

This experience was and has been difficult for me to mentally fully process.
Because there was previous consent directly from her for Fucking her brains
out on Sunday. Consent to even turn Sunday into a rape scene at the spur
of the moment, if I so desired.

The Wednesday scene, she in all honestly would not have cared if I had
fucked her before the Blindfold came off. I told her I was having a hard
time getting it up and taking her initially. She said to me why? Sex is Sex!

That was her attitude about things.

Also, I suspected there was a chance that this rape scene being set-up
through a third party might have been so she could LIVE OUT a stage rape.
However, all these other strings about it being to Pay off a Debt for some
poor 16 year old girls Drug habit, along with the provision that I was supposed
to seriously Hurt this Girl? That is what literally turned me off.

Big Differences between SUNDAY vs. WED hookup scene.

Even after the blindfold came off on Wednesday, it took me awhile to relax
and be comfortable enough to GET it up!! I seriously was still rather mentally
blown away.

SUNDAY, I would have been banging the HELL out of it. WED was a mind
fuck... even though on WED she was soaking fucking wet. I tried for a moment
to get it up.. work it up... on WED (very true)... just did not happen. I did not
even bother trying any more. Because there was no way in Hell I was going
to be getting it up... with all these Fucked up Strings attached.

So yeah, I did try at one point in time... and it was not naturally going there.
So both cases apply. Bottom line I could not get it up either way.

That blind fold needed to come out, and for her and I to get into conversation.

I wanted this girl to know if was me!! Trust me the sex was so so much more
Amazing afterwards... after I was able to relax and could finally get it up.

Know, and make no mistake... she was WET and would have let Whoever in
the room with her fuck her silly!!!










Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 4:23:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ


quote:

ORIGINAL: theshytype

I agree with what Lizi wrote.

I'm sorry, but I believe that this sounds too much to be true. Either you, her, or the third party have to be fabricating at least some detail.

I have reread your other thread about the ick factor and your final comment there doesn't really match your OP here. Not to me, at least. There, it sounded like it was a great time without issues. Here, you make it sound like there were many red flags and it didn't go as great as originally planned...but ended well.

I just don't really understand any of it.

If any or all of this is true, I'd run away from the situation and girl.


To the OP:
Given the flaming contradictions between this thread and the unwashed one, I don't know whether to think you are a major fabricator, or have a mood or thought disorder.

I would run away from you.



I've not frabricated anything...

The Scent/unwashed business was something she had expressed to me in a previous conversation. The Original CL list. And was also part of the deal with this second CL listing which somebody else set-up. Both cases are true. In regards to my thoughts and moods. It's been a bit of a mind fuck for me... with this extra spin of Her being in debt to somebody for $4,000 as a sexual favor... a drug debt she took on of some 16 year old girl. To which this guy paid off. She just volunteered to serve in that girls place. The other Mind fuck for me, was the condition to Break here down into TEARS really extremely Humiliate her. (to which she had no idea that the dude setting it up wanted)... SO yeah... This really fucked with my Mood and thoughts on it all. (Sorry)




KittyDeVille -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 4:26:28 PM)

Now it is time for the Sesame Street question : what did you learn ?



JstAnotherSub -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 4:34:31 PM)

TAP TAP TAP.....



NuevaVida -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 4:42:26 PM)

I'm writing from my phone so it's too hard to confirm your exact words but didn't you say she was kinda stiff and rigid and not into it which is why you couldn't get it up and stopped? But now you're saying she was soaking and into it?

And on the "unclean" thread she had no idea at all it was coming, but here you said she mentioned wanting a scene like that?

Sorry if I got it wrong but I have to say this all seems very amiss and fucked up. You're all over the charts here dude.

I honestly don't even know what else to say.



KittyDeVille -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 4:47:07 PM)

Being wet isnt consent, in no way shape or form.

I wonder how many women who are slave/sub would engage in a rape phantasy without knowing or having met de 'rapist'.

No matter how much you try to clarify, your roll in it isnt getting more heroic.

The right thing to do was, walk away, stopping contact with the guys and the girl. Not getting in the middle of the turd.



Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 4:52:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

I'm writing from my phone so it's too hard to confirm your exact words but didn't you say she was kinda stiff and rigid and not into it which is why you couldn't get it up and stopped? But now you're saying she was soaking and into it?

And on the "unclean" thread she had no idea at all it was coming, but here you said she mentioned wanting a scene like that?

Sorry if I got it wrong but I have to say this all seems very amiss and fucked up. You're all over the charts here dude.

I honestly don't even know what else to say.



NuevaVida,
I am feeling all messed up and over the charts here girl. The biggest thing which is troubling me, is if she is still wrapped up in some crazy ass $4,000 debt. The dude who set this up wrote me back saying that here Debt as settled... Yet, he turned about around and told me "What makes you think that this all that me and him got out of all this or (Will GET)"... Implying that there is more to come. This Girl seriously did not agree to wanting to be HURT and BROUGHT to TEARS to the levels they excepted me to do!! I turned around and made up a Story that I had done this... just so it would satisfy this SO CALLED DEBT!!

In my mind, is this Bitch still in a world of Trouble with Forced Sexual Prositution? Or was this all just a thing they were in on together to Make certain she Got off on getting a Rape Scene??

Weird...

She wanted to Hook up with me again, and be an on going NSA play deal. However, when I pushed for What really was the truth behind this other business is when she Shut down!!

Hope this makes sense...



Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 4:55:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KittyDeVille

Being wet isnt consent, in no way shape or form.

I wonder how many women who are slave/sub would engage in a rape phantasy without knowing or having met de 'rapist'.

No matter how much you try to clarify, your roll in it isnt getting more heroic.

The right thing to do was, walk away, stopping contact with the guys and the girl. Not getting in the middle of the turd.



Well they had gave me her number to talk to her ahead of time, which I already had...
and Her and I was to supposed to hook up on Sunday! I regret not calling her up and
saying.. Hey I'm one which is comming on SUNDAY. That is a Mistake!! I've been kicking
myself in the ass over.. (Trust me)



lizi -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 4:56:02 PM)

Dude, who hangs out with people that know 16 year olds that have thousand dollar drug habits...? If that is truly part of your normal world then something is wrong.

As far as this women - who takes on debts owed for drug habits and volunteers to pay them off sexually (for a non-family member)? What did this fictitious 16 year old learn except that it's apparently ok to rack up thousands of dollars in debt because someone will be along any time now to fuck in your place?

None of this makes sense. Each time you "explain" something, nothing gets clearer. I'm with Angelika, either you're having us all on, or there is serious shit going on in your head that you are buying this. Your summary on the unwashed thread was not even close to what you've posted on this one.



Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 4:56:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KittyDeVille

Being wet isnt consent, in no way shape or form.

I wonder how many women who are slave/sub would engage in a rape phantasy without knowing or having met de 'rapist'.

No matter how much you try to clarify, your roll in it isnt getting more heroic.

The right thing to do was, walk away, stopping contact with the guys and the girl. Not getting in the middle of the turd.



Also she had Consented for this to Happen with a complete stranger or anybody those guys picked for Wednesday!!
She was prepared for a complete stranger to come fucking use her.



CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: Doing the right thing... (6/4/2013 4:57:44 PM)

The woman decided to take on a drug debt and work it off (on her back) for some pimp? Through copying the action and selling the porno pix/film? (If you weren't a paying customer I don't know how the guy was going to get money back into his pocket unless he gets something else to sell in trade.)

1) WTF??? I would have had a wire on me from the cops and we'd see about this "debt".
2) The woman makes a very poor choice of friends. (The drugs, and LETTING a friend work off her debt in this way.) Her friend needs to handle her own consequences.
3) If the supposed friend was actually family...have her put into some drug rehab place. I'd like to see pimp dude going there telling them that the woman owes him money from the drugs.
4) The woman you met up with, on your very first day together let you meet and play with her little kid??? Huge WTF over that one. (Child endangerment, HELLO.)
5) The dude WANTS her to work for him...please...she is already working for him. He arranged this, didn't he? She is repaying a debt to him, isn't she?
6) You have opened yourself up to blackmail and to scamming.
7) If she is not a scammer, seriously...someone needs to take complete control over her life so she will stop endangering herself (before she earns a Darwin Award).
8) This woman doesn't just have a responsibility to herself anymore, she has a CHILD to think of. This means not doing stupid sh*t to get herself killed or worse. Someone who would put a friend's welfare over their own small child's...IMHO NEEDS to be read the riot act, not coddled.
9) About the second ad. If she is working it off by having the web cam on or pix taken during the scenes, so these can be sold or used for blackmail, then yep, the pimp might be placing ads and making other arrangements and will let her know when and where she needs to show up for her next "job".

As much as we want to, we cannot rescue everybody. Some people are like lemmings. There are agencies to help her if she wants help...and she is choosing to "work off" this "debt" instead of turning to them for help.



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